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Re: 2022 - Where can I get a good assessment?
Take him to tryouts for the Top 10 or so travel ball teams in SoCal/AZ. If he makes any of the A teams that is a very good sign. 86 and size will get him D1 offers this coming summer if he has an off speed and can get the ball within the vicinity of the plate. I don't know how much he has been throwing or playing this fall but start making some phone calls to set up workouts. I know a few teams from the travel circuit, I'm sure the CA guys on here can point you in the right direction as well...
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Agree, we know several lefties that are hitting 87-88, but even non P5 D1s are wanting the 90. Granted, done of them are 6'4, and that plays into it. Assuming he isn't maxed out on velo, he projects D1. Take him to some camps at schools he is interested in. If they start falling all over him, you know you are in the right pond.
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If this is the first time he’s hearing this, with that size and metrics I would be shocked. Where the heck are you playing ball at that this kid isn’t already on a ton of radars?!
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College camps - not likely unless they take a particular interest in you. Any assessment, if there is one, will be as you said - boilerplate with probably a positive spin but not likely to be specific direction with regard to which level you should be targeting unless it is clearly lower levels, which does not apply here. The exception would be if you or your travel team coaches know a RC or HC who will be there and ask specifically if they can take a look and give that assessment. Again,...
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PABaseball, thanks for the advice. Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams?
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That is far from what I am seeing. 87-88 as a LHP will get you an offer (D1)
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collegebaseballrecruitingguide, he has heard some positive feedback from a few people, but he hasn't been in the travel ball circuit since the age of eight and has made some major improvements in the last year. He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them.
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Your son has the frame and measurables to be a sure fire D1 prospect. I would make a list of schools he would like to go to and get in front of them ASAP. 6’4” LHP hitting 86 MPH at such a young age, will have coaches falling over themselves. Personally, I would also convert him to a PO so he can focus on all the small things related to pitching.
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2 LHP kids we play with have documented velos 87-89, and aren't getting anything.
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Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams? If you can't find a PBR event in California you could try Trosky Baseball - they do a lot of events and do measurements. If you do not know who are the top travel teams in SoCal, and you don't know anyone who does, this is what I would do -- I can't promise it will work 100% but I bet it will be close. I would open up MaxPreps in one window, and I would pick a few of the top SoCal baseball teams in the state...
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He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them. If he went to the AZ Sophomore Cassic I’m guessing the program is somewhat focused on college recruiting, that’s the point of the Classics.
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LousyLefty, good point. He was asked to play as a guest player on a more recruiting-oriented team.
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I would take a look at teams that attended (and did well) Perfect Game WWBA and Jupiter, and USA Baseball Team Championships. The list will include BPA, CBA, GBG, SD Show for starters.
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Varies greatly depending on the region of the country we are talking about. Texas is full of hard throwing pitchers from both sides. Some other areas not so much.
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GBG, CBA, BPA, SD Show, SD Stars, Trosky. There are more, the CA guys on here might be more help - these are just the teams we've run into over the years. You can also go to some of the D1 pages in the area and see who some of the pitchers on UCLA, USC, LB, CSUF, etc played for over the summer in their roster bio or search some of the guys on Perfect Game and see.
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Just browsing PG's rankings for TX 2020s, it looks like at least 90% are committed to colleges in TX, OK, LA. Lots of uncommitted guys (on PG anyway) who on paper could get scholarship offers in the northeast/midatlantic and maybe midwest. What do you think are the main reasons more TX kids don't pursue those opportunities? Weather, finances, level of baseball, juco options, culture?
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I think most Texas kids attend regional tournaments because quality is good. Most of those schools don’t travel that far regularly. I also think those schools don’t try to recruit Texas kids as much because there are so many schools right around here. Arizona (not northeast but same idea) told us that they typically never recruit Texas kids because they can’t get them, they will go somewhere closer to home. That’s all I can come up with. If the schools made the trip out here, strong arms are...
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Great question. I noticed this when Collegebaseballinsights was posting all the data. You would think Texas would be an outlier like California and Florida, sending more of the surplus of good players beyond in-state and neighboring states. Since so many of the other variables are similar, my guess would be that culture moves up the list. It looks like TX has 36 Juco's with baseball. California has 88 - not terribly out of line with population differences, but if anything, that would push...
