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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

9and7dad ·
You've gotten some excellent advice - it's really too late for D1 recruiting unless a school has a unique situation arise. I'm curious, what do you see as his primary position? If you mentioned that earlier and I missed it, I apologize. The only other option you might consider is a post graduate prep school year. That gets him another whole year to both mature athletically and have another shot at recruiting. There are several elite preps on the east coast (that's my area of knowledge, there...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

Goosegg ·
In looking at your sons's athletic history and clear enjoyment and success at playing multiple sports, I wonder if choosing a school which has club sports in his sports may provide the athletics he needs. Or were you looking to leverage baseball to get into a school he wouldn't otherwise be admitted? I know that the Ivies generally do not reach the NCAA roster limit and kids walk on (get through admissions on their own) frequently. If your son is a late bloomer whose baseball skills add to...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

daddyO ·
Thanks for all the responses here and assistance. I'll try to address as much of the feedback as a I can. He wants to play an NCAA sport and get that experience. In the end he knows he needs to pick a school where he would be happy if he broke his leg on the first day of classes. He'd choose a great fit/school over a less good fit where he could play an NCAA sport. I guess he wants the best of both worlds, and as a 18 year old this is the time to have these dreams. He didn't apply at any of...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

fenwaysouth ·
Daddyo, As others have pointed out, it could be a possibility that your son gets picked up his senior year after a D1 committed recruit decommits or fails to get admitted. It does happen and nearly happened to my son his junior year with an SEC school. However, the big difference is the SEC school had seen my son play a dozen times over the spring and summer…they knew who he was and what he was capable of. Your senior son is an unknown quantity to a lot of these D1 schools in the middle of...
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RJM ·
Does your son want to pound his chest and say he was on a D1? Or is getting on the field more important? Players should go where they are loved not where there's just some interest. When there's just interest chances are there's a recruit ahead of him at his position (maybe two) who are getting love. Be a player not an insurance policy for the coach.
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

daddyO ·
At this point if he had to decide he'd go with the one that loves him, but since he's still dating and not engaged or married, he's still looking for other suitors that might fall in love with him.
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

6thatturnedouttobe9 ·
Your son sounds like a lot of kids that straddle the D1/D3 threshold. I am not sure what position he plays primarily or what kind of hitter he is against elite pitching or if he even knows, but it sounds like his 85 off the mound is the real spark for the inquiry. While the exit velo. sounds pretty good, based on my observations, there is a LOT more that goes into being projected as a successful hitter at the D1 level than exit velo; I know a multitude of kids who can hit elite high-level...
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daddyO ·
All good stuff, thanks for the input.
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Ripken Fan ·
Very true 6... tobe9 For those players, once one D1 shows interest, others may follow. Sort of like it's easier to get a job if you already have one. Tough enough to get an offer let alone waiting for the D1. How many of our sons have heard the RCs say, "what other schools are looking at you?" Your answer can determine how "convinced" they are.
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Gov ·
Good context... Sent you a PM
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leftyshortstop ·
I got a kick out of the OPs post. My son had identical numbers to the OPs son and turned down an Ivy to attend a highest academic D3 where he thought he'd get everyone out, be a two way player, and a four time All-America. Well, he couldn't get anyone out until he was a Junior throwing high 80's. The All-America finally came but it was a long hard road! All turned out great but it was super hard and he never regretted the high academic D3 over the Ivy. Be careful what you wish for. It looks...
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Re: Too late for elite academic recruiting for 2016 grad?

leftyshortstop ·
One more thing for the OP. Each team has at least 25 players but only 9 play and some of those nine are failing. That means the vast majority of college baseball players leave the sport having failed, and are, by and large, unhappy about it. Pick the place where you are going to succeed......in the classroom.
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

CTbballDad ·
My 2019 RHP topped 82 as a sophomore, but not as tall as your son. Here's the path we took (everyone's is different): Played legion summer of rising sophomore and junior year, focusing on developing his craft Attend college camps in fall, after developing list of interested schools, continue email dialogue Played regional travel team and attended camps summer of rising junior year Son received multiple D1 and NESCAC offers. Sounds like the first bullet above may be important for your son, as...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

cabbagedad ·
Hi and welcome to the posting side. Considering he is targeting IVY or HA D3, he has time. Combining that with the concerns you state about "playing to please rather than himself", I would continue to be patient. While baseball can help get students into certain schools, you know well that it is a heavy commitment and the desire needs to exceed the notion of using it as a vehicle to get in. No doubt you are plenty capable of evaluating the numbers, skill set and projectability. I suspect he...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

