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Re: mechanics

teenpitcher15 ·
hey guys im wondering case im also lefty and am in low 80's for a good amount of my FB. anyway im wondering is it good to push and spin off with my back foot, do u know what i mean? also I was wondering is is good/bad/preference with how close the ball is to the back of your head. like this pic of maddux. tel me what u guys think.
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Re: CUPS

CCKnights ·
I feel naked without a cup on even while playing catch. I played long toss today with a buddy that plays independent ball, just was not as confident when he wanted to spin. Which leads to my next question. Does anybody else not like the feeling of baseball pants when you're not wearing a cup? It's just not right to wear pants with no cup.
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Re: How to stay back on the ball

nd943 ·
''Quit thinking and hit.'' Are you serious BlueDog? Is it even possible to hit if you're not thinking. Why don't you get in the box and hit without thinking and see how good you do. A batter must have full concentration at all times. He must be able to pick up the spin on the ball early and determine what pitch is being thrown. He also has to decide if it's going to be a ball or strike, if he wants to swing or not. This all involves thinking.
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Re: hs

Coachric ·
Throwing the ball with back spin accomplishes everything I need it to. A fastball grip has nothing but back spin. Get it up good and high and its still a pop up. I have been hitting and throwing them for over 30 years, and some days its kinda, whatever works.
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Re: A little help for a young catcher...

Midlo Dad ·
First of all, you are correct to emphasize 12/6 backspin on his throws. But that doesn't necessarily mean he should throw "over the top". A kid might interpret that to mean he should throw directly overhead. That is not the case. In the long run, catchers have to learn the snap throw. At age 7, IMHO, you just can't use the snap throw. First of all it takes tremendous arm strength that even the best 7-year-old won't have. Secondly it is very stressful on young elbows. Better to teach standard...
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Re: Boycott Gatorade

spinedoc ·
Please tell me how ESPN could have put a positive spin on that story. I was absolutely appauled, and I would say the same thing about baseball if I saw a story like that about it.
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Re: Need a good fourth pitch

ballslinar21 ·
a slider is a dangerous pitch, but if thrown correctly is very effective, and is no harder on your arm than a fb. put both of your fingers on one of the fourth seams, grip it like a curve. throw it just like a fastball. with your fingers to the left side of the ball will give it side spin. instead of following through with your hand next to your knee, pull your fingers into your ribs. if they are facing the side then you are twisting your wrist. which is wrong. this is actually more of a...
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Re: no-stride

CoachB25 ·
Ben, we teach no-stride. We seem to have several players that can generate a lot of power. I believe in that system to the point that I have my own child hitting that way. The results have been a high average and above average power. We have a dozen posters that can and will post why they think various systems work. The key then is to get your swing to the point that you hit the ball with your body and not your arms or unconnected parts of your body. I've found that we can be "on time", be...
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Re: Catching a fly ball

coach2709 ·
Watch a major league game and you will see MOST of the catches made with two hands. The only time you one hand it is when you are on the run. You said you two hand a ground ball because the ball moves - well what do you think that ball is doing while it is coming down??? It is moving. You may have set up for the catch to happen in the pocket but what if at the last instant the ball moves to where it will hit in the palm - yes that will happen. I remember many catches where the ball was...
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Re: Balk Questions

NeilKelty ·
So I could spin all the way around and throw?
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Re: Balk Questions

jjk ·
I'm feeling a balk, free foot comes up ya gotta pitch, when you replant the free foot you just stopped the pitching motion without stepping towards 1st. Remember there's only two legal moves for a righty going to 1st while incontact: 1 jab step, the right foot actually goes towards 3rd off the rubber, replants as you turn, step, and throw, or 2. jump, which has both feet off the ground as you spin, step, and throw.
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Re: Balk Questions

Texan ·
Not correct. When in contact with the rubber, you can step to first and throw to first.
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Re: Curve Balls...

