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Note* I understand I am still too young to be recruited, these questions are just to clarify my confusion. These questions are not to get myself recruited at this time. Hopefully the answers I get can help me understand the recruiting process for later. * I also understand that a Verbal means nothing 1. Early Commitments. I understand that the NCAA prohibits coaches from contacting students before September 1st of their junior year. How do kids commit as 8th graders, freshmen and sophomore...
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As explained, recruit initiated phone contact is permissible regardless of age or dead period. As for the mechanics of kids being recruited at 16u and below, these players have stand out tools already plus a lot of projection left. They typically already shine regionally if not nationally with well known travel teams. The big clubs, both regional and national, are in regular contact with the college coaches. It’s in both the college coach’s and the travel club’s best interest to network...
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Lots of good responses here already, but I'll add a little as well. 1. Early Commitments. These guys have been seen early one way or another (travel teams, showcases, camps, etc) and when being seen, they showed prospective coaches something really good (their performance, their measurables, their frame/size, etc.) right then and there. It was good enough at that time that the coach either thought: A) this kid is "there" or B) he will be "there" by the time he gets to me - projectability. 2.
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What matters is the coaches who see you and know you either have contacts or can convince those with contacts in other parts of the country to recommend you. Chances are if coaches from the program in other parts of the country are willing to make a recommendation the college coach will speak to your coach. Be more concerned with who your coaches know. My son’s travel coach told college coaches about players who never expressed an interest in certain programs. He recommended them to college...
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It’s good to be loaded up with information. So, never be afraid to ask any question. If you’re a D1 prospect chances are you know it. Someone knowledgeable in the game is telling you you’re a D1 prospect. Travel teams that funnel players to D1 programs will be recruiting you. It’s always possible a D1 prospect drifts down to D2 or D3. There’s overlap in talent levels. Sometimes the player realizes he’s not going past college ball and the smaller program is a better academic fit. For non D1...
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A verbal offer is one man's promise to another, as is a verbal commitment. It isn't legally binding, but it means a lot more than nothing. I don't think a verbal offer or a verbal commitment is given lightly in baseball (football may be a different story altogether). The vast majority of offers and commitments that I've seen have been honored, with the exceptions being a change of head coach, obvious lack of development of an early recruit, or a kid who was a flake. Much more common is a...
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I stand corrected and highly impressed at your writing ability at such a young age. Props to you. Unfortunately, when it comes time for you to email coaches, you might need make some adjustments, as your written words come across quite advanced for your age. Keep up the good work!
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Gotcha. Thanks for the tip too. Thinking about it now, it can come across as if a parent was writing it for me. Appreciate the tip
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To add, generally a commitment does mean that specifics have been discussed and agreed upon about the financial support being provided by the baseball program (i.e. The offer). It is a gentleman’s agreement until the National Letter of Intent is signed in November of a player’s senior year in High School. During COVID, coaches are relying even more on video and assessments of travel coaches/scouts.
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Coaches can’t call kids. Coaches can call travel or hs coaches and ask that a kid call them. They can talk everyday if the kid calls the coach. Coaches have eyes everywhere. Someone may attend an event, take video for a coach and send it to them. There are ways around the rules and all the coaches use them.
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@2025prospect I do apologize for not responding to your pm better than I did. You have received some good info to build on. Just keep working hard on skills and in the classroom.
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Does the current club have a “National Team” or “Premier Team” at each age group where they funnel the best talent to compete in large regional or national events?
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Do a search for previous threads about recruiting. You will find more information than you requested.
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@Prospect2025 when your dad sends emails to coaches on your behalf tell him to not be so obvious.
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I was not RJM, not smart enough to know back then. I should have been because I was giving leads to a lot of scouts in North Ga. I also continued to get phone calls when we moved to Tennessee from guys weekly including when I stopped umpiring regularly and my boys were playing varsity baseball.
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https://community.hsbaseballwe...89#67612830685228789 Yes. They feed info into MLB scouts. This past year some colleges also tapped into the MLB scout network since they were unable to hit the road themselves. Hopefully this spring college coaches will be able to hit the road again.
