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Re: Expected time commitment -High school Coach
We live in a small midwestern state in a city of about 500K-ish if you count the suburbs. 95+% of baseball HCs are teachers. HS baseball happens in the spring and transitions immediately into Legion ball in the summer. I sincerely appreciate the coaches time and efforts. The hourly wage works out to be something awful. But I am not comfortable calling them coaches. The best descriptor is "manager." 95% of the actual coaching (individual development and learning) happens outside of the high...
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I have been thru this three different times myself so I’m not going to sugar coat this. Your current coach doesn’t want your help and you aren’t going to change the culture. It looks like you are setting yourself up for a big disappointment. Try to figure out how to make the best of the situation or find a better situation. Those are your options. HS coaches like Cabbage are a dying breed but there are still some out there. If HS baseball it that important to you, go find one.
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Up in MN the coaches are not allowed to run practices till late March, hence the dreaded "captain's practices". Our school is a large public. Good, but not awesome program. The new HS coach has an excellent BB pedigree, and practices will be well run...probably better than most travel programs in the area. He emphasizes efficiency, with multiple separate groups working on the field at the same time. I do agree that most of the development will be in the off season, and by MNHS rules, the...
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A bunch of us worked with the coach to procure donated materials and labor for new dugouts, fix the outfield fence and build a two story storage shed and announcers booth for baseball and sftball. The the school maintenance union stepped in. it wasn’t free anymore. The free labor was a violation of the union contract. And it took an extra year to get done. The school couldn’t accept free materials from a vendor not on the list. It took until the next school year for those vendors to be approved.
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For any parent who thinks they can change the coach and culture, good luck. All you can do is offer to help and do what the coach requests. Nothing will change until the coach trusts you and asks for input, it doesn’t happen overnight.
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Everything that Cabbage said is spot on. To clarify, I was not suggesting that you try to replace your current coach. I was suggesting that you find a different HS for your son to attend (if this issue is that important).
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I found it interesting that you think that coaching high school baseball is a full time job. I then wondered if you meant that it is a full time job therefore high school baseball coaches should only have to coach or if you meant that you expect for that position to be full time and above all other positions. I also found it interesting that you think that one aspect of the job is to do the diamond all summer although that is exactly what I did. You might find that you run into all types of...
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Tn Dad, not knowing more specifics of your particular situation, I'll throw out some more stuff that may or may not apply... Be aware that many of the duties and responsibilities occur behind the scenes, where you may not be aware of all that he does. Be aware that there can be significant obstacles with administration, league rules, budget, etc., that can limit a coach in many ways. Be aware that getting involved with the coaching side can be exponentially more difficult if you are a parent...
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What I would expect - nothing. Kids play high school sports as a fun extracurricular to represent their school and play with friends. If his coach showed up for practice at 4:00 on the dot and left at 4:45, but won a state championship, I wouldn't care at all. If he went 5-20 that wouldn't fly. What I would like to see - 1. Setting the team up with winter workouts at an indoor facility from Jan 1 - Opening Day (March) 2. Individual coach/player meetings before opening day and exit meetings...
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Thank you very much for this reply. This is very good information. What could or should be expected from a stipend coach? My question may have come across as asking way too much from a coach. I wanted to put all of that out because the only thing that our coach does is the Feb-May time-frame. None of the other stuff happens.
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I would say these are very high and unrealistic expectations for a high school coach. Not that it can't be done, the top coaches do this, but to expect this across the board is asking way too much. For a stipend of a few thousand dollars - that is a lot of time to be investing. Unless it is your program and something you plan on being part of for a while, then yes. But a lot of high school coaches are teachers looking to make a few extra bucks during the season. Should a HS coach be doing...
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Expected time commitment -High school Coach
Hello all, I fully expect a coach even at the High School level is "coaching" all of the time in some form or fashion. But what is the expected time commitment from coaches throughout the country? I figured the expected commitment time frame is something like this: Jan-May coaching and practicing and playing June- Small break and then field maintenance, facilities upkeep, and promotion, securing donors, camps July - Same as June but with Dead period, communicate off-season/summer workouts,...
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My son had a great high school coach, a teacher, old school guy, did all of what the OP suggests and what Cabbagedad says. He was happy to talk about college recruiting, but what he knew was mainly local. He had a group of long-time assistant coaches, and then also hired young guys each year (usually have 3 teams). In addition to the above, he ran workouts twice a week in the summer, and since most kids' travel teams were based out of town, all the serious players (i.e. varsity starters)...
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Same at our HS. But it was a blessing. Son had all the other months to get better, with coaching of our choosing, instead of wasting time at a 3 1/2 hour practice, 5 days a week, while getting maybe 6-10 double play reps. He said his legs were tired from standing around. Be careful of what you wish for.
