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Re: 2022 - Where can I get a good assessment?
The never ending battle for superiority between Texas and California has emerged in this thread, but thank you all for the great comments. For posterity, I will summarize the advice I have received so far. *Take him to a PBR showcase to get published numbers (thanks DESERTDUCK, NYCDAD, and BASEBALLHS) *Contact a local junior college coach for a workout and feedback (thanks CABBAGEDAD) *Post a highlight video to this site and let the hsbaseballweb.com community evaluate him (thanks...
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I know it's going to be hard to find a good fit which is why I think we'll have to cast a wider net. Already spent a lot of time looking at schools here in CA that would maybe be a good fit baseball-wise but might be a small step down academically. Had to cross some off the list as there were zero rostered players in engineering going back 2/3 years. He projects D1 (maybe, who knows, I hate guessing) but I don't think he'd mind going lower if it was a good fit academically. For now we...
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Ask Fenwaysouth's son - he did it -- at an Ivy League school nonetheless! Good things come to those who hustle. --Chuck Noll
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6'4 205 LHP touching 86 as a sophomore gets him an offer at any mid-major in the Midwest...and likely some of the bigger D1's if he can throw strikes. If you haven't already done so, get a video together of him on the mound and have his measurables verified by someone. Send it to RC's of schools he's interested in. You'll get some responses. As others have said, if he can be 87-88 this summer, you'll have plenty of interest. My son is an assistant at a NAIA school here in Ohio. I'm sure...
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Lousylefty, there are many threads here regarding combination of engineering and baseball. You can search by topic. On one hand, realistically, it does narrow the schools down considerably. On the other hand, a player with a high skill set and the desire to pursue the engineering major is highly regarded and sought after by that smaller pool of schools. As Qhead suggested, Fenway will also be a tremendous resource. I know of a handful of schools at lower levels but sounds like your player...
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Check out Cal Poly. Great engineering school and a quality D1 baseball program.
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Not D1 but in California one of the better Engineering schools already exists. And I am not talking Cal-tech. Harvey Mudd. https://www.usnews.com/best-co...171/overall-rankings They partner Claremont and Scripps to field a team in the sciac. The coach there used to be the coach at Div 1 Cornell, so he is well versed in High academic schools. https://www.cmsathletics.org/s...enbach_bill?view=bio If your son is not a realistic Pro Prospect, it might be a good alternative. Be aware their...
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Lefty, sent you a PM, but thought I'd give a speil on this thought: "I'm not ready to have the conversation that he may have to choose one dream over the other, yet." No kid NEEDS to sacrifice non-baseball career aspirations to play baseball. If a kid has pro-potential, he will be found NO MATTER WHERE HE PLAYS. If he simply wants to enjoy college as an athlete, virtually every college can fit that bill. Now, there are many colleges where a player WILL sacrifice potential careers (majors);...
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Most HC's dislike any curriculum which requires "labs" late in the week. It's very difficult to be an athlete, let alone a D1 athlete with its aggressive schedule and pursue a technical degree. Even with top D3 HA's it's difficult. Caltech and MIT are the exceptions, because athletics revolve around technical programs. The Cornell HC told our club program head the past season he was trying to avoid recruiting too many players with engineering aspirations.
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CoachLD, this is kinda funny... I'm California throwing out a Colorado example (School of Mines) and you're Colorado throwing out a California example. Poly is in my back yard (25 minute drive). These two schools represent some interesting dynamics with the choices a player with engineering path will be faced with. Cal Poly is often a top 25 ranked D1 baseball program. The engineering program is absolutely top notch but the school has a full breadth of other majors and I don't believe very...
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Just to consolidate a list of schools who routinely have multiple Engineering majors on their rosters... Lehigh UCSD Trinity TX Rose Hulman Case Western Reserve Milwaukee School of Engineering Merchant Marine Academy Colorado School of Mines Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Johns Hopkins Stevens Institute MIT Cal Tech Air Force, Navy, Army Embry-Riddle WVU Tech University of Texas at Dallas Ohio Northern Swarthmore No particular order. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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As noted by someone earlier - MIT. Just look at that roster, its the odd player who is not in engineering. Great school and competitive baseball team. Just to note your list has only one D1 team listed.
