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Re: Recruitable as Two Way Player for Ivy ???
Backstop22 really laid out the game plan about 2018's seeking a fit in academic ball. It's all about TESTING. Prepping , Tests, re-tests and for parents terribly expensive tutors. Also, I just sort of want to follow up my original post by saying. I'm reluctant at times to post about the realities of recruiting because I feel like I'm the 'grim reaper' . The reality of how offers come about and how schools recruit are cold and harsh. But it's the truth based on my experience. I also believe...
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
Son attended HF and the short answer to that question is yes, pitchers throw both days. I'm not sure if I'd say "make you" throw 2 days. I think you'd have the option to just throw day 1 or 2 but you'd most likely only get your 2 innings for that day. That's probably a good question for you to ask the HF team via email. They are very responsive. I can tell you that they have a pitching coordinator who checks on the pitchers each day as they enter the facility (on Long Island) and adjusts...
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
So you're saying that two short outings on consecutive days bothers your arm? If so, you may have an issue that requires attention.
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
Welcome to the site, Kayne87... Yes, this is the bigger concern... Figure out what the issues are and get them fixed sooner than later or there will be no purpose in pursuing playing at the next level. That symptom points to something either structural or mechanical and there is a possibility that you are worsening the issue by continuing to throw. Get to a good sports PT or sports ortho. Best of luck to you.
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
Once again, this can be a pitch count situation. Depending on how many pitches are thrown on the first day. It's not innings, it is the number of pitches that count. I'm almost certain that no one at either camp is going to throw someone who tells them he can't throw. This is why parents and players need to monitor things and understand arm care. Nobody running those events mentioned wants to purposely put any pitcher at risk. All you have to do is tell them ahead of time that you only want...
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
My son attended HF in Sacramento and if you signed up as a Pitcher as your primary position, you are expected, but not required, to pitch 2 innings both days. Now when I say "innings" remember: All batters start with a 1-1 count and are told to swing away--the HF umps call anything close a strike Only 5 batters hit each inning By way of example, my son pitched 11 pitches one inning and 14 the next and that was with several K's. I'd say most kids tossed between 15-25 pitches in their two...
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
Are you saying you are in pain day after throwing many innings or is arm just tired? Is it painful when you re throwing? How many do you pitch in a game, 100, 110, 120 plus? If you have any pain it needs to be checked out. Much better to have issue in HS and fix it then in college if you get to play at that level. Good Luck to you.
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Re: Throwing 2 days in a row
As mentioned above... Throwing a couple of innings two days in a row may not be ideal depending on the number of pitches - but it should be something that you can do if necessary. If you do move on to play in college, you are going to be expected to throw a lot. Probably 6-7 days a week at some points. If pitching one day makes it impossible to throw the next, you really need to get your arm checked out. You are probably aggravating a chronic condition, and that isn't good for your long term...
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Re: Where can I play
Ok, I'll take a swing at this one since no one else has.......Kanye those are some impressive #s. Like, all of them. Was this your first showcase? Do you play summer ball for a showcase team? Are you new to the idea of playing college baseball? Your post reads as if you just happened to stumble into an Ivy showcase and have no clue about a recruiting process that for a 2017 is in its final phase. If you are what you say you are, then you have a lot to offer. Not sure what Ivy you were just...
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Re: Where can I play
Thanks for the reply. I was approached by an Ivy and Georgetown. I also just got an email from a NESCAC. I went up to the Georgetown camp a few weeks ago and was 85-87. My GPA is only a 3.1 uw and a 3.3 w so I am a little worried that this score is too low for these schools. My test score is a 34 only when superscored (33 reg) but I think most schools take the superscore. Is it true that Ivy recruiting is in it's final phase? I have only seen a few kids commit thus far in the summer. I...
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Without any other context, I'd be concerned about taking on an Ivy academically with a 3.1 GPA, and I would guess that your GPA would be a stumbling block in recruiting, though not necessarily an impassable one given your other numbers. Notwithstanding that, if you're sitting mid/upper 80s as a 2017, there's somewhere for you to play with that GPA and ACT. You should probably be further down the road than where you appear to be based on your questions here, though. If I were you, I'd be...
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Re: Where can I play
Your ACT is really high, while your GPA and uw GPA is low for Ivy and indicates lack of the rigor they want to see. There are certainly good D3 schools that would love to have you, but with your ACT and your velo, I'd spend a year or two at Juco kicking academic and baseball ass. If you do that you can take your pick of pretty much any school in the country.
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When my son went through recruiting the two interested Ivies were looking for an unweighted 3.5 with several AP courses plus a 1300+ SAT (Math and English). 1300+ is equal to a 28 ACT on the conversion chart I found. The NESCACs and comparable D3s he spoke with soph year were looking for the same. Maybe your 34 ACT score will allow a little leeway on grades. Is your 3.3 unweighted or weighted? If unweighted with a lot of AP and high honors classes it may be ok if the coach wants to really...