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The thing Texas has over California is proximity to another hotbed of baseball across the Southeast that is similar culturally to Texas. A Texas kid is going to feel a lot more at home in AR, MS, AL, LA, GA, TN etc than they will in the North East or Midwest. California doesn't really have a cultural equivalent so if the kid is leaving the state he is adjusting to a new culture regardless.
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It's not necessarily the kids choice. Coaches recruit players and usually have the most success recruiting close to home, so this is where they spend their time. It's not easy for kids to convince a coach from other parts of the country to take a look at a kid from CA, TX, etc.
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Agree with this. I grew up in southern California and I can tell you from experience that I, and the majority of my friends/peers, never really seriously considered going outside of California for college. Not that that was right or wrong, it just was. Also, my son went to a few camps out there (early on), mostly because the grandparents still live there, and found that most of the top programs in socal are made up of a very high percentage of California kids. Even more so than you see on...
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I'm from Southern Cal. While it's a fact that Cal schools have mostly Cal kids (similar to other states), i can name dozens of kids who attended and/or were recruited by out of state schools. I personally know kids who played D1 at every Ivy school, most Patriot league schools, Clemson, LSU, New Mexico (both state and U), Arizona (state and U), Miami of Ohio, Indiana, Oregon (State and U), Charleston, Maryland, Washington, Purdue, Nevada, to name a few. As for D3, even more. Coaches will...
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Goosegg, since this thread has gone a little off-track, care to go a little further? What would you suggest are part of a well-thought out plan for a SoCal kid who may have to leave to leave the land of eternal summer to find a good academic and baseball fit? My 2022LHP is strong academically and projects to be D1 (6'1" still growing,throwing low 80's but doesn't have his "man body" muscles yet, 155lbs soaking wet, clearly still in puberty) but who knows...The problem is that many of the...
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How realistic is it to be an Engineering major and a D1 baseball player? I am just throwing it out there because one of my son's teammates was told directly by a school (D3) they prefer not to recruit engineering majors due to the workload..... Just relaying what I heard.
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The never ending battle for superiority between Texas and California has emerged in this thread, but thank you all for the great comments. For posterity, I will summarize the advice I have received so far. *Take him to a PBR showcase to get published numbers (thanks DESERTDUCK, NYCDAD, and BASEBALLHS) *Contact a local junior college coach for a workout and feedback (thanks CABBAGEDAD) *Post a highlight video to this site and let the hsbaseballweb.com community evaluate him (thanks...
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I know it's going to be hard to find a good fit which is why I think we'll have to cast a wider net. Already spent a lot of time looking at schools here in CA that would maybe be a good fit baseball-wise but might be a small step down academically. Had to cross some off the list as there were zero rostered players in engineering going back 2/3 years. He projects D1 (maybe, who knows, I hate guessing) but I don't think he'd mind going lower if it was a good fit academically. For now we...
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Ask Fenwaysouth's son - he did it -- at an Ivy League school nonetheless! Good things come to those who hustle. --Chuck Noll
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6'4 205 LHP touching 86 as a sophomore gets him an offer at any mid-major in the Midwest...and likely some of the bigger D1's if he can throw strikes. If you haven't already done so, get a video together of him on the mound and have his measurables verified by someone. Send it to RC's of schools he's interested in. You'll get some responses. As others have said, if he can be 87-88 this summer, you'll have plenty of interest. My son is an assistant at a NAIA school here in Ohio. I'm sure...
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Lousylefty, there are many threads here regarding combination of engineering and baseball. You can search by topic. On one hand, realistically, it does narrow the schools down considerably. On the other hand, a player with a high skill set and the desire to pursue the engineering major is highly regarded and sought after by that smaller pool of schools. As Qhead suggested, Fenway will also be a tremendous resource. I know of a handful of schools at lower levels but sounds like your player...
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Check out Cal Poly. Great engineering school and a quality D1 baseball program.
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Not D1 but in California one of the better Engineering schools already exists. And I am not talking Cal-tech. Harvey Mudd. https://www.usnews.com/best-co...171/overall-rankings They partner Claremont and Scripps to field a team in the sciac. The coach there used to be the coach at Div 1 Cornell, so he is well versed in High academic schools. https://www.cmsathletics.org/s...enbach_bill?view=bio If your son is not a realistic Pro Prospect, it might be a good alternative. Be aware their...
