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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college
For the guys who are successful, the two are not mutually exclusive.
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There are so many variables. Is the stadium gun accurate? Do these guns need periodic calibration to make sure they are accurate? As someone mentioned earlier, most guys throw mid to high 80's. Son's team has a Friday guy that was hitting 95-96 in the 7th inning, but they have an All American Closer who lives 80-82. When the closer is on, he is virtually unhittable. When his control is off, he gets hammered. From what I've seen, the 95-96 guy on son's team can use his velo to get an...
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I should clarify. Not scouts, coaches. I know they want both, but back to the question in this thread...would they rather fix barely missing the zone but throwing hard, or slow it down (which puts you back in the pack) and hitting all your spots?
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I think college coaches want outs. They also want velo, but college coaches arent generally playing the long game; they need immediate results (because they only get 11.7 chances; pro ball has over 70 new guys per team every year). Proball plays the long game. Most college PCs - especially guys whose careers ended in college - dont generally know how to develop pitchers. And college coaches generally are militantly anti-walk. (I still remember my son telling me his pro PC complemented him...
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LSU vs Auburn (they are pretty good btw) both Auburn guys were 91/92, I didn't see the LSU starter but the second LSU guy hit 90, but had a long inning, his next inning was 87/88, third guy was a lefty FB topped out at 83, nest guy was 88/89. LSU had given up and the pitchers were rarely used kids, 13 and 14 appearances, but still.
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My 2019 RHP by my guess is sitting 83-85 (IMO based on last summer and his improvement) . He's had a very nice year and recently a couple of mid-level D1 were out to see him with their radar guns. Cool to see, but no feedback or reaching out afterwards, even though he gave up no runs during his outing. It's very discouraging that we're hearing crickets, even though I've always known he's had to make another jump in velo to be considered mid-D1. I think it's now confirmed for me. Going to a...
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You are delusional if you think you will be recruited (and offered a scholarship) by an SEC school unless you hit 88 - 90 as a junior in HS - or before. Exception would be lefty that has good secondary stuff. SEC schools are already done with 2019 recruiting and are looking at 2020 players now. Here is a real life example : Texas A&M has 16 active pitchers on the current roster. Half of them sit over 90. The other half sit 87 - 89. Almost all can throw 90 if they need too. Only exception...
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Your odds of getting drafted are a lot better than making an SEC roster if you go by the numbers.
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I don’t see this. I’ve seen a lot of guys throwing that might hit 90-91 playing on sec teams.
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My 2018 son, RHP, was 88-90 consistently his Sophomore year. Exactly ZERO schools were interested until he topped 93 the following spring. One of his LHP team mates was 84-87 his Sophomore spring and still to this day has not touched 88 was heavily recruited by SEC schools. What's it mean? There are a lot of RHP's, so you gotta find ways to stand out and seek your fit. LHP's get taken a bit earlier. Fast forward, son had a terrific HS pitching career on/in a mediocre program. It didn't cost...
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Just because you see SEC pitchers getting gunned in games throwing 85-86 doesn't mean that is the hardest they can throw. If you max out at 85-86, does that mean you can consistently cruise at your max velocity for multiple innings while moving the ball and throwing strikes? Good luck convincing SEC coaches of that.
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The numbers I speak of are the 1200 that get drafted vs. the maybe 120 that make an SEC roster. In other words, if you are good enough to play for the SEC there is a real good chance you have at least had conversations with a scout to determine draft-ability.
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By “rarely” you mean that he does touch 90. Don’t get me wrong, I think that there is too much emphasis on velocity and not enough on getting hitters out. But high velo is what gets you in the door. And as someone else so accurately said earlier in this thread “for the guys that are successful the 2 (velo & outs) are not mutually exclusive.”
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For recruiting purposes, I think there is a distinction between a number that a kid has touched in a game, and a number that is "verified." (The college coach has seen it with his own eyes, or PG or PBR or another independent party has recorded and published it). The former isn't terribly important for recruiting.
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Isn't that true of every conference? The number drafted in a year (1200) is always far greater than the number of players at the conference in a specific class.
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Agreed. And if coach believes there is still "projection remaining" he can safely bank on the former. But if he believes player is at end of physical development, with little or no projection remaining, then most likely will not venture beyond the latter (the "verified").
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Well, of course it has to be a verifiable number, not some random guy at a local HS/youth game.
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Yeah, what I meant is, even if it's not some random guy . . . Example: son's HS team guns its varsity pitchers in all games. 2019 pitcher touches 90 in a winter game, recorded by the high school on its Stalker. That doesn't mean much -- during the quiet period, no college coaches there, not verified by a third party . . . just doesn't mean a lot because, um, let's just say there is rampant exaggeration of velo in HS baseball so reports like that are treated with skepticism (and rightly so)
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Here we go again..... UCLA vs OSU both RHPs, clearly not either teams top guys. UCLA kid (clearly can pitch) top 86. OSU kid relief pitcher same about 85-86. Both kids on PG are listed at 91. Why the huge disconnect?