Goosegg ·
I assume you have the academics part of the equation down, but I'd have him taking the SAT/ACT as soon as possible once he's ready. Also, since you're in Maryland, there are ample opportunities for quick trips to visit lots of HA's (which seem to concentrate in the East). That will help determine the type of school he thinks he likes. Rather than showcase before he has something which stands out, I'd pay instead for top of the pack personal PC and strength trainer skilled in pitchers. My son...
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BaseballDad72 ·
Thanks guys for the quick responses. My experience (graduated HS in 1991) was you play high school, play legion, hit a few area camps. For me, I performed well at a few camps and got an offer. It seemed much more casual than the baseball machine that exists today. It's nice to see alternative paths still exist. In the end, we're really lucky to have a good, smart kid with some choices to make. If he decides to go for it, I just want him to understand what it will take, i.e. make an informed...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

BaseballDad72 ·
Noted on the velo Gooseg. I watch a lot of SEC and ACC baseball. They might look for 90+, but a lot of RHP I see are mid to high 80s. But you're right, low to mid 80's back in the day could get you in at a mid to lower level DI program as a RHP. Not so much today.
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

fenwaysouth ·
So, there are a couple things your son is going to need to do to get an Ivy coach's attention. He's going to have to nail his SAT/ACTs and then demonstrate he's got the stuff to compete at the mid to low D1 level. To accomplish these things he is going to need to take care of business and focus over the next 15 months. For a HA D3 he would have more time probably 18 months. But the bottom line is this is not easy stuff, he has to have something tangible to show any college coach. For your...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

Goosegg ·
Fenway makes a great point about leading with academics; it's logistically so much easier to start with a pile of guys who have a shot of admission (as athletes) and find the baseball skills than the other way around. With that thought in mind, on all campus visits son had a sealed envelop of grades and scores (updated as he aged) to give to any baseball coach he ran into; on every campus visit on our college route he would take a whack at seeing the baseball department (alone). Tail end of...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

BBMomAZ ·
I recommend taking the SAT and ACT as soon as possible (summer/fall) and make sure he takes at least some challenging AP and/or Honors classes in his junior year while maintaining a high GPA. We found with our son that being able to demonstrate to HA coaches that the academic eligibility component was taken care of prior to/early in the junior year was a big advantage. They were primarily interested in weighted GPA. If your son wants to pursue it, try to attend a HA camp, such as HeadFirst,...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

BaseballDad72 ·
Hey, couple more things...Aren't PSAT scores good enough if in 1400-1450 range to show IVY coaches? Does it have to be actual SAT? We'd prefer him to prep and take SAT in spring of Junior year. Also, what are thoughts on doing showcases PO versus PO and position as it pertains to the pitcher athlete perception. My kid has played varsity since freshman year and has been blocked in OF by upper classman so he's sort of become a PO but still has ability (not DI level) as hitter/OF. Curious to...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

2022NYC ·
Do Ivies look at sophs?
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

fenwaysouth ·
Yes, they look at sophs. There are a few posters on HSBBWeb that have shared their recruiting situations with me over the years. Ivys look at many, many recruits because they have to. If a young recruit is demonstrating D1 level capabilities and has taken the SAT or ACT to meet their requirements they are going to want to talk. Remember, the Ivys are competing against other D1 schools for talent.
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

Iowamom23 ·
I know nothing about IVYS. Summer before freshman year in high school, his youth coach told us he could play college baseball and would likely start for HS the next year. I got on this site and started doing research. When he actually DID become a starting pitcher the next year, we told son the following: If you want to do the work to get to college baseball, here's the deal. We will finance showcases, a travel team, some camps, etc. IF you do the work of arranging lessons, put what you...
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2022NYC ·
Thanks. Are PSAT scores in consideration in lieu of ACT/SAT? How are grades evaluated?
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Goosegg ·
Re: when to take the tests. As soon as he has a shot at the score needed - the earlier the better. There is no penalty to taking multiple tests. The earliest ACT test, I believe, is September; that gives him the summer to study. Waiting until spring could mean a testing logjam if he needs to take the ACT/SAT again (a very normal occurance), plus multiple AP tests, plus HS baseball. There are 56 kids per year getting into the IVIes for baseball; the competition for one of those spots is as...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

