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Sophomore Son wants to do more show case evals
I have a 17 year old Sophomore (catcher) who is wanting to do more showcases , along with camps or try outs. We live in a small town outside of Tulsa OK. Neither of which have many, if any . I don't know where else to look for showcases,evals, or camps other then a few sites. He has done only a few due to lack of knowing about any more. Can anyone tell me sites I can check? Or have any suggestions about where to start? !! Thanks for any help anyone may have.
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College Coach Sets Deadline On Offer - Is This Common?
A mid-level Division I coach at an academic school has offered my son, a rising senior, a roster spot on the team. He told him he needs an answer by a certain date next month. Just wondering if any of you can give me a sense of how common this is, what the deadline might mean, and how firm the deadlines generally can be. My son is a power hitting center fielder, and this is his first official offer from a coach. Thanks in advance for any responses!
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JBL: First off congratulations on the offer. Your son must ask himself, where does this school rank on his list? As a rising senior ,you are right in the heart of the recruiting for academic schools (D1) and most will be winding classes down in the summer/September. The deadline of say mid-July is reasonable, and is better than a "end of the week", or first call gets the spot. Have other schools shown interest? What are their timeframes? As a position player , I wouldn't wait too long on...
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My son is very interested in the school, but he does have varying interest from several other schools. Your reply makes me think we should definitely contact these schools, gauge their interest and get their timeframes. Thanks JBL!
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Yes, its common. And RipkenFan gave you good advice. Have your son contact the other schools. You have nothing to lose at this point.
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Congrats on the offer. Agree with others it is an opportunity to seek other interest. In addition, I would make sure you fully understand or have all the information you need from the first school to be able to compare with others. I'm going to assume your son had an academic pre-read with the first school. Does he have the academics to get in without the coaches help? Would he be in the top 25% academically of the incoming thereby possibly getting some academic money too? Have you (as...
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You mention interest in varying degrees from other schools. This implys to me that they are infact waiting for replys from boys ahead of your son on their board. I think the coach gave you a generous timeframe. Doesn't sound like the school is top choice, but your son needs to talk to coaches from schools that are more desired. He doesnt have to mention specifics , but he should mention his desire to play for preferred team and the deadline date. I think at that point he will no exactly...
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This is the time when coaches from many mid D1 programs still areoffering rising seniors opportunities. Don't have your son accept the offer unless he is 100% sure this is where he wants to earn his degree and play baseball (in that order). Best of luck.
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It is definitely common place for them to put a deadline on the offer, especially on rising seniors. My son was offered from a P5 and they gave him a 24 hour deadline. They were very point blank but not obnoxious. They said we want you and this is the offer but we have a list of guys under you that would love to come. You have 24 hours to let us know because our list is changing daily. He declined because they could not waive out of state and could not afford to go there even with a good offer.
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Congrats but I noticed you said coach has offered a "roster spot" on the team. I would have your son reach out to the Coach and clarify exactly what is being offered? Is it a walk on position, a scholarship and if so, what exactly is the offer, etc. After your son clarifies, I think it is more than acceptable to reach out to the coaching staff to verify what info your son is telling you (as 17 and 18 year olds sometimes hear what they want to hear or dont undertand offer) and then work the...
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Mid-major HC told my son and me during a UV: "If we make an offer, we won't put a deadline on it. However, we will make multiple offers, and it's first-come, first-served." OK, fair enough. The following week they sent an AC to see him play again, and they then followed up with a scholarship offer. Ten days later the RC called my son and said they were putting a 24-hour deadline on the offer.
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To me putting a deadline on it is fair as long as it is a fair amount of deadline according to the situation, timing in it. We expect coaches to treat us with respect and I think it is a two-way request. When an offer is made, like any offer in life, you either have the advantage or the other person has the advantage. It should not take forever to make a decision as to whether it is right for the player or not. We want time to see if there is better offers and they are in an urgency because...
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This is exactly what happened with my oldest son. In addition, they knew other schools were becoming more interested and offering (travel coach strategically "leaked" those data points!). So it went from a loosey-goosey no deadline offer from the previous month to a we need to know about our offer within 48 hours, and we are bumping our offer from 25% to 50%. By this time in the recruiting process, (18+ months) my son wasn't concerned with any of these deadlines. He was focused on the best...
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I mostly agree, but all situations cannot be painted with the same brush. There are so many variables...
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Is it common to hear that a school is ready to make an offer if you are ready to commit? A school told travel coach the offer that was going to be made but when my son spoke to them, they said if you are ready to decide they were ready to make him an offer (which he said he wasn't, said he didn't want to rush this decision), and they said to call them when he was. Is that a normal thing?
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I have heard of this this type of conditioned offer in other posts. Not sure if it is "common" though. Seems like fear of rejection lol - Coach doesn't want to make the formal offer if the player is not in a position to make a commitment. Hopefully others with direct experience with this will chime in and let you know how they responded and how it worked out for them.