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I coached travel softball through 18u Gold. Then I coached travel baseball through 16u. At high school games parents would second guess the coach to me. I refused to participate. The only response I gave until they stopped asking was, “There’s more than one option for most coaching situations.” Then I turned to a good friend I trusted and said, “What the h*** was he thinking with that move?”
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A lot of BB players also play fall and winter sports such as football, hoops, hockey, Skiing, etc.. Near impossible to get much attendance for a fall practice, and in any event, holding them is against MNHS rules. Expectations for coaches here are ridiculously high, especially given the pay.
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Thanks- I appreciate this! Again, I wasn't expecting the coach to do these things but more speculating on if this was the normal HS coach annual schedule. I was trying to understand where Coaches stood on what was to be expected and the norm and how it compares to my situation.
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Is fall practice attendance required? When my son was in high school the fall ball practices and games were for players trying to take a step up (previous bench, JV and freshmen players). My son went to games one year to secure a starting position. During the week he had soccer practice or games. After that if it didn’t interfere with travel he showed up to games to cheerlead and maybe pinch hit.
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Not required, but if you aren’t playing another sport he wants video of you working out or practicing. Also major guilt trip if you aren’t participating in his fall program/travel team, which he charges for.
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Understanding that this is all pre-COVID19.... Players are expected to be in weight training class with coach. Players are expected to come to first day of practice in Jan ready to go at 100%. Other than that, it do not know what the expectations of HC for players is out of season. No fall workouts/practices, 3 on 1s, etc.. Now, does HC take note of who is working in the cages in the summer, fall, weekends, evenings? Who is working at facilities he knows with folks he knows owns? Who is...
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If you are referencing my post, I fully understand how this could come across. I have dealt with those parents as well and it is part of the reason why I am seeking advice. To see what the norm is on participation and what to expect.
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I appreciate the brutal honesty and was afraid that this may be the case.
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Neatest thing the brand new high school coach put together this past year was a book club where the boys met weekly to discuss sports leadership themed books throughout the school year. As a parent, even with the covid interrupted season, the coach led book club made high school baseball super worthwhile in addition to club/ travel ball. This new coach (wood shop teacher) with his leadership off the field built up his team and turned a losing team into a winning one....on so many levels.
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One thing I find odd, coach hasn’t reached out to the team since they were shut down (other than my son recently to ask him to play a tournament). Not a hey, get your work in, congrats on your commit, stay safe, etc. He sent out a text to come get their stuff and that was it. No season wrap-up.
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Then in your opinion hitting coaches like me who are also high school coaches and teachers should forfeit their outside income for the roughly $2,500 I get paid to coach in high school.
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I don't understood why HS coaches who charge for lessons or who are coaches on a travel team that have their students on it does not find it a conflict of interest.
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The way you worded it. I would hope a high school coach would not charge his players for lessons. But I know those who do.
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Interesting comment. Why would that be a problem?
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Please tell me you don’t charge for these lessons.
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I missed your reply. I've been on this site since it first started and have been a moderator here ever since MN Mom took over the site. I moderate other boards as well. I have a pretty impressive resume but I won't bore you with that. Why should I be required to coach for free when my contract for HS ball is set by the state association. After that, it is my free time to do as I think right. I would expect any person with a skill to charge for that skill. This past week, we called a plummer...
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The problem isn't giving quality instruction for a price that you feel is worth your time. The problem is when Coach FewExtraBucks starts letting his small business get in the way of his judgement. When it is neck and neck between two guys for a position and the guy who spent $1200 in lessons in the offseason gets the starting job because he knows the parents will sign him up again. Or when Johnny HittingLessons keeps pinch hitting for the starter even though he is hitting .200 on the...
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So, in your view, I should do all of the work like I did getting up at 6 in the morning 5 days a week to do weight room, staying after school for open gym, working on the field mowing, weeding, ... repairing facilities, buying equipment, ... and I am to be condemned for trying to make some money. If you factor in all of the time away from the family to do this, you then find out why so many people are getting out of coaching. In a neighboring school district, a young man I coached against...
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I can’t tell you what to do and won’t but I will tell you what I did. Btw, I’ve been here 14 years. Was here under a different name to start with and changed jobs. Couldn’t log in one day and couldn’t get my password to work so began a new name. I was in a small town and taught hitting and pitching lessons. Became HS Hc for baseball and AC for softball. Dropped charging all my players on either team. It was an ethics thing for me. Did I lose money? Most of it but picked up others, mostly our...
