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2014-2016 Grads Showcase

Playersedgeshowcase ·
If you are a top high school baseball player in your area, chances are that you are a good candidate to play college baseball. Unfortunately, many players are overlooked at and miss out on this opportunity. Players Edge has the solution. This summer,...
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2014-2016 Grads Showcase

Playersedgeshowcase ·
If you are a top high school baseball player in your area, chances are that you are a good candidate to play college baseball. Unfortunately, many players are overlooked at and miss out on this opportunity. Players Edge has the solution. This summer,...
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2014-2016 Grads Showcase

Playersedgeshowcase ·
If you are a top high school baseball player in your area, chances are that you are a good candidate to play college baseball. Unfortunately, many players are overlooked at and miss out on this opportunity. Players Edge has the solution. This summer,...
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2014-2016 Grads Showcase

Playersedgeshowcase ·
If you are a top high school baseball player in your area, chances are that you are a good candidate to play college baseball. Unfortunately, many players are overlooked at and miss out on this opportunity. Players Edge has the solution. This summer,...
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Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone had any experience or advice for someone considering a PG or gap year to increase likelihood of being recruited to an Ivy League School. In my case, I am a young 2019 (turned 17 recently) OF that got considerable interest from a few ivies, but ultimately just wasn't good enough baseball wise to get an offer. Academically, I have a 3.85 UW GPA (4.4 Weighted) and 1560 SAT with many APs and honors classes. I also have a huge legacy at Columbia (brother,...
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Re: When a player's age does not match the average for their grad year

cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. Son was quite a bit younger. If you think about it, half of the kids trying to be recruited are younger than the average . Once you are shooting for college ball, you must be a very good player, regardless of whether younger or older than others in your class. He would be best advised to completely ignore that issue. The college recruiters don't care and neither should he. He is either a player or he isn't. He will either continue to work as hard as he can toward...
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2022NYC ·
My kid is a very young 2022. He uses his age as fuel to work harder. The college coaches he interacted with did not care about his age. There was a microsecond consideration to repeat 8th grade on his part, but once he was accepted to his preferred HS, that was a dead issue (mom would not have allowed him to repeat 8th grade). From a purely selfish perspective, my wife is annoyed he won't be able to drive himself to HS school, so she is his morning uber as it is on the way to her work.
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RJM ·
Thinking about age is a waste of time. It can only become an excuse. My son has a May birthday. He was also a physical late bloomer. Through high school he competed against some athletes in his class who were more than a year older. The summer after 7th grade he started playing travel ball grade appropriate rather than his age group. Starting with post freshman summer he played up another year. If a kid is young and you want to change the situation 8th grade should be repeated before high...
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Gunner Mack Jr. ·
So I took my son to a new pitching coach a few years ago, a D1 pitching coach. Great guy, motivator etc. He's talking to both of us on our first visit and I mention my son is young for his grade (September b-day - most 2020's on his travel team are a full year + older). The guy gently ripped me apart (i was paying so I didn't get it full force). He said he only cares about whether a kid can compete and that fathers of kids who are young for their grade almost always tell him that fact. So I...
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atlnon ·
My son is in the same boat. Late Sept bday. My wife and I moved him up a year entering grade school as we see that he can handle it academically and emotionally (and he is doing well as a freshman right now). We didn't even think about sports at that time, nor were we aware that people are doing the opposite (repeating a grade). So he has classmates that are 2 years older than he is right now. He is playing travel with his age group (not with his grade). I do find myself letting people know...
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Wechson ·
I'm going to go against the grain here and say it can absolutely make a difference. My oldest son, non baseball, ended up in D1 athletics but got a bite from just one school. If he had taken a year, there is little doubt he would have been a state placer or champion given the year progression he made in skill level, physical maturity, and mental maturity. That would have given him more suitors, and provided him with more choices. Not only was he a year younger, but he was a late bloomer...
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BishopLeftiesDad ·
My son had a early Sept birthday. Most kids in the class behind him were a year older. You guessed it they all started a year later. One year we had him play with his age instead of his grade in the Fall. And while it was fun for him, it really did not help that much. I would have rather he played with his grade, looking back and face tougher competition. Played with his grade or up the rest of his HS/Travel Career. So much can happen from 8th grade to graduation. Plus I cannot imagine...
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cabbagedad ·
Wech, no one is saying it can't make a difference. Most could argue that it would. But I don't think that was the OP's question and he doesn't say anything about possibly holding back a year. The points being made are.. 1. Once you are in the recruiting process, don't allow it to be an excuse. Every player will face many hurdles to jump. Will the player attack and fly over them or hesitate and get hung up? 2. Recruiters don't care. You either have the skill set they are looking for when they...
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Wechson ·
TOTALLY agree on point 1. No excuses ever, in sport or life. Would never bring that up at any point if I were an athlete or parent. For point 2, it only matters to recruiters in that they are seeing most likely a more physically mature athlete, which only helps them project. Walking my initial point back a bit, if I were to really have the chance to so it again I would have done it when he started school, not between middle school and HS. We debated it for a millisecond but elected against...
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cabbagedad ·
Yup, and agree I over-generalized on #2... that can be a factor.
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atlnon ·
To OP's original question though, do recruiters take the possibility that the kid is not physically as mature as other kids in his grade into consideration? For example, in looking at PG grades, they compare your metrics with other people in your grade, some of which could be 2 years older.
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Go44dad ·
It's individual to the recruiter/prospect. Here's another answer. Scout "Son, how tall are you?" Player "5'11" Scout "Nobody is 5'11". If I like you, you are 6'0". If I don't like you, you are 5'10"."
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Wechson ·
Bingo, exactly! It's all in the eye of the beholder. If you are skinny, and the RC doesn't like you, then you are deemed "undersized". If you are skinny and the RC takes a shine to you, then you are "projectable, with plenty of room to fill out".
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atlnon ·
Thanks! That's exactly the insight I'm looking for. And yes, my son is not only studying up a grade, but he is undersized even compared to people his age.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