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Early showcase season max velocity versus fatigued end of season cruising velocity. It also may be ironing out mechanics and getting better movement on the ball may have decreased velocity.
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Guys humped it up for the guns at the events while really only sitting 84-86, maybe even a little lower. Don't believe people around here that you can't pitch D1 or "Won't get recruited" if you don't consistently hit 90. Either posters on this site don't know what they are talking about, or power 5 coaches don't know what they are doing. To be the number 1 stud at top power five schools you will likely be over 90. To be a decent pitcher at power 5 requires 84-86, good command and a good ...
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I don't really understand the disconnect. If you top out at 85-86 is will be exceedingly difficult to be recruited to a Power 5 team. Because you won't cruise in games at your top velocity. It doesn't matter what the gun says at games. At D1 bigtime games you are seeing guys who can throw 88-92 who cruise at lower speeds.
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Not trying to be a smart-ass.... ironing out mechanics and getting better movement may have decreased velocity... in English this tells me they were throwing as hard as they could and couldn't get anywhere near the strike zone so they had to slow down and actually pitch to throw strikes. And when they did get lucky enough to throw a strike with all their might the pitchwas so straight and flat it got tattooed. So they had to slow down again make the ball move to really get hitters out.
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Well, listen to people on here and they will tell you that cruising 85-86 makes a guy a chump. Some might tell you that it would be exceedingly hard to get recruited to a Power 5 team cruising 85-86. My point is that I am not so sure the know it alls know all they would like to think they know. Don't get me wrong, throwing 90+ is great, especially with command and good off speed. I just have seen that it is not an absolute for pitching SEC baseball. Not by a long shot.
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I am at the D2 JuCo World Series in Enid, Oklahoma watching a game right now. The starting pitcher for NOC -Enid has been sitting 89-91 the entire game and has hit 93 at least a handful of times. He is a freshman and is NOC-Enid’s #3 starter. As a RHP that is pretty much what it takes to be a guy that matters in the SEC. There are plenty of really good hard throwing RHPs. They are all over the baseball landscape. The “know it alls” that you refer to are us guys that scout, recruit, and coach...
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But don't most of the kids that go the juco route have grade issues that preclude them from getting into 4 year schools? And most are trying to get drafted right away, so they don't want to go to a 4 year univ and wait to become draft eligible.
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Most? I don't think so. I'm not a know it all, but there are plenty with grade issues, but the kids who do well academically in Juco then qualify to get into 4 year schools. I've seen it happen plenty of times. Unfortunately, I've also seen kids whose academic troubles continue, so they can't play in Juco either. There are also many who want to be drafted, like you say, but many more who were overlooked during recruiting, whether because they were late bloomers or didn't get themselves in...
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There are anecdotes on both sides. I was at a Big West game this year and the RHP closer for one team was touching 95 and the RHP reliever for the other team touched 86 once. But let's not kid ourselves -- the first pitcher was a lot better! ;-)
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The max number on the PG website is from when the pitcher aired out his fastball. It doesn’t matter if it was a strike or not. It doesn't matter if it was straight as an arrow and hit 450 feet. All the pitcher was trying to accomplish was max velocity in a showcase setting. It’s a number to show a scout/coach what kind of tools he can expect to work with. My son was moved from short to center in high school and his travel team by post soph summer. In individual showcase drills he did both...
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Re: cruising 85/86 mph Ten years ago I was chatting with a Phillies scout at an A10 game. It was obvious he was there to see the 90+ closer. But he was there occassionally gunning every pitcher. I asked him the average cruising speed in the A10. Ten years ago it was mid 80’s in the A10. No way, no how is the typical P5 pitcher throwing mid 80’s. There are some P5s cruising mid 80’s. All the 90+ pitchers got their shot before these guys.
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See this is where I find the recruiting stuff confusing with my son. I agree a lot of the players I've seen throw a higher top speed than crushing speed but my son doesn't. Last summer his highest velocity was 83. He got that at two showcases and in two games there was a gun at. One of the games they recorded every pitch. Pitch 1 was 83 and pitch 100 was 83. He hit 83 30 something times. His final pitch number 118 was 82. So he does sit at his top velo. Which worries me since velocity is so...
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Pitchers are athletes first. Athletic training such as speed and agility will only help pitchers. As far as what to do to train....Google speed and agility trainers in your area and have a conversation with them.
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Hi Matt! Welcome. If looking for workout guidance for pitchers, follow Eric Cressey on twitter. For my son, also a youth pitcher, I got him the https://highperformancehandbook.com/ and he has been following the workout for about a year and a half. Included are workouts, nutrition, videos of his specific exercises. He is big into shoulder and arm health. Nothing wrong with sprinting. Focus on the start. Here is a drill. Go to a football field. Think of 100 yds as an inning. Do ten 10 yd...