Quincy ·
I have always taught players to hit the other way as soon as they see the spin when they face a same side pitcher and the pull when facing an opposing side pitcher. This has usually allowed them to make the adjustment to the slower speed of the breaking ball. It has produced good results over the years.
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Re: Speed + Knuckleball

BeenVeryGoodToMe ·
I agree that the normal way to throw a knuckler is with the pushing motion...and most are taught to throw it that way. I also agree that in the pro's, most use it as a last resort. However if one can retard the spin on the ball that results in reduced velocity while maintaining normal arm motion/speed, it becomes a very effective pitch third speed changeup. Look at other pitches such as the splitter, forkball, palmball, etc. that can also be thrown using normal arm motion and also rely on...
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Re: Back Spin

LevelPath19 ·
Agree with Texan that backspin does help the ball carry and is ideal on most hits. But... It is not ideal to swing down in order to create the spin. Any carry that is added will be negated by the lack of force produced by swinging down. A ball should be met squarely to produce the maximum amount of force. In other words, if you want to produce force in a 10 degree upward angle (line drive over the SS head), the bat should collide with the ball at that 10 degree upward angle. Picture hitting...
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Re: Back Spin

swingbuilder ·
Well Well. Beezer. My 1st post. I learned of this site from Steve E. He called and asked me if I was someone on this site already. I didn't know what he was talking about. So I have been just reading post. Beezer......what you wanta do is center the ball. Hit the ball in the center of the ball and with the center of the bat. If your swing is correct and your barrel is flat through the zone, much like what Vance said, with the barrel behind the hands and in that path. Then you will have the...
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Re: Back Spin

bbscout ·
If you hit a ground ball with backspin, you are a downswinger and have a swing that is not going to get you very far unless you run a 3.80 down the line.
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Re: Back Spin

Max ·
FIRST OF ALL I AM NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH ANYBODY AS I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ONE CORRECT WAY TO HIT. ALLS I KNOW IS THAT I WORKED WITH FORMER MARINERS THIRD BASE COACH DAVE MYERS OVER THE WINTER AND THE SWING HE TAUGHT ME WAS TO SWING DOWN ON THE BALL TO CREATE BACKSPIN HE MUST HAVE TOLD ME BACK SPIN LINE DRIVES 1,000 TIMES ALONG WITH SHORT THRU LONG THRU LOOK AT TINO MARTINEZ AND A-ROD SWING THE BAT
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Re: Back Spin

bbscout ·
Max, Post a clip of a good Major League hitter swinging down on the ball........I will wait patiently to see it. You create backspin by hitting the ball below its center, not by swinging down.
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Re: How did you choose your position?

Catch43 ·
Hey Adam, I asked my coach why leftys are so important, and he said theres a different spin off of there fingertips, and if rightys get used to rightys, leftys can fool them some.
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Re: Back Spin

Sandman ·
This one had some back spin on it, as it seemed to just carry and carry.
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Re: That is SO a balk..isn't it?

Michael S. Taylor ·
Pilsner is correct. If HS then he can't but OBR he may make that spin move and throw or not. He can make the same step to first but he must throw.
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Re: That is SO a balk..isn't it?

jjk ·
Well guess I gotta see this, but my first thought is balk; you say no step, what exactly is this spin? I expect to see from the wind up, first not even a little hint of a wind up, ie. the hands beginning to come together or coming up in what even looks the begining of the pitching motion, okay made it that far, now I would expect to see a fluid step with with distance and direction, with toes pointing somewhere towards whichever base he's throwing too. I'm just not seeing a good spin type...
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Re: Wrist weakness

06catcherdad ·
DARN YOU FUNGO! ...just kidding. I saw Fungo's post about the powerball, so, being the type who will try things that sound good, just in case they actually work, I ordered one. I figured it might be a good tool to help my son with his overall hand/forearm strength, but also since he's only two weeks from getting Tommy John surgery, it might help him with the conditioning he's been doing to go into the surgery with as much strength in his arm as possible. Darn you, Fungo, I can't put the...
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Re: Are great players born or taught?

rz1 ·
TPM, The spin on this is that if a player has had lessons, and has learned from those lessons, there may be more of a perception that he is coachable. It's not given, but it may be an intangable on the plus side at recruiting time.
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Re: Are great players born or taught?