anotherparent ·
Trying to take SAT/ACT tests in the spring or summer is very difficult, because baseball is played on most Saturdays. Is he going to skip a game? For Ivies and other high-academics you will also have to figure out a time to take SAT subject tests, that eats up another Saturday test date. The fall and winter are much easier to schedule (unless your son is playing football). For that matter, if you play in fall baseball tournaments/showcases, that eats yet more Saturdays. So, there are really...
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Re: Getting on Radar as Soph.

9and7dad ·
I believe at least some of the Ivies no longer require subject tests. Doesn't mean a kid shouldn't take them, but I don't believe they are required, at least not at all. My guess is it would be easy enough to research on the admissions site for each school. The earlier the better on the SAT in terms of baseball timing. The Ivy timeline appears to be moving up in an effort to keep up with earlier and earlier baseball recruiting and commitment in general.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

NorCalBBDad ·
Please let us know your decision and how things have been going.
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

leftyshortstop ·
I want to be completely honest with the poster about the number and odds for the "crafty lefty" pitcher in top academic baseball. The very high academic school my son plays for has only one. That player only does late inning mop up work and gets hit very hard. For that matter, we have a 6'3" lefty who throws north of 85 who is a weekend starter and gets hit very hard if his breaking stuff isn't on. So here are the odds at our school. The coaching staff recruits nationally for only 6 "tips"...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

AcademicsFirst ·
Thanks craftyshortstop.....great info from someone who is currently watching heir son play D3 baseball. He still has two more years left, so we'll see where his velo ends up but I'm assuming if he get into the low 80s, he may get some looks being a lefty and with his grades. if not...im sure he'll go to a good University, join a fraternity and have just as good a time. ....remembering that most of these HS and college players will never make a living playing baseball. Good luck to your so...
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web's dad ·
AcademicsFirst, You're getting a lot of good advice here. A good reality check. Your son is not "projectible". He's a grinder. You seem to be doing all the right things to give your son the best chance to figure out where he belongs. Your son's academics will open doors for him. For the "grinders", at some point it becomes a matter of how hard he is willing to work. Web is a "grinder". He surpassed more physically gifted players because he was willing to out work them. Don't give up on...
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fenwaysouth ·
Totally agree with web's dad. AF - You have a dialogue in the top right box of the web page.
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AcademicsFirst ·
Thanks webs dad and you are definitely right. He's always fought the battle of being a smaller kid even back through playing Pony ball, so it's nothing he isn't use to. Hoping he can grow another 3-4" in the next year and a half, which would put him at 6'. He's playing on a Connie Mack team this summer, besides for playing on his Varsity summer team, so he'll go up against some solid hitters all summer long, which should help him. Yeah, that's what I love about this site...such great...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

cabbagedad ·
Originally Posted by AcademicsFirst: ..Hoping he can grow another 3-4" in the next year and a half, which would put him at 6'. ... AF, I know you commented on the reaching 6' partially in jest but be careful with that. I had that type of dialog with my son and it took him longer than it should have to accept his height and focus totally on what he can do with what he has instead of what he can't do because of what he doesn't have. If sub-6' is likely to stick, keep pointing out the players...
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AcademicsFirst ·
Cabbage...you are absolutely right. It's kinda funny because he always tells me you grow when you sleep, so he try's to get as much sleep as he can, which usually means going to bed earlier than I thought he would. But we really don't talk about height too much. He knows it will be what it is...and no, I'm 5'10 and his mom 5'7, so we didn't get that lucky. He eats very healthy and he try's to have a protein shake once a day after practice, so the rest will be left up to nature.
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

Picked Off ·
AF All good posts here. I know of a crafty lefty here in CA that 2 years ago max'd out 78 at a PG Showcase listed at 5'8" 140 lbs. Our travel team faced him several times over the years & struggled to make solid contact.He is now listed at 5' 11' 175 lbs. & I'm told he sits mid 80's. and is still known as a crafty lefty. He committed to a DI high academic school this past November. I'm sure grades had a lot to do with it, but being a crafty lefty did as well. My point is that your...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

fenwaysouth ·
In the context of most D3 academic schools.......If your screen name reflects his desires, his future academics and baseball team will most likely be determined by continued strong GPA and future SAT/ACT scores. Top academic schools recruit their baseball players through academics . Occidental and Hopkins are examples, but there are more such as the NESCAC conference. So, he'll want to be one of the best baseball players to get the coaches "tip", and have the best grades to get the...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

