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here is an uneducated opinion based on the facts I skimmed, I assume they are not 100% complete and probably only somewhat accurate... Will it hurt to not play school, maybe some but maybe not, it won't be a deal breaker if he is a good kid and good player. Should there be some other resolution outside of a freshman walking off and quitting the team? absolutely.
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Is there a chance it went down like this: Assistant coach is the only one keeping track of who is injured and who isn't and he was off when your kid started pitching. After the third inning of your kid was pitching he walked out, saw who was on the mound and then told the other coaches "we have a problem". At that point he called your kid over and said "Are you even allowed to be running yet?" Meaning....aren't you still hurt kid? Your kid responds with a cocky singsong answer “my doctor...
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Just as you obtain information on the HS coach, he too gets information, sometimes years in advance of a player heading his way. So, forming an opinion before one gets the opportunity to prove what they're about is a two way street. You don't have to like the coach or his program, but you do have to respect it. Your player needs to work this out on his own and simply get to an understanding with the coach. Learn what it means to be humble and work his tail off getting better. That is how you...
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The coach must have one redeeming quality eh? - he picked your son as an 8th grader and you seemed like you were thrilled by that. If he was such a bad guy, why not extricate yourselves from the situation then? You seem more politically connected than most (all?) I've seen post here. You seem to know what every other coach and former player thinks of this coach and have no qualms about swapping stories about this coach - behind his back no less. Perhaps you have poisoned the well with your...
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I was a HS athlete and understand the mindset that it takes to be a successful one. I had to have a what the southerners call a "come to Jesus meeting" with my son when he was 12. The gist of the meeting was "The days of you sliding by on your natural ability are OVER, you need to loose that chip on your shoulder and actually listen to what your coaches are telling you, or you can sit on the bench. I won't be defending you to your coaches, or asking what you did wrong, or fixing it. You need...
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My advice is that whether you not it or not, you seem like you are being "that dad". I would back away and have the boy meet with the coach. The coaching fraternity is so small, that you don't want a negative feeling out there in regards to your son, or you. Both could be detrimental to your son. From some of the posts above, I think your son is partially responsible for the negative relationship with the coaches. He needs to make it right with them and conform to the rules of the team. If...
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Oh man, quit! As the parent of a 2020 I'm telling you you are going WAY overboard. You are now going to pay the baseball coach...what $50 for some one on one time with your kid? Why? Okay, quick word of advice from someone who is SURROUNDED by people who are doing exactly what you are doing, just stop! Fly under the radar, let your kid fly under the radar and only shine when it comes to what he can do on the field. This advice is under great debate on this board but in my opinion you should...
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You're welcome Seriously, though, hope you report back with the results of the meeting and if some of this feedback affected your position going into the meeting. Most importantly, hope things work out for the best for your son.
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Your son is in 8th grade and you're going to talk to the coach? The first time I I talk to one of my kid's coaches about them would be the next time. And they're past college. As in it never happened. I let them sell themselves. I let them deal with their own situations (which were few). Oh, I had one conversation with each travel coach (two kids) on what I could afford for college. One time I was really pissed at the high school coach. My son told me to get over it. He already had.
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"I have even gone as far as getting some one-on-one instruction with his coach at the baseball academy to show my son that he is not some monster." imho OUCH. That's going to far the other way and if not handled right can lead to other problems with parents who know that you did it. I've seen this scenario not work out for everybody involved, meeting with the coach about your son is NOT GOOD. Perhaps I am reading too much into what has transpired, but if they feel they have to meet with you...
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I know you said "enough" on the advice but I had this thought earlier that I think may be helpful to you and, possibly, your son. A few times now, you have correlated how well your son pitched with expected acceptance of him as part of the program. As a HS coach, I want players who can perform well. But, I demand players who can be good teammates and behave up to the standards we set for the program. I don't care how good the kid plays if he can't be a good citizen, representative of what...
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I have been down the strong HS coach vs academy coaches who know the boy better then anyone...you can't win don't go there. Have your son give the HS coach a polite head nod (do it sincerely) and never ever say I have been taught different. Just do what the man asks and forget it when you leave. Occasionally you find the HS has a good idea, don't be afraid to hang onto good ideas that work for you.
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You have an absolute right to talk to the coach. Your son is 14 or 15 years old. People that tell you to let your child sort things out with a grown man are simply baffling to me. We don't let high school kids have responsibility for saying no to sexual advances from their teachers. Why should athletes have to, with out exceptions, deal with coaches or teachers or other adults. Adolescents simply do not have the experience, skill, tools, power or authority necessary to handle any number of...
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Old school, decisiveness and manner of motivation are a coach's prerogative. The boy should probably learn to live with those types of things. However, these things too can cross the line. Listen carefully, and take care not to try to tell the guy how to coach his team. It's a touchy, nuanced matter. I do think that parents have a right to demand that coaches not only perform well, but that they lead their children well.
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I don't disagree with this, I just recommend acting like you are listening closely even if you aren't. I have no problem with a man coaching however he sees fit...I just recommend a non argumentative way of dealing with them.