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Lefty, sent you a PM, but thought I'd give a speil on this thought: "I'm not ready to have the conversation that he may have to choose one dream over the other, yet." No kid NEEDS to sacrifice non-baseball career aspirations to play baseball. If a kid has pro-potential, he will be found NO MATTER WHERE HE PLAYS. If he simply wants to enjoy college as an athlete, virtually every college can fit that bill. Now, there are many colleges where a player WILL sacrifice potential careers (majors);...
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Most HC's dislike any curriculum which requires "labs" late in the week. It's very difficult to be an athlete, let alone a D1 athlete with its aggressive schedule and pursue a technical degree. Even with top D3 HA's it's difficult. Caltech and MIT are the exceptions, because athletics revolve around technical programs. The Cornell HC told our club program head the past season he was trying to avoid recruiting too many players with engineering aspirations.
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CoachLD, this is kinda funny... I'm California throwing out a Colorado example (School of Mines) and you're Colorado throwing out a California example. Poly is in my back yard (25 minute drive). These two schools represent some interesting dynamics with the choices a player with engineering path will be faced with. Cal Poly is often a top 25 ranked D1 baseball program. The engineering program is absolutely top notch but the school has a full breadth of other majors and I don't believe very...
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Just to consolidate a list of schools who routinely have multiple Engineering majors on their rosters... Lehigh UCSD Trinity TX Rose Hulman Case Western Reserve Milwaukee School of Engineering Merchant Marine Academy Colorado School of Mines Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Johns Hopkins Stevens Institute MIT Cal Tech Air Force, Navy, Army Embry-Riddle WVU Tech University of Texas at Dallas Ohio Northern Swarthmore No particular order. Additions and corrections are welcome.
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As noted by someone earlier - MIT. Just look at that roster, its the odd player who is not in engineering. Great school and competitive baseball team. Just to note your list has only one D1 team listed.
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Service Academy's are great engineering options. The HC's fully support all degrees pursued and have tutors travel with the team. Play D1 baseball, jump out of planes, fly gliders, fly fighters, be an astronaut....What's not to like. Go AF.
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Yup. The size will also be very attractive, but even a 5'11" LHP throwing 87 will get all sorts of D1 interest. There gets to be a certain point where you actually have to show that you can pitch, but a 2022 LHP who has touched 86 is intriguing. BTW, start working on those marks and test scores! That can also help out a coach/RC a lot, and will widen out the schools that he can have appeal for.
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KNOWNOTHINGDAD sorry for hijacking your post. I'm thinking we will run into eachother at a PBR event in January (nothing listed on website right now but they've had them the last two years) Everyone else, thank you for all your insight and the great schools to start what will probably be a long list of potential matches. Gov, for the longest time Lefty wanted to go to an academy. Until he found out he'd have to jump off something high. Kid doesn't like heights. Perfect fit other than that...
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University of Texas-Dallas always seems to get overlooked when list of engineering schools that play good baseball gets tossed around. Not sure why it stays under the radar in terms of public awareness, but it does. Top notch engineering school and very good D3 baseball. Some baseball players are engineering majors and coaching staff will make some accommodations for them.
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Ohio Northern And as previously listed Harvey Mudd
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My kid thinks KnowNothing's son is D1. Two caveats - he's 15 years old and he catches him on a travel team. Joking aside, I wanted to say that I turned KnowNothingDad onto this website and y'all didn't disappoint with your advice and info. Thanks to all.
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Both Fenwaysouth's and my son played college baseball and received engineering degrees. The list of schools above is a good start, Cal Poly and UCDavis both have had engineering students on their rosters, plus the Ivy's, and Stanford. We found out late in the process that STEM and D1 baseball is pretty much incompatible, except for a few cases and it almost requires that the player be a pitcher as they can come and go and get their work in independent of the team. Unless your son is a...
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I echo BOF. Many regular students start; most switch. Add in a sport and. . . . . I will add, however, that those that successfully traverse this crucible are amongst the most sought after graduates.
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This became a major factor in my son's recruiting journey. He wants to do civil engineering (eventually architecture) and play baseball. Once he started serious conversations with coaches, he learned quickly how critical it would be to find a school where this combination was supported by both coaches and faculty. Some HAs (even an Ivy with a strong engineering program) told him they "don't really have any engineering majors on their rosters"... I agree with Gov that the service academies...