RJM ·
Most of the athletes I know/know of who prepped a year between high school and Ivy were already recruited athletically and screened by admissions as likely to be accepted. Often the Ivy wanted to see the kid perform academically in a more challenging environment than his high school. The kids I know/know of that went to ISL’s didn’t prep for a year regardless of their age. Have you considered NESCACs or Centennials?
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

CTbballDad ·
You grades are amazing, congratulations! Your baseball measurables are also very strong. Before you consider a PG year, are you sure you're no longer being considered as a 2019? As the bright kid you are, I would first take a leap and call these Ivy coaches and see if you can get some insight, a campus visit, etc. Sorry I didn't address your question, I just wouldn't assume the 2019 door is closed until you exhaust all options. BTW, the PG I know we're neither good enough academically nor...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

9and7dad ·
Are you considering all Ivies or do you have your heart set on Columbia?
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
Thanks for your response. I guess I don't fit the description of those who prepped before going to an Ivy since my grades are fine but my baseball skills are lacking. In regards to your question, I am currently talking with the Johns Hopkins coach which is in the Centennial and should take a visit some time this fall. I know that the NESCACs and other Centennials are fantastic schools, but they seem to be very liberal arts focused which I am quite confident I do not want to study (I think I...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
Thank you very much for your kind words! I have worked very hard for the past couple of years in the classroom and in the weigh room to improve my athleticism. Essentially, I've talked the most with Columbia and Princeton as they both came to a couple of my summer ball games. Columbia coach pretty much told me a few days ago that they had committed their eighth 2019 and were done recruiting. I didn't talk as much with Princeton, but ~2 weeks ago the Princeton coach told me they were still...
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3and2Fastball ·
Johns Hopkins is one heckuva great school (and a beautiful campus)
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
I probably should have been more specific. Columbia is definitely my number one, but I am also interested in Princeton, Harvard and Upenn. (in that order)
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2019Dad ·
So one route for you to consider is walking on. Columbia gets 8 recruits per year (due, I'm told, to having no men's lacrosse team), most of the other Ivies have 7 most years (can be lower). Anyway, that means there are players on most teams who got in as regular students and tried out and made the baseball team. I know two current Ivy players who made a roster that way (warning: they got almost no ABs last year). The coach might even say around this time frame, "If you can get in we have a...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Twoboys ·
I am going to be devil's advocate for a minute, but please read all the way through as I will answer your questions too. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting different results. If you were not recruited by the 1-8 schools (9 including MIT), then taking a gap year JUST to try and get recruited to these 1-9 schools -- all who saw you and did not/have not offered you a slot, is insanity. You may improve over a year, but they already saw you and did not offer,...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

RJM ·
Tufts has engineering and computer science majors. It’s a very good (often ranked) D3 program. If you aren’t familiar with ISL’s they’re the 9-12 or 7-12 elite privates in Eastern Massachusetts. They’re similar to The Hun School. Kids get in for being very bright or from wealthy families.
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JCG ·
Wow. I usually don't use the quote feature as it takes up a lot of space but i did here because there's a huge amount of expertise and good advice in this post. I hope you read it closely and take advantage, FeelGood77.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

fenwaysouth ·
FeelGood77, I would read TwoBoys post and consider doing what 2019Dad suggests. Possibly you have the academic credentials and "hooks" to get into one of eight ivys today then walk-on, or play club ball then possibly walk-on later. PG or gap years can be a great thing for the right reasons. You've clearly shown you can handle yourself in the classroom. There are a handful of top D3 academic schools that may be looking for a young man like you. Listen to what they have to offer for both...
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2022NYC ·
Lots of good advice here. My kid is a very young 2022 and will start college at 17. I am surprised by the Lions lukewarm reception considering your academic and baseball metrics. If Upper Manhattan is where you want to be, I hope you would consider being a walk on, continue to improve and keep in contact with the coaches demonstrating your improvement.
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2022NYC ·
Just curious what was your laser timed 60 at PTW?
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CTbballDad ·
Something to keep in mind in applying to the elite schools with no athletics: My non-athletic daughter graduated high school with a 4.596 weighted GPA and 1490 SAT (not super-scored). She was President of her class since the 6th grade and many amazing EC, such as Girl Nation (one of 100 girls), HOBY, endless volunteer hours , etc Here's how her application results ended up: Rejected: Swarthmore, Harvard Waited Listed: Georgetown (her top choice, cried for weeks), Dartmouth, Cornell, Tufts...
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RJM ·
To add on to the last post I know a kid who blossomed senior year as a LHP at an elite private. He was a two generation legacy at Penn. His father is a well known, prestigious lawyer in Philadelphia. The coach told the kid at the late date he was out of sway with admissions. The father pulled every string he had. The kid didn’t get accepted without baseball. Admissions has changed over the past two generations. More and more people are trying to go to college. It’s become world competitive...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

