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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college

Rob T ·
Is the scout referring to Aaron Sanchez who goes 93-95 with his two seamer , and Taijuan Walker who averages 94 on his fastball and a 89-90 splitter? (Not to mention Walker's arm blowing up recently) Those guys were both first round draft picks out of high school who were 93+ in their senior years. It's not like they were mid 80's guys who grew into 90's guys.
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Rob T ·
For the guys who are successful, the two are not mutually exclusive.
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baseballhs ·
In a perfect world you have both everyday.
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rynoattack ·
There are so many variables. Is the stadium gun accurate? Do these guns need periodic calibration to make sure they are accurate? As someone mentioned earlier, most guys throw mid to high 80's. Son's team has a Friday guy that was hitting 95-96 in the 7th inning, but they have an All American Closer who lives 80-82. When the closer is on, he is virtually unhittable. When his control is off, he gets hammered. From what I've seen, the 95-96 guy on son's team can use his velo to get an...
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baseballhs ·
I should clarify. Not scouts, coaches. I know they want both, but back to the question in this thread...would they rather fix barely missing the zone but throwing hard, or slow it down (which puts you back in the pack) and hitting all your spots?
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Goosegg ·
I think college coaches want outs. They also want velo, but college coaches arent generally playing the long game; they need immediate results (because they only get 11.7 chances; pro ball has over 70 new guys per team every year). Proball plays the long game. Most college PCs - especially guys whose careers ended in college - dont generally know how to develop pitchers. And college coaches generally are militantly anti-walk. (I still remember my son telling me his pro PC complemented him...
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Nonamedad ·
LSU vs Auburn (they are pretty good btw) both Auburn guys were 91/92, I didn't see the LSU starter but the second LSU guy hit 90, but had a long inning, his next inning was 87/88, third guy was a lefty FB topped out at 83, nest guy was 88/89. LSU had given up and the pitchers were rarely used kids, 13 and 14 appearances, but still.
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CTbballDad ·
My 2019 RHP by my guess is sitting 83-85 (IMO based on last summer and his improvement) . He's had a very nice year and recently a couple of mid-level D1 were out to see him with their radar guns. Cool to see, but no feedback or reaching out afterwards, even though he gave up no runs during his outing. It's very discouraging that we're hearing crickets, even though I've always known he's had to make another jump in velo to be considered mid-D1. I think it's now confirmed for me. Going to a...
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adbono ·
You are delusional if you think you will be recruited (and offered a scholarship) by an SEC school unless you hit 88 - 90 as a junior in HS - or before. Exception would be lefty that has good secondary stuff. SEC schools are already done with 2019 recruiting and are looking at 2020 players now. Here is a real life example : Texas A&M has 16 active pitchers on the current roster. Half of them sit over 90. The other half sit 87 - 89. Almost all can throw 90 if they need too. Only exception...
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Rob T ·
Your odds of getting drafted are a lot better than making an SEC roster if you go by the numbers.
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baseballhs ·
I don’t see this. I’ve seen a lot of guys throwing that might hit 90-91 playing on sec teams.
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Backpick25 ·
My 2018 son, RHP, was 88-90 consistently his Sophomore year. Exactly ZERO schools were interested until he topped 93 the following spring. One of his LHP team mates was 84-87 his Sophomore spring and still to this day has not touched 88 was heavily recruited by SEC schools. What's it mean? There are a lot of RHP's, so you gotta find ways to stand out and seek your fit. LHP's get taken a bit earlier. Fast forward, son had a terrific HS pitching career on/in a mediocre program. It didn't cost...
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3and2Fastball ·
Just because you see SEC pitchers getting gunned in games throwing 85-86 doesn't mean that is the hardest they can throw. If you max out at 85-86, does that mean you can consistently cruise at your max velocity for multiple innings while moving the ball and throwing strikes? Good luck convincing SEC coaches of that.
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Rob T ·
The numbers I speak of are the 1200 that get drafted vs. the maybe 120 that make an SEC roster. In other words, if you are good enough to play for the SEC there is a real good chance you have at least had conversations with a scout to determine draft-ability.
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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college