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Not too much more to add, and not necessarily answering your questions, but here goes: 1) baseballhs mentioned that coaches have eyes everywhere. Play every game as if someone is watching . If you are in podunk cornfield Georgia, play as if someone is watching. There was a post years ago about a player that got referred to a college coach from an umpire that the coach had a relationship with. (btw, son got his first serious look from the coach of his college in podunk cornfield Georgia).
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Were you an associate scout? I’ve known, and known of umpires and coaches who are associate scouts. For those who may not know an associate scout gets paid when he submits information on a player to his affiliated team and that team drafts and signs him. Otherwise, he’s not paid.
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When I was umpiring high school ball, a bunch of scouts showed up to watch a pitcher for one team and a rf strong hitter on the other at a summer game the week before draft. Before the game, I was talking to several pro scouts I knew and they were asking me about the two guys. I told them they were missing the best player on the field. The SS who played with RF never played travel but was a great all around player. During the game, he hit 3 HR's off the stud pitcher and made 2 crazy plays up...
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Lot's of great advice here. I enjoy seeing someone your age with the maturity to seek advice and you definitely articulate yourself very well, bravo. You should use those resources in both your travel program and family scouts to help with making connections with the different programs you are interested in addition to reaching to them. A multi-pronged approach is not overkill and imo would demonstrate your resourcefulness to the program recruiters. Hopefully your genetics puts you over 70"...
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It sounds like you are with a good club with lots of connections that may someday work to your advantage. For example, my oldest is a 2022. He plays for a club similar to yours. One of his top choice schools is in another region of the country. His local club coach, who does not have relationships in that area, reached out to the national guy who does. The national guy reached out to the recruiting coordinator for the school who then called local coach. After they chatted local coach reached...
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This is a for you to consider when you are a bit older but D3 and NAIA (and I believe JuCo) don’t have black out periods say like D1 and D2. Here is a nice overview. https://www.ncsasports.org/nca...ter/recruiting-rules My son started reaching out the summer before his sophomore year to recruiting/assistant coaches to about 15-20 colleges he liked with video/recruiting profile and PBR profile. Would send updates with new video every few months to establish a relationship. He was personally...
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2025 ... Size isn’t everything. But lack of it has to be overcome. It’s all about talent. But those with ideal size get noticed first. How tall are your parents? Older brothers and sisters? My son was 5’4 120 in 14u. But with me being 6’1”, his mother 5’8” and his older sister 5’10” we weren’t worried about growth. You are probably close to having a growth spurt. My son was 5’11” the next year. He was 6’1” senior year of high school. He grew to be 6’2”. In the mean time you can borrow my...
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2025, if you don't mind answering a few questions: Where does your branch of your travel team rank in the organization? Where do you bat in the lineup? What positions do you play? Do you have any dream colleges, with or without baseball? Have you seen many college games played? (I'm guessing you already know that there are good to great teams at all levels in your backyard) What level do you see yourself playing in college?
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So from what I have gathered, associate scouts tip off the area scouts of good players on their team or other teams? My family knows 2 associate scouts very well.
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Thanks for the reply. Great list of schools. If Pepperdine is on your list, you might consider the rest of the West Coast Conference as well. To get a better idea of what play looks like at other divisions, once things return to near normal you might check out a D2 game, like at Cal Poly Pomona, and a D3 game, like at Cal Lu or Occidental. You have gotten lots of great advice here already, but none better than the advice on working as hard as you can on your academics. You will be very glad...
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I"m sorry, I call BS on this. Having the ability to express yourself at a high level is a huge asset — among other things it helps reinforce the idea that you'll be able to handle college level work. Be who you are and be proud of it. Telling you to dumb down your emails smacks of when I was in high school and people told me to stop volunteering so much in class because boys don't like smart girls. Hopefully we're past that in the classroom and in athletics. As long as you communicate as...
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Agree with this because when son was being recruited it was noted to us that he spoke very well and they enjoyed the conversation. Nowadays, with emails and texts, the written word has replaced the spoken word, and I am impressed with how you express yourself.