ChicksDigTheLongBall ·
RZ, and this kid is very coachable, great point.
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Re: Why snow is important

FastballDad ·
I know a lot of you are not very happy about the foot or so of snow that we just got (that's we had here in Barrington) but I just wanted to put a positive spin on it for everyone. This snow is great for the fields. The needed ground moisture it will provide and the blanket for the grass (it ought to stay for a while) will go a long way in improving the condition of our fields come spring. So, even though this may feel like it puts baseball a long way off, it was a good thing. I know I...
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Re: How much is too much - Kobe - 81pts,

rz1 ·
Kobe is planning on starting his own spin-off league called the NIBA (National Individual Basketball Association).
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Re: Short to zone...Long through zone

bubandbran ·
It means keeping your barrel through the strike zone. When we teach short stroke, sometimes players tend to be quick in the zone and then quick out of the zone. You want to be short to the ball and then long through the ball with your barrel. It creates back spin and line drives. The best hitters in the game stay through the ball with thier hands and barrel.
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Re: Short to zone...Long through zone

Linear ·
Hogwash. How can you be quick to the zone and long through it? Two ways: Slow down once you get there.....or lengthen the path to stay in it longer (disconnect). Neither is good. The cue is meaningless.
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Re: the release

Shortstop 11 ·
Shepster, thank you for your post. While hitting I noticed that I tend to do the 2nd way (with the high finish). I tried the 1st way for a couple swings but I agree with what you say and I think I hit more line-drives consistently with the high finish. You worded it exactly how my coach says it and I think it is better because the first way I think makes me spin, which I definetly dont want to do. Thank You.
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Re: Short to zone...Long through zone

Linear ·
What is the correlation between strong hands and barrel being in front of hands at contact? It is my opinion that he is early on this pitch and made a nice adjustment with the extension. Kept him in the zone longer. Get in your stance. Lock both elbows against your side(s). Let the bat lag or droop. Hold it loosely. Now, whip the body. Load/unload. Negative move/positive move. Without "manhandling the bat". Did the bat get in front of the hands.......did it require hand strength. The above...
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Re: Knuckelball

Coach Chris ·
There are two keys to throwing a knuckleball. 1. Releasing it without any spin. Different pitchers achieve this in different ways. Here's a link to a good place to start... - Knuckleball 101 2. Releasing it at the right speed. You have to throw it at just the right speed -- which is neither too fast nor too slow -- for it to knuckle.
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Re: visual training?

the next...1 ·
Maybe but not as much as just hitting. Why becuase you will time the ball and be able to pick up the spin to dtermine location.
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Re: VIDEO CLIPS PLEASE..

Linear ·
Nice spin job. I used the same technique when I wasn't injured. I used the same technique when I started in college. 3yrs. All league one year. I used the same technique when the coach decided to move the previous years all-conference catcher to center field to get me behind the plate.
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Re: Short to zone...Long through zone

Coach May ·
Shep awesome posts man. I have taught short to the zone long through the zone from day one as a coach. I went to a hitting clinic way back when put on by Ga Tech assistant coach Sorge. He gave a great presentation on getting the bat into the zone and keeping it in the zone throughout the swing. Alot of hitters especially young ones are long getting into the zone and then spin off or pull off the ball or in other words short in the zone. I call hit long to the zone short in the zone. You have...
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Re: Short to zone...Long through zone

CoachB25 ·
Shep, I see his hands staying connected as his shoulders begin a spin with the hips. I do see a disconnection but not unlike an example of the phrase, "getting off of the merry go round." One must let the ball get to you and then according to the pitch location, match it. If you are talking about the stride, I don't know any rotational hitting coach that disallows stride. The head stays in the same plane. In fact, if you put your curser just behind his ear, you'll find that he comes back to...
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Re: 2 Questions about Hitting

Quincy ·
Teams or statisticians would want the eye test scores in order to look for a commonality among the better hitters. If a common score is found for the better hitters, teams will use that as part of their search criteria when signing prospects or draft choices. The better hitters are the naturals. They have hand eye coordination that cannot truly be taught. The best batting instructors will take the existing mechanics that obviously work and at best fine tune them to catch up with faster...
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Re: Cost of being recruited

shortstopmom ·
Dear Fungo, Thank you,...my breathing has eased,..my head is not spinning as fast as it was all summer. I found peace in your posting. I feel relieved. We have a highschool jr who plays baseball. His lifetime dream is to play baseball. We move from Hawaii to Kansas two years ago. POOF POW,...EVERYONE and their brother started telling us that we needed to get our son " showcased " and if we didnt hit the ground flying at warp speed, attending 100 miles per hour in multiple states, then we...
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Re: Little League World Series..yuck

CADad ·
They moved the fences to 225' from 205' I believe. The fact that the ball is going much faster as it approaches the hitter makes a 90+ fastball thrown from a 60'6" mound much harder to hit than the reaction time equivalent 70 mph fastball thrown from a 46' mound. The ball also moves more at the greater distance due to more spin even though the time of flight is the same for the reaction time equivalent pitches.
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Re: Hunting and Baseball?