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We were told by our AD that we were not to make contact. In that way, we could not be viewed as attempting to set up individual practice etc. I give hitting lessons to my team's players and they would not hit with me this summer. (Note these lessons are not mandatory and I don't approach players. If they want them, they set them up with me.)
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That would make sense. This is a private school and Most kids play multiple sports. Other coaches have been reaching out periodically just to make sure kids are working out and to wish them well
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I have a problem with any coach at any level who charges his own players for lessons. I think you can use facilities but not to charge your players. It fits under above reproach. I don’t think travel coaches should charge their players for lessons. Make that money from others not yours. It falls under conflict of interest and if you want me to help you then you will have to pay. Just me. But not a fan of it.
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I paid my son’s travel coach about $1,500 for one on one hitting lessons over ten weeks. The lessons overlapped the travel team winter workouts by five weeks. Since the lessons were away from the team I didn’t think anything about paying. The impact of the lessons eventually had about a 40K ROI. The only thing that bothered me about paying is the coach mostly drove home what I had been telling my son for two years, “There’s going to be a day when you can’t pull everything.” What did dad...
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It can be considered a violation of some state associations if a school's facilities are used for lesson to players from other school districts. IOWs, it might be considered recruiting and using the facilities to recruit. You are entitled to your opinion. That and roughly $8 will get you an extra value meal at McDonalds. Your assumption (Note the saying about assumptions) are not accurate in all places. You would have a coach use facilities and not charge when the coach is charged.
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Coach B, You absolutely have a right to earn a living and I absolutely wish my kid could be trained by you. I may be an alarmist here but imo this is a recipe for a disaster and can ruin your good reputation. What if a student who is not taking lessons from you gets cut and their parents argue their darling child was unfairly treated because you favored kids on the team who paid you?
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There are a couple of really good points in here. Are you getting your monies worth or are you trying to buy your way into the next level? In other words, is the money improving the talent or is it attempting to buy a piece of the high school coach’s heart for preferential treatment? Like adbono I didn’t get any decent instruction until I encountered a former minor leaguer. Junior year of high school a former player came back to help after being released. It wasn’t until then anyone showed...
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Back to OP....My parental expectation of a high school coach is to be a role model for the development of solid character & importance of team, provide safe structured team practices but know (be interested in) the players' skill sets individually with in season coaching, and ideally be available if the players (not parents) have off season questions or need occasional guidance (camps, colleges, workouts, arm health). I am truly amazed at the passion, time and true dedication virtually...
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Yeah, I agree. You really can’t compare a situation in the rural south to what goes on in San Diego. Personally I don’t begrudge any coach/instructor for charging a fair fee. The more important issue to me is whether or not I was getting my money’s worth. My sons hitting coach is the AA hitting instructor for the Cubs. He was a college All-American, won an Olympic medal, and played 5 years in the big leagues. He isn’t cheap but he fantastic and is worth every penny. I never tried to teach my...
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I hand out a "hold harmless agreement" before each hitting session. As you might know, they really are worthless for the most part BUT one statement on it states that if your child takes hitting lessons from me, it does not guarantee your child anything. (Paraphrasing.) Again, I limit my sessions to 22 hitters. Pretty much the hitters that make it in are some of the better players anyway and have the drive to do these lessons. I give the first lesson to any new hitter for free and I assess...
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I'm just stating my opinion. I think a coach is a coach to his players and should not get paid twice. I'm not bashing you. You have your opinion and I have mine. I made my choices because of my convictions. I just saw ME as a coach to my players all year round, not just during season. You have to do you and I have to do me. I can appreciate you and not agree with you. I've never questioned YOUR abilities. I've never questioned your resume. I just have my opinion of what a high school and...
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I think it's a relic of yesteryear where coaches, and for that matter teachers, give countless hours on nights and weekends to help an never ending parade of kids. Getting corrections, occasional tips and such is one thing, but a regularly scheduled, weekly private one-on-one batting session? Why would anyone think this should be free to any and all? I would insist on paying even if the coach didn't ask. It seems odd that the same people who happily pay a travel coach for hitting lessons...
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As a coach, I always felt that if I was teaching my players it was part of my job as their coach. If I thought they could pitch I taught them to pitch to help the team. I taught them to hit as part of being their coach. I do not think a player should have to pay his coach in travel or high school to be teach him the game. But that and $6 where I live will buy me a meal at McDonald’s.
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Let’s have some peace. Stop threatening people’s lives with McDonald’s food. Can’t we all just get along! 😁
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I do not think a travel coach should be paid for hitting lessons. That is their job is to teach their players to hit. I think any coach should not be paid to teach hitting or pitching lessons to their players. To any other plays, charge them. I don't have a problem with schools or colleges that allow their coaches to use their facilities to make extra money but they should not charge their players. Again, just me.