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Service Academy's are great engineering options. The HC's fully support all degrees pursued and have tutors travel with the team. Play D1 baseball, jump out of planes, fly gliders, fly fighters, be an astronaut....What's not to like. Go AF.
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Yup. The size will also be very attractive, but even a 5'11" LHP throwing 87 will get all sorts of D1 interest. There gets to be a certain point where you actually have to show that you can pitch, but a 2022 LHP who has touched 86 is intriguing. BTW, start working on those marks and test scores! That can also help out a coach/RC a lot, and will widen out the schools that he can have appeal for.
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KNOWNOTHINGDAD sorry for hijacking your post. I'm thinking we will run into eachother at a PBR event in January (nothing listed on website right now but they've had them the last two years) Everyone else, thank you for all your insight and the great schools to start what will probably be a long list of potential matches. Gov, for the longest time Lefty wanted to go to an academy. Until he found out he'd have to jump off something high. Kid doesn't like heights. Perfect fit other than that...
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University of Texas-Dallas always seems to get overlooked when list of engineering schools that play good baseball gets tossed around. Not sure why it stays under the radar in terms of public awareness, but it does. Top notch engineering school and very good D3 baseball. Some baseball players are engineering majors and coaching staff will make some accommodations for them.
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Ohio Northern And as previously listed Harvey Mudd
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My kid thinks KnowNothing's son is D1. Two caveats - he's 15 years old and he catches him on a travel team. Joking aside, I wanted to say that I turned KnowNothingDad onto this website and y'all didn't disappoint with your advice and info. Thanks to all.
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Both Fenwaysouth's and my son played college baseball and received engineering degrees. The list of schools above is a good start, Cal Poly and UCDavis both have had engineering students on their rosters, plus the Ivy's, and Stanford. We found out late in the process that STEM and D1 baseball is pretty much incompatible, except for a few cases and it almost requires that the player be a pitcher as they can come and go and get their work in independent of the team. Unless your son is a...
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I echo BOF. Many regular students start; most switch. Add in a sport and. . . . . I will add, however, that those that successfully traverse this crucible are amongst the most sought after graduates.
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This became a major factor in my son's recruiting journey. He wants to do civil engineering (eventually architecture) and play baseball. Once he started serious conversations with coaches, he learned quickly how critical it would be to find a school where this combination was supported by both coaches and faculty. Some HAs (even an Ivy with a strong engineering program) told him they "don't really have any engineering majors on their rosters"... I agree with Gov that the service academies...
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1. All commitments are self-reported. That said, there are often classes that show kids as committed who never show up on their rosters. Some get drafted, some don’t pan out before fall of freshman year...lots of reasons. 2. My opinion, yes and no. If they are that deep into their 2022 class the these are guys they wanted to lock up. Most schools will be looking at players (especially pitchers) until summer after their Junior year. 3. See #2 above 4. There are ways around everything and a...
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I agree wholeheartedly with the above. My son had many dream schools throughout the process. For various reasons, they fell off at various times throughout the process. 1. Mostly, he was never going to be "good" enough to be chosen and even if he was, probably wouldn't play. And these are usually the schools with a nearly full class by the time your kid is a sophomore. Sometimes, the coach just turned out to be an ass, someone he couldn't see playing for. 2. A school/coach will find your son...
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Is he even good enough to play at this school? None of those questions matter right now if he isn't good enough to play there. Will he need to rely on decommits/draft, will he have to commit his sophomore year... those questions imply that he is somebody that can definitely play there. I would assume if he were good enough to play at a school of this caliber, people would be telling you already and he would be getting approached by top travel programs to come play with them. I would guess...
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As for questions... 1. Yes it's true, or very close to being true at least. The commitments are self reported but are probably closer to 100% than 90% accurate. Since they are self reported, there are plenty of kids who never bother to add the commitment meaning there are probably another one or two commits not listed. At 2019s P5, there are 10 listed on PG when 13 signed. 2. No he hasn't missed the boat but the coaches have what they expect to be the meat of their class - the studs. They're...