adbono ·
By “rarely” you mean that he does touch 90. Don’t get me wrong, I think that there is too much emphasis on velocity and not enough on getting hitters out. But high velo is what gets you in the door. And as someone else so accurately said earlier in this thread “for the guys that are successful the 2 (velo & outs) are not mutually exclusive.”
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adbono ·
100% correct
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2019Dad ·
For recruiting purposes, I think there is a distinction between a number that a kid has touched in a game, and a number that is "verified." (The college coach has seen it with his own eyes, or PG or PBR or another independent party has recorded and published it). The former isn't terribly important for recruiting.
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2019Dad ·
Isn't that true of every conference? The number drafted in a year (1200) is always far greater than the number of players at the conference in a specific class.
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#1 Assistant Coach ·
Agreed. And if coach believes there is still "projection remaining" he can safely bank on the former. But if he believes player is at end of physical development, with little or no projection remaining, then most likely will not venture beyond the latter (the "verified").
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57special ·
Well, of course it has to be a verifiable number, not some random guy at a local HS/youth game.
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2019Dad ·
Yeah, what I meant is, even if it's not some random guy . . . Example: son's HS team guns its varsity pitchers in all games. 2019 pitcher touches 90 in a winter game, recorded by the high school on its Stalker. That doesn't mean much -- during the quiet period, no college coaches there, not verified by a third party . . . just doesn't mean a lot because, um, let's just say there is rampant exaggeration of velo in HS baseball so reports like that are treated with skepticism (and rightly so)
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Nonamedad ·
Here we go again..... UCLA vs OSU both RHPs, clearly not either teams top guys. UCLA kid (clearly can pitch) top 86. OSU kid relief pitcher same about 85-86. Both kids on PG are listed at 91. Why the huge disconnect?
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RJM ·
Early showcase season max velocity versus fatigued end of season cruising velocity. It also may be ironing out mechanics and getting better movement on the ball may have decreased velocity.
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Teaching Elder ·
Guys humped it up for the guns at the events while really only sitting 84-86, maybe even a little lower. Don't believe people around here that you can't pitch D1 or "Won't get recruited" if you don't consistently hit 90. Either posters on this site don't know what they are talking about, or power 5 coaches don't know what they are doing. To be the number 1 stud at top power five schools you will likely be over 90. To be a decent pitcher at power 5 requires 84-86, good command and a good ...
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3and2Fastball ·
I don't really understand the disconnect. If you top out at 85-86 is will be exceedingly difficult to be recruited to a Power 5 team. Because you won't cruise in games at your top velocity. It doesn't matter what the gun says at games. At D1 bigtime games you are seeing guys who can throw 88-92 who cruise at lower speeds.
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Nonamedad ·
Not trying to be a smart-ass.... ironing out mechanics and getting better movement may have decreased velocity... in English this tells me they were throwing as hard as they could and couldn't get anywhere near the strike zone so they had to slow down and actually pitch to throw strikes. And when they did get lucky enough to throw a strike with all their might the pitchwas so straight and flat it got tattooed. So they had to slow down again make the ball move to really get hitters out.
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Teaching Elder ·
Well, listen to people on here and they will tell you that cruising 85-86 makes a guy a chump. Some might tell you that it would be exceedingly hard to get recruited to a Power 5 team cruising 85-86. My point is that I am not so sure the know it alls know all they would like to think they know. Don't get me wrong, throwing 90+ is great, especially with command and good off speed. I just have seen that it is not an absolute for pitching SEC baseball. Not by a long shot.
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adbono ·
I am at the D2 JuCo World Series in Enid, Oklahoma watching a game right now. The starting pitcher for NOC -Enid has been sitting 89-91 the entire game and has hit 93 at least a handful of times. He is a freshman and is NOC-Enid’s #3 starter. As a RHP that is pretty much what it takes to be a guy that matters in the SEC. There are plenty of really good hard throwing RHPs. They are all over the baseball landscape. The “know it alls” that you refer to are us guys that scout, recruit, and coach...
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Nonamedad ·
But don't most of the kids that go the juco route have grade issues that preclude them from getting into 4 year schools? And most are trying to get drafted right away, so they don't want to go to a 4 year univ and wait to become draft eligible.
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adbono ·
Most of them? Absolutely not
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JCG ·
Most? I don't think so. I'm not a know it all, but there are plenty with grade issues, but the kids who do well academically in Juco then qualify to get into 4 year schools. I've seen it happen plenty of times. Unfortunately, I've also seen kids whose academic troubles continue, so they can't play in Juco either. There are also many who want to be drafted, like you say, but many more who were overlooked during recruiting, whether because they were late bloomers or didn't get themselves in...
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2019Dad ·
There are anecdotes on both sides. I was at a Big West game this year and the RHP closer for one team was touching 95 and the RHP reliever for the other team touched 86 once. But let's not kid ourselves -- the first pitcher was a lot better! ;-)
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RJM ·
The max number on the PG website is from when the pitcher aired out his fastball. It doesn’t matter if it was a strike or not. It doesn't matter if it was straight as an arrow and hit 450 feet. All the pitcher was trying to accomplish was max velocity in a showcase setting. It’s a number to show a scout/coach what kind of tools he can expect to work with. My son was moved from short to center in high school and his travel team by post soph summer. In individual showcase drills he did both...
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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college

RJM ·
Re: cruising 85/86 mph Ten years ago I was chatting with a Phillies scout at an A10 game. It was obvious he was there to see the 90+ closer. But he was there occassionally gunning every pitcher. I asked him the average cruising speed in the A10. Ten years ago it was mid 80’s in the A10. No way, no how is the typical P5 pitcher throwing mid 80’s. There are some P5s cruising mid 80’s. All the 90+ pitchers got their shot before these guys.
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Scotty83 ·
See this is where I find the recruiting stuff confusing with my son. I agree a lot of the players I've seen throw a higher top speed than crushing speed but my son doesn't. Last summer his highest velocity was 83. He got that at two showcases and in two games there was a gun at. One of the games they recorded every pitch. Pitch 1 was 83 and pitch 100 was 83. He hit 83 30 something times. His final pitch number 118 was 82. So he does sit at his top velo. Which worries me since velocity is so...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