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I agree, have the kid with you if you are going to have a meeting. The thing that is really confusing me though is how does a kid pitch 3 innings if he's not medically released to run?
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I have never told him to disregard a coach... Well except the time a little league coach told him to swing upwards, to hit more home runs. - So should he have swung downward to hit more groundballs?
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Heard a coach last weekend at 14u say "hit the top half"...my sons coach laughed at him.
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My experience with my sons teams over the years are that his coaches have had no gray area regarding medical issues. If you aren't medically released to do EVERYTHING, you aren't medically released to do ANYTHING. Odd that your sons coaches have a gray area.
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May not necessarily be bad advice given circumstances. Clearly, the goal is to hit it flush, but if a player is dropping his hands severely you could use language like that to "overcompensate" & maybe the kid finds it somewhere in the middle. Often when giving instruction to correct a flaw an extreme suggestion gets a slight reaction & adjustment. It feels huge to the player but it is not.
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It's just a conversation about "baseball." So get over it. These things tend to evolve.
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Hitting exchanges take a different turn than most conversations. They often get ugly with people standing in their own corners based on the guru they worship. More often than not when a thread turns from wherever it was to hitting it gets ugly and goes down the tubes.
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I don't disagree at all. Certainly not my intent to go hitting direction. The comment I replied to referenced hitting & my point was to show that likely there was a coaching philosophy in play when the other coach made the "funny comment," that can definitely be effective at times. Could relate to any part of the game. Thx. With respect to original posters ? I honestly have no idea & certainly appreciate & am trying to soak up much of the advice given here with those who have...
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I'm not surprised. I bit my tongue through this entire thread...if you weren't going to listen, another voice probably wouldn't have convinced you.
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What about the meeting didn't go well? Heck, what was the meeting even about, I'm still unclear on that. As for that article...um....yeah....um.....while I do agree that if you take time to show up to a tryout a coach should look at you....I would also agree that if everyone is a foot taller than you and outweighs you by 50 pounds, and the coach is looking to form a Major team, then the coach probably won't look long. That IS youth baseball, and it is why there are Major, AAA, AA, and A...
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I just read the travel moms article. It's a typical whiny, parent doesn't get it story. So what if your kid didn't make the team last year and got two hits off them this year. Maybe he wasn't good enough last year. The whiny parent didn't seem to mention whether his kid's team won or lost. It's not hard to tell when a parent didn't go far in the game. Payback is nice. But it's not motivation. A "player" is motivated by the desire to succeed every game regardless of the competition. Do I...
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I would like to dedicate a song to this thread. I hadn't thought of this song, nor heard it in years until just now. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qjp_iG9vzEU
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come on man you should know, although a little whining is acceptable.... there is absolutely no crying allowed in baseball. Got to see Joe once in a bar setting , probably less than 30 people there, wow what a show.
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Did I miss a post somewhere? I've been waiting in anticipation for what happened and all the OP said was "Well, that didn't go well... we had the meeting"? Maybe there's a deleted post somewhere?
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Looks like OP went back and deleted all his previous posts. Can someone fill those of us who missed it in on what happened?
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What we were told: Kid makes varsity as a pitcher last year in 8th grade, this year, kid gets sent home from practice and parent gets email complaining about kids' attitude. Parent decides that the coach is wrong (and implied abuse), and meets with him (despite many people here saying that was the wrong approach.) Meeting didn't go well. My assessment: Parent doesn't listen well, which means that kid doesn't listen well. It was a whole bunch of "everyone else is wrong" (posters here, the...
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Thanks Matt. I've been keeping up with the back story. Just can't believe all he said was the meeting didn't go well, then delete everything he had written. Thought we would have gotten a few more specifics on the meeting itself.
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This is a perfect example of wasted bandwidth from people who have no clue on how this all works, which is usually a parent who thinks that their pre HS player is a stud and the coach is the bad guy. Parent didnt get the response they wanted so deleted everything after you all spend time giving advice, grrrrrr.
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Actually whining isn't acceptable. It's deplorable. But I'll bet most posters have slipped up at least once. I was on a ledge when my son tore up his knee the first weekend of post junior year showcasing. The reality is whining doesn't accomplish anything. It's better just to state the circumstances to the best of your ability and ask what people think. I played college ball. By the time my son got to varsity (soph year) I had coached 18u showcase softball and 16u baseball. I've seen a lot.
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It's very disrespectful to delete posts after people take time to respond and offer help. Some of it might be criticism. But it's still help. Plus the situation may come up for someone else with the responses supplying the answers.
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Mchlwlsh, I get it if you got miffed at some of the insulting comments. I get it if things didn't go well with the meeting. But I would like to point out a few things. One, you have a young aspiring player - this site is a REALLY good resource that can help you both through the next 4-6 years. I would encourage you to stay connected here. Two, there are many who took time to try and help you on this thread. When we do so, we are trying to help you, the OP, but also others who may find...