MidAtlanticDad ·
Check the on-line rosters of the teams that you mentioned (Oxy, UCSD, CSM, etc). Height and weigh don’t tell the whole story, but it should give you an idea of what’s typical. Of course, focus on the LHPs. You might also find profiles for some of those kids on the Perfect Game site, and that will list their pitching velocity. Also, use the Perfect Game site to see the recent classes who committed to schools that he is interested in. The “College Commitments” list will link you to player...
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J H ·
Not to sound blunt or rude, but I'd suggest taking a step back and waiting until he plays varsity baseball before looking at college baseball. Lots can happen in that timeframe.
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AcademicsFirst ·
Thanks guys...as always, great advice. Speaking to a local ex scout who runs a Connie Mack and scout team here in Socal, said that there is college baseball out there for everyone if they are realistic, so I've always tried to keep things in perspective. JH...you're not gonna hurt my feelings. Like I've said, I've never told my son or thought he would ever make $ playing baseball. He's always fought through not passing the eye test, but he's still growing and has gotten where be has cause he...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

J H ·
AcademicsFirst- Good thought process. I apologize if I came off as blunt, I've just seen a lot of people in your position going way overboard in relation to the process. I've seen 96 mph fastballs in D3 baseball and 75 mph fastballs in D1 baseball. The only thing you can do as a player is work as hard as you can to be the best you can possibly be, both in the classroom and on the field. Once the time comes, getting a gauge of where you stand is easier than some think. If you get yourself...
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Re: 2015 LHP D2/D3 Options

cabbagedad ·
Participation in the SoCal Scout league along with acceptance and attendance at the better Stanford camp (and/or a PG event) will give you both a real good idea where he stacks up. I've heard that statement about "there's a college for every player" before and I don't really agree. Realistically, the average player will finds it very surprising how competitive even most D3's and NAIA's are. Many decent/average HS players (not saying your son is), have to be willing to travel to the far...
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AcademicsFirst ·
Great points Cabbage...haha, if his velo stays where it is for the next two years, I'll be the first one telling him to go get his degree from Berkley or UCLA. He works out weekly with Trevor Bauer's pitching coach he had when he was in HS, so we'll see how his strength and velocity increases this next year. In the meantime, I'm just thankful he doesn't NEED baseball to get into a good College. Playing baseball would just be an added bonus.
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AcademicsFirst ·
Thanks J H...I totally agree with you.
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RJM ·
Check out Head First showcases. They're for kids who are more academically inclined.
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

RJM ·
Most of the athletes I know/know of who prepped a year between high school and Ivy were already recruited athletically and screened by admissions as likely to be accepted. Often the Ivy wanted to see the kid perform academically in a more challenging environment than his high school. The kids I know/know of that went to ISL’s didn’t prep for a year regardless of their age. Have you considered NESCACs or Centennials?
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

CTbballDad ·
You grades are amazing, congratulations! Your baseball measurables are also very strong. Before you consider a PG year, are you sure you're no longer being considered as a 2019? As the bright kid you are, I would first take a leap and call these Ivy coaches and see if you can get some insight, a campus visit, etc. Sorry I didn't address your question, I just wouldn't assume the 2019 door is closed until you exhaust all options. BTW, the PG I know we're neither good enough academically nor...
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

9and7dad ·
Are you considering all Ivies or do you have your heart set on Columbia?
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Re: Postgraduate Year or Gap Year for Ivy League Recruiting (2019 Grad)

Feelgood77 ·
Thanks for your response. I guess I don't fit the description of those who prepped before going to an Ivy since my grades are fine but my baseball skills are lacking. In regards to your question, I am currently talking with the Johns Hopkins coach which is in the Centennial and should take a visit some time this fall. I know that the NESCACs and other Centennials are fantastic schools, but they seem to be very liberal arts focused which I am quite confident I do not want to study (I think I...
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