RJM ·
Just a simple question ... Why would a kid listen to a sixteen year old versus a professional pitcher? Your heart is in the right place. I’m just not sure the effort will be effective.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
I guess the simple answer is that younger pitchers can be more relatable to kids than a pro. Also, not many pros have a Free detailed program online that teaches kids how to go from t-ball to HS Varsity level. Possibly because pro's are either busy or want to be paid in some way for their time. Granted there is no revolutionary information being relayed. Most of the content is "best practices" type of stuff. But, Good information can come from anyone. A lot of the pitching instruction videos...
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JCG ·
I agree with you -- good content is good content, regardless of the age or experience of the presenter. Certainly pro pitchers bring more credibility to the table, but they are not necessarily good coaches and communicators. I think the video you linked to is pretty good and I hope the kid keeps it up.
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Sirloindameaty ·
@JCG Thanks for the reply. I think that if kids took the time and effort to engage in positive projects like this, it should be encouraged. There are enough people already on the other side of the equation giving criticism. How many pro's are teaching online and opening themselves up for criticism?
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Scott Munroe ·
It is really cool to see a young man trying to give back to the community and the game! Creating a YouTube channel for pitching will bring value to many who may not have the resources to secure professional instruction. Feedback for improvement: 1) Watch a few YouTube videos on Camera presence. He does a great job of showing enthusiasm, but some thought should go into the viewer's experience as well. Meaning, all the unnecessary movement takes away from the viewer's ability to focus on the...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@Scott Muroe Thanks for the feedback and the suggestions. I feel like your post is a good example of how forums like this should be used. Meaningful and constructive feedback is not always easy to come by on forums. Thank you! I'll pass the sentiment along. I think that collaboration with other programs may be a little ways down the road given time and age constraints.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Scott Munroe ·
You are welcome! Also, I agree the forum should be a place for feedback....how else can you learn if you do not ask for feedback? In defense of those who choose not to provide feedback, this forum has a couple of members on it that have ruined it for people like you and I apologize for that. There many good people on this site who have a wealth of knowledge that would love to help continue an up and coming player's success. You know who they are...just PM them with your questions. Just for...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Go44dad ·
Why can't a 16 year old be an effective coach? Who knows? I am certain my son could teach younger kids to pitch better than a lot of coaches out there. I do just want to put one thing out there. I live in Texas. If my HS son gives lessons, helps someone out with baseball or similar and gets paid for it, it is a UIL violation and if you play on a high school team all of the games can (and most likely will) be forfeited. It happened here a couple years ago. ...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@go44dad Thanks for the reply and heads up. At this time, the you-tube channel and all the content is free and he is not getting paid for anything. But that is a good point about the various rules around players getting paid. Thanks you!
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

cabbagedad ·
I just took a quick glance at this from work with no audio. My observation may be useful from this different perspective. The video is 4:18 long. There are three short 5 second action clips (two of them being identical). The remaining 4+ minutes are video of a guy talking. I don't even know what the topic was but kids young and old require a much higher ratio of visual demonstration and less talk. Even if he was just talking about what he was going to be presenting in the future, still need...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@cabbagedad Thanks for the reply and the thoughtful feedback. I'll make that suggestion to the channel producer.
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Re: Pitching vs, Catching

RJM ·
If the kid loves to pitch he should continue to pitch. It amazes me how many people make a plan for the future that cuts out the present enjoyment. Don’t forget to enjoy today. High school and travel ball are fun. Plus they’re the bird in hand. You can’t guarantee future pleasure in baseball. Don’t obsess on level of play at college. Find an opportunity that is the best potential baseball, academic and social experience regardless of level. Once college is over what level is played is...
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Re: Pitching vs, Catching

cabbagedad ·
Let's take inventory... You know the kid loves to play and is a good player. You know he doesn't currently have D1 measurables and size and may not reach that going forward. You've learned the velo, projected velo and size are certainly parts of the equation with regard to college recruiting at the D1 level. You mentioned he has been told catching skills are high and it may be his ticket to a mid- D1... although there is a little bit of confusion to that point as you also say when he doesn't...
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PABaseball ·
I'm sure he is a good catcher, but at 5'7 he doesn't have any tickets. Size is important and he is still growing. For now all he can do is continue to eat and hope he sprouts up in the next year. If you're wondering why your 5'7 mid-high 70s son isn't getting looks as a pitcher it's because there is nothing for a college coach to look at. Getting outs and having a low ERA at 15 does not project as anything. Height and velocity does. So his coach is right, he is somebody that can pitch well...
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meads ·
A bit off topic, but the relationship between a pitcher and catcher is important. DS is a pitcher (1 of 6 on his team) and we have 3 catchers. DS keeps getting paired up with one and he tells DS to throw only FB's and DS shakes him off but he signals him to throw a FB anyways. I did ask my DS, can't you shake him off and throw what you want and he said not really because if the catcher is set to catch a FB and he throws a slider, and the catcher misses it, it affects him... I told DS to talk...
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