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It could be that the coach doesn't sense HIGH INTEREST from your son , nor is your son at the top of their board. It may be that he doesn't want to throw an offer out there without an imminent timetable, that will be used to garner another offer. Just a thought...
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Not sure. I just wasn't sure if this was a common way to do things. The offer they told the club coach they were making was very good. My son doesn't play for a big power team so he hasn't been seen a lot but this school has been to see him quite a bit.
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Re: Sophomore Son wants to do more show case evals
PG https://www.perfectgame.org/Showcases/ Headfirst: https://www.headfirsthonorroll...ball-showcase-camps/ PBR (I think they're horrible) https://www.prepbaseballreport.com/showcases Why a showcase or camp unless it's at a school he's interested in seeing/getting on radar. Camps are mostly money makers for the volunteer coaches. A great way to get in front of coaches if you don't have a travel ball team you can play on that will be at an event. If he has good metrics and videos you could...
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What is his objective? Does he have a business plan? Or is he throwing spaghetti off the wall to see what sticks?
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He wants to improve what potential coach's for college or MLB see that others may not.He is getting several invites, questioners and prospect follows from about 12 colleges now, but wants to try and fine tune or improve skills to give himself as many options as he can with the things he can control. Plus any extra opportunities to get his name out is a good thing when your high school is real small and more then likely not a stop many recruiters make . I think it's a way for him to be...
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And because of where his bday falls he has the option to play up to 18U (which is what he normally plays or he can play down at 16U because he is a sophomore
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Throwing spaghetti? Is this a new velocity protocol we need to include in our training? (Kidding)
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Maybe that's what he's missing in his profile ....he's been eating all the spaghetti not throwing it ....problem solved.I'll let him know how he can up his game, this wont make him very happy since he likes to eat, but a good chance for him to learn sacrifice for goals set. ( hahaha)
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I would use caution on that throwing program. If not taught correctly, one could start throwing meatballs sorry had to add that one in, lol
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I know most people on here will say that showcases and camps are a waste of time, but we didn't play for a power team because my son wanted to play with friends. We used showcases and camps exclusively and it worked out well. When he committed, he was talking to or had offers from about 15 P5 schools. It just depends on the path you want to take. We knew 2 kids who didn't even play summer ball, only did showcases and both committed to P5 schools before junior year. We just did PG and PBR,...
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ROGERS3- Now that we’ve straightened the error you’ve been making with spaghetti out....I’m still not sure why your son feels he needs to get more showcases in? College baseball is in season and yes there is some recruiting going on but it’s not the pace it was a month ago. Do you mean showcase tournament’s? Those will ramp up in the summer. RJM is right. You need a goal and then a roadmap to that goal. There are a lot of resources on this site that can help. Now is a great time to get...
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Don't play 18U until after graduation. Scouts do not show up for 18U tournaments/showcases. 18U teams are normally made up of guys who have graduated from HS already so coaches don't go. He needs to play 16U tournaments. Is he on a top level tournament team in the area, which there are a lot?
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He was a pick up player last summer for a couple traveling teams , he wants to find a tournament team for this Spring/Summer season but the 5 teams we have found around us are maxed and not adding to the roster.(we found out alot of those teams have played together for years) but they all told him he is on their list to pick up if they need a fill in player. i'd like to find a team very soon even if its a little farther out from us , but Im stumped on where to look.
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Go to the registered teams list for the must do tournaments. Start sending emails. I’m in CA and our big events are mostly in AZ. Because of the heat a lot of teams pick up an extra catcher for the long summer tournaments. I would guess the same happens on the ECoast? Unlike emails to college coaches, you can do those.
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Wanting instruction is different than wanting exposure. If he wants instruction, go to cheap, local college camps. For exposure, keep this in mind: top D1s recruit starting in freshman year (or earlier!), but you have to have the measureable numbers that they want. Mid-major D1s might or might not recruit early; every other level recruits the summer after junior year. So, if as a soph he has D1 numbers, then go to showcases now; if not, wait. For a catcher, the numbers they want to know are...
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Might be a dumb question, but I'm still confused on the options for a Soph 17 year old. I get being able to play down to 16 due to having the right birth-date, but what happens next year when he is a 18 year old Junior? I guess I might be overthinking it and he would just play as a 2022?
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Yes, he would just play with 2022s. We had a kid who turned 19 a month into school, senior year. He played with his graduation year the summer before. In terms of the draft, it didn't hurt him, he was taken top of the first round out of HS.
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In terms of summer team, you might look at the Royals Scout team. I know they pay for almost everything and although a lot of their boys are from Kansas or Missouri, they do have players from other areas. I've heard good things and there are some people on here who have played for them. The other scout teams might be following suit in the way they run the teams, but I don't know that.