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My 2017 was at the same showcase, I think. How do you already know your velocity? Mine pitched too, and had some interest as well but no one said what he was at yesterday.
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Re: Where can I play
The short answer is yes, however you still have a lot to prove to the coaches and the Admission Committee. Pitching is more than MPH and a good student is much better than an average GPA with a high ACT. The ivy & nescac coaches take their direction from the admissions committee. If I was an Ivy coach I'd have alot of questions about your academic work ethic or possibly the high school you went to. I understand there can be extenuating circumstances with ultra competitive high schools.
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I have heard and seen there is a chart the Ivy's use to evaluate athletes. It gives a score based on your GPA, SAT, ACT, class rank. I cannot remember what it is called. But basically if I remember correctly a "normal" Ivy student's # is around 215 or higher. They allow a certain amount of athletes 200-210, 190-200, 180-190 and I think the lowest they allow is a 172. But there are only 1 or 2 of those players. If anyone can post what this chart is called...?? Also, just an FYI - normal...
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The chart you are referring to is called the academic index. Google it for all the info you need. The old adage is that the higher the velo, the lower the acceptable academic credentials needed.
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Here's a link and a little write-up on the AI from Tucker Frawley, Yale's Associate Head Coach who handles recruiting. http://www.frawleybaseball.com...23a10cf21038318d665a
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Re: Where can I play
Your velo has reached a level where an Ivy would be interested - but not close to the top of a recruiting class. Your ACT is fine. Your grades are the issue. For that to pass admissions, your HS better have an incredibly difficult curve, or have a narrative to explain the big difference between grades and scores. If you were the absolute top tier recruit (projected future Baseball America college all-star) for a school, the coach may be able to get you through admissions; otherwise probably...
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Re: Where can I play
With your grades an IVY is a super stretch. Even if you were god's gift to baseball, it would still be a super stretch. Your test scores will help -- but not that much on their own. Pretty much same is true of NESCAC. There are lots of kids with significantly better grades and equally good or better test scores that get turned down by such schools. Plus you velo -- though about average for starters at competitive D3's is not STANDOUT velo. What's the rest of your story? Do you have a...
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I was approached by a coach who told me. I think that is just because I threw so hard. Im sure you can email them to find out.
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
Once a player gets there, a player stays there. Virtually no attrition for an entire league.
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
A couple items of note.... In Cornell's case, they are both a public and private charter. So part of their funding comes from the SUNY system for agriculture, arts & science and a few other colleges within the University. In my experience, a couple transfers have come from the SUNY system. I don't know if Columbia is getting their transfers from SUNY system as both schools are in NY. They were the only schools listed as accepting transfers (edit in 2019) These schools frequently get...
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
I'm still trying to reconcile the transfers. Cornell current transfers com from GEORGIA HIGHLANDS COLLEGE , MOHAWK VALLEY CC , GEORGIA TECH 2018 - GEORGIA HIGHLANDS COLLEGE , GEORGIA TECH, COLLEGE OF SAN MATEO, KENYON, IONA Columbia 2019 - MCLENNAN , WHITMAN , RICE
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
Penn has had transfers on the roster in the not too distant past. I believe they have one right now.
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
Just looked at the graphic and see you have Penn down for a transfer in 2019. Sorry for my confusion.
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Re: NCAA-D1 Ivy League Conference Comparison 2017 - 2019
That's an honest mistake 9and7dad. Yes, tough to read the graphics. I had to break out the reading glasses for extra magnification. Regarding the Reshirt row.....No redshirting (5th year) and no graduate students in Ivy League athletics. Ivy athletes get 4 years of eligibility. If you have a year of NCAA eligibility left, it is possible to transfer to play elsewhere as a graduate student. Two of my son's teammates were injured their sophomore year and had a year of NCAA eligibility. They got...
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Was going to say the same thing. Not too much attrition from the draft either as more seniors are drafted than juniors. Along Fenway's note, RipkenFanSon had a teammate who was hurt early senior year last year (game 4 of season). He's playing at USC for his 4th year of eligibility as a grad student. Duke had a grad student pitcher drafted last year who had earlier earned his Ivy degree from Princeton.
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Agreed. the JPG file is hard to read. Release v1.2 will have new graphics library for college profile Current release Release v1.2
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
Well done. Sounds like a terrific event and one that can grow and grow into something special. Nice touch with the combo of (1) video and (2) coach's evaluations.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
Well done. With your offering and price point well worth it. We'll consider this, and I'm more than happy to pass it along to other club members.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
Add Navy and Holy Cross...with more Ivies are adjusting schedules to get here. If I am a smart player, why would I wait to get in front of these coaches? Also, why would I want to go to a camp with 250+ kids, when I can go to a more intimate setting? We will also have a panel of college coaches to discuss recruiting.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
RedB.., What about Georgetown? Obviously in your back yard...