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Thank you, when things are back to normal, I will want to go see Orange Coast College as well as some other D2, D3 and JuCo programs around me. I was told by someone to attend a practice if I could. Would you recommend it? Or just games and get there early to watch BP, pregame e.t.c.
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2025prospect, As you have no doubt discovered, HSBBWeb is a GREAT resource. There are a lot of HSBBWeb people that have taken many different paths to play baseball in high school, college and professionally. It is a very confusing time right now with Covid-19, so anything you learn now will be far and above what it is like normally. Keep at it, keep asking question and learning as much as you can how it works and why it works the way it does....think like a Coach! I love your dream schools.
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As a note, Biola is D2. The only D3s in California are in the SCIAC. I'm not sure about the advice to "go watch teams and see if you could compete at that level." Kids who are confident, especially when they are younger, think that they will be able to. The question is, what level do your coaches think you will be able to play? As already said, if you have the size and skills for D1 right now, they will say so. Otherwise, it will be "wait and see" all the way up to summer after junior year.
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I would not attend a practice uninvited, and I don't think seeing one would be important until you are ready to start choosing a college. For now, you just want to see what the level of play looks like to get an idea of what you need to do to be able to fit in. Sounds like you may be in OC. If so, Chapman would be a good place to check out. They practice and play in a public park, so if you really did want to check out a practice you probably could.
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My kid confessed that he was willing to go to a pelotero academy in the DR. He played with kids who went that route. I did tell the wife he needed to improve his Espanol grades, pero no tener ni la más mínima posibilidad
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I think it is a good idea to watch the next level practices/games. My kid at 12 and 13U did watch local HS JV and V games and practices, he was curious and it did motivate him to work harder even though he knew he could compete. At 14, he did the same with the local D1 and D3 colleges.
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At fourteen my son sat with two Louisville pitchers behind the backstop charting and gunning pitchers. After the game on the ride home he verballed to Louisville. Louisville never knew. He did get to play against them.
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Thank you. And yes, I would prefer to stay on the West Coast but I am not limiting my options. By getting on teams across the country to be seen by East Coast colleges in the future, do you mean filling in for teams? Or do you mean just playing at the big tournaments in the East Coast(WWBA, East Cobb tournaments, etc)? My current organization typically goes to the AZ or Florida JO’s. The National Team goes to WWBA World Championship, WWBA National Championship,
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You are ahead of the game and doing research which will serve you quite well. So I'm assuming you're on the West Coast. Do you want to stay there? If not you need to get on teams that will be seen in areas of the country you wish to attend. Showcases are showcases and cost way more than attending a high visibility tourney against top talent and you get more than 1 day at it than a Showcase. ONLY go to a showcase IF you have something to show and stand out. They are not required in order to...
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All depends where you want to be seen. Yes to the East Coast Tourneys (East Cobb and Florida). Huge college density on East Coast.More eyes the better. Bigger tourney the better. Get on a team that goes and can compete at those so that you're in the field when other scouts are there to see other kids, they also see you, etc. Doesn't matter what team, but coordination and informing recruiters where and when you'll play (easier than pitchers) is easier if you're on the same team or within the...
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Just a couple more thoughts for additional perspective on the recruiting timelines thrown around here... First, D1 is huge, like 300-ish programs. What the timeline may look like for the P5s and top 100-ish schools is not necessarily what it is like for the bottom 100-ish. Second, I think there isn't as much of an early timeline crush for pitchers. Schools never seem to stop looking for pitchers, ever. Granted, scholarship budgets may have dried up the closer to (and beyond) the NLI period...
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Great Post. I looked at local top P5 top 25 program here in our state where we know a half dozen players who are headed (1 or 2 will be drafted). 13 Players listed on PG in 2019 class. 10 on 2021 Spring Roster, one drafted two not present. 3 now listed as freshman but should be sophomores. 15 Players listed in PG in 2020 Class. 3 on 2021 Spring Roster. Zero drafted. Didn't see any that changed commitment (so where are they?) There are 3 transfer-ins for this class that were not committed out...