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Is he expected to be a pitcher only? Pitchers have a bit of time....if your LHP can/will throw 90+ he won't have any problem finding a P5 home. There is always room for very good pitchers. They could even invite him to walk on....then they could just throw out the dead weight from another class. "You want to go where you can play". <<<<<< This, every time. Does your son have the measurables of the other commits at his dream school?
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Some touched on this already, but I would caution him against being too "stuck" on this dream school. My son had a dream school - dad's alma mater. When it really came down to it, he realized his dream school was not the right fit for him. Lots of factors played into this realization - money (out of state) was a big one. I also think that after visiting campus and being at a camp, the "vibe" from the program and the school was just not him. Hard to explain, but I told him he would just get a...
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I will begin by saying that this is probably not going to be a popular post. But as I told RJM, my posts are not about trying to generate “likes.” I attempt to speak the truth. And the truth is that the overwhelming majority of parents that have players in the 12 - 16 year old age range are delusional about the potential for their sons to play D1 P5 baseball. The statistical odds are incredibly remote. Somewhere between 6% & 7% of all HS players advance to play college baseball at ANY...
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We didn't really identify a dream school going into recruiting. Now that he's there, it's his dream school. But in support of a couple of previous posts — he's a pitcher who blossomed as a junior and senior and committed in fall of his senior year, after a couple of people who committed early on decommitted, at least one after he and coaches "mutually decided it was no longer a good fit" — which I translated to "he stopped working." Adbono is right — try to get realistic about what level...
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So this P5 only recruits 11/12 players every year? That seems low. If your son has shown that he is a legitimate P5 LHP, 86 top velo and 82-84 as a sophomore which you stated previously, then he needs to contact his dream school and let them know immediately. I would say that if he has the numbers they would probably jump on it quickly. Just know that most will not commit until their summer before junior year or junior year unless it is a handful of P5 schools like Vandy where the LHP number...
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Dreams are a good. "If you don't have dreams, you have nightmares"..... was a frequently used phrase in my house when my kids were looking at colleges. I think it is great your son is thinking big. I also think underclassmen get caught up in the hype, branding and marketing that goes on in college basketball and football. College and college baseball is a VAST universe of options that need to be explored to know what is possible. Keep pursuing the dream school, but also begin pursuing other...
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It is nice to have a "dream school" but your son needs to identify what he is looking for in a school and baseball program. Then see where he fits and what schools are a fit for him. Look at the churn on college rosters. There are lots of reasons for churn, but look at a P5 roster over the years and see how few players provide any substantial contribution, the number that move on, etc... I am aware of a number of players from my area that were really good HS players who went to P5 schools.
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I read on here all the time the turnover in D1 baseball. I began to look back at the guys who played with my sons that we knew personally playing travel ball. There are at least 50 kids on this list that went D1. There are only about 5 that started at a D1 and ended up somewhere else. That is 10%. I consider that a very small number. 1 of those flunked out and never played anywhere. 1 got arrested right before college and then again in his freshman fall so he was sent home and is at juco.
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I know of a Gatorade Player of the Year who headed for a ranked SEC program, hit .157 and was told to transfer to a JuCo. He transferred to an ACC, made all conference and was drafted in the first fifteen rounds. Some players have the talent, don’t perform when called and need a second shot someplace else. Too many players don’t understand the level of competition they’re getting into. They shoot too high and end up on the short end of the competition for positions. A player has to be able...
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Just for giggles I did a quick analysis of the class of 2017 from my state. The top 10 on PBR all committed to P5 schools. Currently 2 are at original school, 2 are in the minors and 6 have transferred.
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I just looked at NCAA reported numbers ( www.ncaa.org/about/resources/r...transfers-division-i ). From 2007-2018 the transfer rate for D1 baseball (all transfers (2-4, 4-4) went down from 27.6% in 2007 23% in 2018, with 2-4 transfer staying fairly static around 20%, while 4-4 transfer reduced from 8.1% to 2.2%. So this is nowhere near the 50% that RJM mentioned, however I also think the data is really not representative of the entire transfer picture. What the data does not show is the...