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The objective shouldn’t be to attempt to accumulate college baseball offers. The objective should be to obtain offers that are an educational, baseball, financial, social and cultural fit. A player should sit down with a parent(s) and define the potential college conference level he can compete. This isn’t about wishing. It’s about being realistic. Then from those conferences decide which schools fit. Then target those schools. Email coaches and find out where to get in front of them. Don’t...
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The Royals Scout Team is a definite option if he is a top caliber player. I can get you contact info. I would also contact FiveTool.org and ask about teams or look at the teams that play in their midwest tournaments and contact those teams.
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He's a solid catcher , his pop time was timed by a college that held a evaluation and he had a constant 1.8. Even in a game situation. Best time at the eval. If you dont mind giving me the contact information that would be great. Ive also contacted fivetool after reading your reply. I appreciate a point in the right direction.
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Avoid PBR Texas, it’s a train wreck. PBR PA is amazing. FiveTool is great about blowing up Twitter with videos. Not sure about the scout draw like PG. Go here and check national or regional travel teams rankings, reach out and see if you can find a spot. That’s what we did and it worked https://www.perfectgame.org/Ra...aspx?R=272&T=reg
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Is this just since The new director because I can’t say enough good things about Bicknell the last two years. The events were good and he went above and beyond for kids.
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Showcases were a joke. Run poorly. UH location. Hurry up and pitch 10 and be done. They got the types of pitch wrong. My son felt rushed. He’s only there to pitch. Another showcase at A&M pitchers were supposed to show at 1:15, we got there early at 12 and they started pitchers at 12:20. They sent out a public tweet, not an email to the attendees, a tweet. I don’t check twitter when driving so we were thankful we were early. Others weren’t as lucky. They don’t use or update pitch speeds...
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Rogers3 - I'm a big believer in what RJM is saying here. You and your son have to have a general idea of what he wants to do during his 4 years of college and 40+ years out of college. You asked for a starting point, there it is. Once you have a handle on that, then figure out how baseball & education is going to fit into your son's future plans. Create a list of schools that meet his requirements then cross-reference with available showcases, tournaments, camps. Once your son begins...
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He has a list of schools he would like to attend for his degree as a Sports Physician. I didn't realize that he could email coaches to at least put his name out there, I was under the understanding they had to contact either the player or parent showing interest from either profiles or showcases or camps he had been to. I now know alot more then I did 3 days ago. All of which is VERY HELPFUL in me helping him find a good match. Because after all is said and done his Education comes first,...
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Re: PBR NY, I agree my kids have done their events going on 3 years. Dan who ran NY took over PA I believe. He's still involved in NY though.
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At the D1 level pre-med is going to be difficult if not impossible. Be prepared for push back. My son was considering ATC and eventually PT. while the HC/RC on his visit were potentially ok with it on his recruiting visit, turned when talking to the head of the department it would almost be impossible. My son then researched salaries out of school for those and decided he didn't want to do them ;-)..
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Agree with NYCDAD, Pre-Med is not going to be an option. Depending on the program they will limit or mandate the amount of classes and hours taken. So will their schedule. UVA mandated 15 hrs/semester and you must graduate in 4 years. GT is only 12 hrs/semester. Pre-Med in either scenario will be difficult, especially with the schedule and travel constraints. When you get to it, you should ask the coach on a visit how many days of school they miss a season.....Some schools are affected by...
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Re: Standardized Testing in Baseball
Thank you for the questions! Data would be sent through a database that will be accessed by coaches from around the country. Once we have gained some traction and have enough players in the system, we would be able to give player suggestions to schools based on the batted ball metrics. A sort of "match-maker" if you will. In my discussions with coaches, they have a hard time trusting the data being emailed to them. With our system, they will know that the data is credible and in a...
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“…..that would include all data being sent to coaches from around the country.” This is the limiting step for most players. You can collect all of the data in the world and have the most perfect “test” conceivable but it doesn’t matter unless the right coach sees it, believes it and acts upon it. So before you ask for a page full of personal information from players and parents, perhaps you could share the following: A. How will you send the data to coaches around the country? B. How will...
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The value of a single batted ball, or 5, off a tee is basically zero. I would argue the same is true of a batted ball traveling at 85 mph with a known spin rate. When you add thousands of batted balls by thousands of players it becomes a basis for comparisons, which is exactly what you proposed doing. Coaches may not yet value the data from the tech cage but note that it’s in beta now. The current perceived value by coaches may well be attributed to where any given coach sits on the adoption...
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I am absolutely not trying to eliminate the jobs of any scouts or anything. Traditional scouting helped me a lot as a player. I am just thinking about a standardized test because the data and technology is available. Scouts and coaches will always have final say, but using the technology available in a controlled environment to evaluate a player can do nothing but help the player promote himself and help coaches trust the data they receive.
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During our 17 years of Area Code games and 24 years of International Goodwill Series which included evaluations of 40,000 players. The selection of the competitive player was the judgement of a trusted Pro Scout and a player & parent interview. Bob