BishopLeftiesDad ·
There are many Stem schools in D3. Some have already been Mentioned. One that is often overlooked is Rose-Hulman. They are always ranked very high in Engineering. Here is the ranking from US News. https://www.usnews.com/best-co...e-of-technology-1830 https://www.usnews.com/best-co.../engineering-overall The conference they play in is not exactly know for Rocket Scientists, however it is a Geographic fit. And they do reasonably well in there conference. They may not have the pedigree of the...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

PABaseball ·
Colleges recruit kids based on how good they are and how good they project them to be. If you were not offered, they do not see you developing into a player who can start on their team. A postgrad year of high school won't do much to change that. However if you end up at a prestigious boarding school as a postgrad it can help in admissions as they will most likely see an older, more mature student, capable of living away from home. Baseball can still be an option for you but you will have to...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

57special ·
For reference, my eldest son ran 6.8, threw 92 from the OF, and is a terrific gloveman (SS/CF). He got some interest some lukewarm interest from Columbia (partly our fault because we left things too late), but mainly, I think he was too small, and his bat didn't show enough power(exit velo/batspeed). At his large public top 10 in-state HS he played as a Varsity regular, batting over .400. You have to be honest with yourself. Do you have the bat, and the glove for D1? In general, I've found...
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Goosegg ·
1. Re: Gap year or PG. There are at least a few programs which have begun in the last few years which take a gap year and focus on building and improving baseball skills (dont remember the names, but a google search would uncover it). 2. During my sons years (10 - 14) one of the players a year older didnt quite have the skills as a HS player to be recruited and was told that if his skills improved, he would be recruited. He did improve as a senior, had a PG year and was recruited. He had a...
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Consultant ·
Feel Good77; have you considered a year at a Japan HS? We have traveled with our Goodwill Series American teams. Several Japan HS have welcomed American student/athletes. We are playing two Prefecture {State] teams this year in Brisbane, Australia. They are very strong baseball and academic programs. The August National Baseball tournament draws 40,000 a game at Koshien and 40 million on TV. Bob
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Ripken Fan ·
FeelGood: I can say that I don't see Gap Years much in Ivy League baseball. Some may have occurred upon transferring HS (repeating freshman or sophomore year). I have seen PG years in other Ivy sports (Lacrosse, swimming). The prospect will take the extra year, not due to grades or physical shortcomings, but because the school had no more spots in graduation year , but can offer one the following year.
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keewart ·
Son had a player on his college team (high academic "public ivy", mid-major D1) that took a PG year. I wish I knew all the circumstances because he was a good player (got drafted after his senior year of college, which meant that he was 2-6 years older than most in his draft class). My guess is that he may not have been recruited much out of HS, and the family had the resources for him to go to a wonderful school for PG year. I heard a new (to me) term recently.....taking a "glide" year...
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Gov ·
If you are all in on playing baseball in college, what about a gap year at IMG? You've got the academics, focus on the bat and strength. The HC for the PG team is a solid guy, and accessible for a conversation. Just a thought, others have provided excellent feedback.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

CTbballDad ·
This just dawned on me, as a former HS teammate of my son is doing a PG year. How does a PG year help the baseball player? Don't they still have to apply for a college this winter, which is before the PG baseball season? Or do you hope that you have a good spring and roll the dice and not apply to a college until that summer? I can see where PG can help a football or basketball player. Just don't see it for baseball.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

9and7dad ·
Because if they commit to PG before their regular senior spring season, that season essentially becomes like a second junior spring in terms of baseball. That summer before the PG becomes like a junior/senior summer. The spring season of the PG year likely would have little/no impact on the baseball recruiting outcome.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Texas1836 ·
FeelGood - For the incoming 2018 class, Columbia took its "preferred 8" (for lack of a better term) plus two ballplayers were told that they would get no admissions help, but if they were accepted, they would effectively be on the team. Both got in and are on the squad. This was an exceptional class of recruits and there was not much separating the 8 from the 2 adds.
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Los Angeles 2021 Parent ·
91 mph—can you pitch? 88 mph fastball should get you a look
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Twoboys ·
hey feelgood, any update? We are all hoping you found the right fit for baseball and your stellar academics!
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NorCalBBDad ·
Please let us know your decision and how things have been going.
 
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