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My data is from 2010 when my son was going through the process. It came from the NCAA. The verbiage was something to the effect of 50% of baseball players transfer out to somewhere else (any level) to play before junior year. A 4-2-4 would be two transfers. As you mentioned the 27% probably isn’t the complete picture. It’s too drastic of a change. http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...nt-athlete-transfers “A 2018 study from the National Student Clearinghouse estimates that 39% of all...
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I'm not trying to dispute numbers just going on personal experience. I just don't see the transfers that everyone talks about. To me 20% is not a high number. I bring this up because on almost every thread numerous people will talk about all the kids who don't end up where they started. I just don't see it. I think it is a few but not a lot. I think it will change in the coming years as the openness of the portal begins to be more in play. I'm not happy so I will go somewhere and not have to...
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This is where the attrition rates on CBI's datasets can be useful, especially compared with transfers into the program. Some schools have 8 freshmen leave one year, but 0 the next, so clearly it can vary. But some are more consistent in one direction or the other (as was noted for the Ivy League set). Also, those datasets are, I think, based on rostered players. So, "preferred walkons" who might commit on PG but never make a spring roster, may not be being counted.
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Whether aggregate transfer rate is 20% or 80%, it’s a real possibility. Competition will be steep. Real question is what is it for your kid, and is he prepared for how tough it will be, and can he handle the “failure” if he transfers? I tell my kid PG lists 22 kids in his class. My son says he’s all in, and tells me to stop worrying about it.
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No one chooses a school intending to transfer. One real issue for kids is this: most D1 schools have no time for a player to find his game. The leap from HS to college is in every way (academically, socially, athletically) a huge leap; these power programs dont have time to wait. AND most don't have time (or even ability) to actually develop talent - especially development cases. I will use my son's case as an example. Drafted out of HS throwing over 90 as a LHP, it was expected that he...
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GOOSEGG, Great post. As some know, mine also struggled quite a bit adjusting to the college game. Fortunate for him, he had a great pitching coach who never gave up on him. Also, the ACC was weaker back then, with no roster limits. Back then you had much more of an opportunity to grow up than now. Unless you are a top proven prospect who gave up draft, in the top P5 programs, you don't get much time to prove yourself.
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I agree 100%. I also found it a great resource for players looking to play out of state. If you want to look at a program from the state where I live, you won't find many out of state players in most D1 programs. Again, this is a great resource. Those looking to go to a camp out of state, check out the info on the database, I believe every conference has been listed. If you see that only a select few from out of state have been on the roster for the last few years, is this really a good way...
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I wonder what happens in a situation I heard of yesterday. The P5 team had already had end of fall meetings. Players were told who was kept, cut, and redshirted. Yesterday, a player came in on last day before Christmas break and cleaned out his locker and dorm room. Told coach he was not coming back and he was a kept player. Do you think they go back to one of the redshirt guys and say you have a spot or go try to get someone to help immediately if they did not think the redshirt guy was...
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Geez, that’s called looking a gift horse in the mouth! I would imagine there is more to the story, I can’t imagine a player who was told he is going to get playing time leaving.
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As stated above, Dream schools and "best fit" are often not the same. There are so many factors that go into a decision... baseball program, coaches, number of recruits per class, the competitiveness of the team and league, ability to play, number of transfers each year, campus, food, urban vs. rural, academic rank, academic program availability, far from home, close to home, career planning, student happiness, etc... What is important to your son as a Freshman may not be as important as a...
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I think the transfer numbers can be deceiving as stated by several posters above. My sons Connie Mack team had I believe 10 or 11 kids "committed" to a P5 team. 8 or 9 of those kids transferred out at Christmas break with most going JUCO route. Technically they were not yet rostered players. So if a non-rostered player transfers to another school, would he actually be considered a transfer since he wasn't on team? I think this scenario happens more often than not but I am not sure how it is...