ASU RAM FAN ·
Ringer 1 - here is a little spin on this. Last week I was in W.Tx moving my son into his apartment. I took he and his roommate to the store to fill up the pantry and refrigerator. His roommate was a little hesitant of all the things we were buying for the freezer until he realized he had 3 weeks before dove season opens. He just wanted to make sure there was plenty of room when Labor Day arrives. There are quite a few on my son's college team that are avid hunters. Last year they would have...
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Re: Young hitter for review!

Vance34 ·
1. Doesn't maintain BOX 2. Bat drag 3. More pulling, hands get in front of rotation. 4. push stroke I'll not mention the style with stance which I do think affects his ability to be as efficient as he could. Tough clip for me to see if bat is perpendicular to spin. So no comment there as well. I counted 6 frames to contact once his foot plants but the bat drag could actually want to make you add more frames.
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Re: Young hitter for review!

tom.guerry ·
The kid is pretty close to getting a high level coil/uncoil. Right now he is still spinning/sliding. I like to focus on arm action/how hands get moved since the hands are the boss. Notice he cocks the bat way up from horizontal to vertical. This encourages a little inward turn of the whole body as he bends at waist and forces the back arm to internally rotate which strongly influences the front leg to internally rotate which gets a good hip cok started. That is a good way to start the swing,...
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Re: CMSU or KU?

hopeinternal ·
I know what i have posted is true.Check the rosters for the last two years you can see the turnover there.I would recommend emporia sts.program anyday over cmsu with the present coach.What baseball39 has heard is simply spin by my estimation.Shields players,ha,ha.Check the stats, i also believe their 1 and 2 pitchers for 06 were released.
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Re: Fastball/Change is all you need kids!

wave ·
PG, Texan, and Gshew, Thanks. I have chatted with my son about his 'cutter'. He said he hold the ball like a 2-seam fast ball, then rotate his right hand together with the ball (no relative movement between ball and fingers) so that his thumb is on the left and his index and middle fingers on the right side of the ball. He claims that he throw it like a fastball but make sure to point his thumb at the catcher to finish his throw.(I guess in doing so the two fingers would spin the ball so...
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Re: High Speed Pitching Clip

BobbleheadDoll ·
CA I didn't say it was perfect. Some postes point out some small issues so I was wondering what you don't like. I think his mechanics are not stressfull aswell. I don't think he is throwing a FB as he appears to be trying to get spin on the ball as he releases it rolling his hand to the left. He rotates his shoulder too far and his stride is a little too long setting his heel down 1st. These are small adjustments and he may be trying to get rotation on the ball.
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Re: High Speed Pitching Clip

thepainguy ·
If you watch his hands break, you can see that he has a 4-seam FB grip. The title of the clip also implies this. You can also see a FB grip at the release point. The rolling of his hand (really his forearm) is an example of moderate pronation. This helps to protect the elbow by keeping the bones of the elbow from slamming together. As an aside, you can see his Triceps flop around as he pronates. Some people think the Triceps is critical to the throwing motion, but this video shows that that...
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Re: Throwing help...

TDad ·
For what it's worth we used the the Thromax device around age 12/13. Most kids have a hard time getting there elbow up until that age. I would concentrate on making sure they don't wrap around the ball when throwing. Ex. putting a slider spin. It's one habit that could last a lifetime. Don't worry about arm slot just look for good rotation. Putting a stripe down the middle of a practice ball works well.
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Re: High Speed Pitching Clip

Roger Tomas ·
The hand/wrist/forearm always pronate after ball release regardless of the pitch thrown. This does not aotumatically imply he was trying to put spin on the ball. In fact, his hand is positioned palm forward at release which (combined with the position of the fingers) tells me he threw a fastball. Landing on the heel first is generally not a problem because after a couple milliseconds the rest of the foot comes down any way. Not much can go wrong in those couple of milliseconds - especially...
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Re: Breaking ball measured in FEET, not inches?

StyleMismatch ·
OK, I read this and now I'm trying to understand it. Something doesn't add up, many years ago it was discovered that putting this same sideways spin on a round metal object fired from a gun stabilized it's flight path (made it fly as straight as possible). What am I missing?
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