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
Gov, Georgetown has been to our fall events and I fully anticipate they will be at the Academic event as well. We are not done adding coaches by any means. I expect 30-40 coaches at our event.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
It sounds perfect for our high academic 2017, and so nice it will be in DC. For us, the timing may not work as the Diamond Nation 17U tournament is that same weekend (tourney is 6/19-6/24), and that is a tournament that normally pulls in quite a few high academic coaches as well. And sadly it is on our schedule for the summer. It will be another case of, you can't do both.
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
Excited to announce our Academic Showcase will be held at DeMatha HS's field in Riverdale, MD. Details at coastalvabaseball.com
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
I actually think you most likely could do both - the Diamond Nation Tourney the 19th-22nd and then the showcase the 23rd/24th. It would depend on when the Diamond Nation games were and if the team you are playing for is strong enough that you'd think you'd be in the last few games (semis and final) as that would be one way you'd be assured that your team is at Diamond Nation (on their fields) and in front of a majority of the scouts in attendance. I happened to look back at this thread and...
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Re: Academic Showcase - June 23-24 in Washington DC Area
We would love to have you. Registrations are coming in and we haven't really advertised it.
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
In summary, the answers to your Ivy questions are that he would have to walk-on after being admitted. The time for your son to receive athletic sponsorship and support from the Coach is past unless there are extenuating circumstances. He would have to apply (late), be admitted (late) and walk-on which is not going to be easy since the Regular Decision deadline was early Jan 2016. If he has been accepted and the D3 coach wants him & supported him through high academic admissions why are...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
A few years ago a friend's son blossomed his senior year. His high school team was loaded. He didn't get on the mound until senior year. He absolutely dominated. All the local D1s expressed interest. One was an Ivy. The dad had attended the Ivy for undergrad and law school. He couldn't manage any pull. The kid was told he had to get accepted outside baseball. He didn't. He ended up pitching in the A10. By senior year roster spots are typically filled. At an academically elite school the...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
DaddyO just so you know, Fenway is the guy here. Even though I know much less than he's forgotten I'll wade into say 2 things. One, I think your son missed the boat. If he wants to play baseball at a top academic D1 I think his best option is to take a gap year and work in getting recruited for next year at Ivies, Patriot league schools, etc. With his academics, worst case scenario is that he has to go through the trouble of re-applying to the UC's and others again. Two, sometimes you get...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
His thoughts were that he didn't cast as big of a net as he should have, but the reality is that he was a borderline prospect 9 months ago who did not attend the camps that would have gotten him a look, and if he had he still would have not been the prospect he is now. He's applied to a few D3 schools with support, and has been honest with the coaches in that he is considering multiple schools. I'd figured the ship had sailed for the Ivy League, but was probably more interested in late...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
" He's also been admitted to several D1 schools that offered no support in admissions but are giving him the basic "you can walk on" email." Most of the D1s have locked up their recruiting and spent the available scholarship dollars at this point for the 2016s and probably most 2017s, too. However, there are ~7+ players on each team that are not getting athletic scholarship dollars, and are vying for a spot. If your son gets his pitching numbers up, there could be an opportunity. Many D3s...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
I agree with JCG about the US News rankings. A student may have to make a choice between playing baseball or going to a top 50 ranked USN school without playing baseball. An aside - I understand that the OP's son isn't interested in a list of possibilities outside a top 50 school, yet for others reading this thread who are looking at colleges with a child, I want to point out that some students with a high ACT score and enough AP passing test scores make JuCo a non-possibility. A student...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
Daddyo, Okay, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, unfortunetly I think he's missed the D1 & Ivy boat, but that it fine. He's got options to academically elite D3 schools as you described them, and an opportunity to play D3 baseball. That is nothing to sneeze at, and frankly an opportunity that not many people get. Considering the limited exposure your son demonstrated in front of college coaches, I'd say he got more than his fair share of attention if multiple coaches supported him.
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
Not much to add here, but walk-ons do sometimes, if rarely make it. Had a nephew who was a recruited walk-on at a low ranked midwestern D1 and he was cut. Still at the school cause he loves it. ON the other hand, son's HS teammate was a recruited as a walk-on to a UC, he too was cut. Played club ball for a year and is now at a JC. But on the flip side, my son's travel team teammate was a recruited walked on at Big 10 school, played his tail off in fall ball, absolutely raked during the fall...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?
When my son was a junior in HS, the starting catcher received an offer and committed to a high academic small liberal arts D3 during the spring of his senior year. It can happen. The cards shuffle for D3 just like D1 (school thought they had a commit, now a spot is open) - just a little later.