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My son and some of his teammates have just started speed and agility training/weights, 3-4 times a week, focusing on explosiveness. All have seen velocity increases as a result. One sophomore was at 79-80 and has just hit 86 in four months and has gained 12-15lbs. My son hasn’t thrown yet for a gun (took off all fall) but I’m really hoping he got some mph too
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If he is not doing so already, have him play another sport in addition to baseball. Son played 3 sports until high school, then 2 until he graduated.
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103mph Exit Velocity and college recruiting
My 2021 Grandson wants to play D1 Baseball. He’s a GPA: 3.5 Student, 6’3”/210 Very athletic and plays OF/1B. We’ve been told his Metrics are outstanding. Exit Velocity: 103mph and is consistently 100+mph both off the Tee and in BP. Bat Speed: 78mph. 60 yard Dash time: 6.93, OF/velocity: 90mph. Through a lot of hard work he’s put on 20 pounds of muscle this past year and gotten noticeably “Bigger, Stronger & Faster”. We understand college recruiting will be impacted due to the NCAA giving...
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Get to a PBR event. They have the most recorded metrics as well as video. If he stands out, he will get interest. PBR California seems to have a strong social media presence.
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Getting recruited in the class of 2021 is going to be a challenge for all but the very elite players. A PBR event is a good idea. Look online for on campus camps within driving distance - especially Junior College camps. Those often have coaches from other schools that help run the camp and evaluate. California has an imbalance of supply and demand (more good players than D1 roster spots) under normal conditions. That situation will be worse for 2021s. Look at Junior College options and look...
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I want to thank everyone for their replies. I should have mentioned that my Grandson has been contacted by two D1’s, but they were both private schools Where even with a 25%-30% scholarship he was still looking at $40K+ per year which his parents can’t afford. He needs to go to a state school and most of those have been Player impacted due to Covid-19. He does have a few D2’s that are very interested and he may have to go that route. He’ll keep working and hopefully show well enough this...
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Hi Bob, My Grandson really likes Sonoma State and the coaching staff. You saw him hit at an SSU camp last fall where he hit 98 on HitTrax and now regularly hits 100+. His Travel ball coach, a SSU grad, says my grandson is a true D1 Power Hitting candidate but admits that due to Covid-19 finding a D1 spot will be challenging. We actually think SSU would be a great fit for our Grandson and he'd probably be very interested if they made him an offer. Patrick
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Have you considered SSU? Maybe SRJC ranked 8 in Nation in academics and 4 in baseball. There will be 110 players in the Fall tryout at both schools. Bob
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I agree with “if he were a D1 prospect he would know by now.” However, I would add .... in the west (area you mentioned). Under normal circumstances there are far more D1 prospects in those states than available roster spots. Under COVID circumstances a lot of players who would have otherwise left with the draft and/or using up their eligibility will be returning. 2021’s are also starting to run up against the calendar. If he really wants to play D1 he may need to get seen on the other side...
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That's good news. As has already been communicated here, there are limited D1's in that region, so to find the right D1 fit, he may have to go east. I can tell you that SSU and most of that conference play as good or better baseball than many of the mid major D1 conferences back east - in some cases, considerably better. So, if staying closer to home and taking advantage of the much lower in-state tuition are important, SSU or some of the other schools in that conference would make an...
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Peach, those numbers are great, but college coaches need to see him play. Have they? Does your grandson play for a premier travel organization like NorCal baseball? Most Pac12 , Big West, West Coast, and Mountain West players from the area do. They will get the right eyes on him. Even if he does not play for NorCal, he can and should play in the NorCal World Series (Google it) this summer, assuming it happens. Every D1 program in the West will be there. All your son has to do is ask his HS...
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Peach, I love how much you love and support your grandson. There are very few coaches on here. He needs to send videos directly to any college coach he thinks may be a good fit. If it’s 10, if it’s 100. Put recent videos on YouTube and include a link to those and his PBR page. He needs to do this next step. The ball is in his court. I know creating a list can be overwhelming but now is the perfect time for him to do it. If it’s overwhelming then just do them all in alphabetical order. Or by...
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Great advice by others. If he were a D1 recruit, particularly in your preferred region, he should know it by now. I know you said he put on a lot of muscle this past year but still... He may need to adjust his sight lines. That exit velo, throwing velo and size didn't ALL just come out of nowhere. What has he heard so far from D1 RC's? Is anyone contacting/following him? If not, why not? Not playing decent summer ball? No qualified advocates? More of a showcase guy than a gamer? Trying to...
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Bob, If by the 6th Tool you mean Hustle and having an overwhelming desire to win, my grandson definitely has it. He's a really hard worker and focused on his goal to play both college and Pro Baseball. Patrick