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Re: 2020 just wants to pitch.......

2020dad ·
Glad this was revived... When I commented originally I can't believe I failed to say a couple things. First big time kudos for your son being an A student and second good for him with working hard to get in athletic shape! He is on the right track.
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Re: 2020 just wants to pitch.......

LuvMyKids ·
Thanks for the kind words 2020DAD.....
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

RJM ·
Just a simple question ... Why would a kid listen to a sixteen year old versus a professional pitcher? Your heart is in the right place. I’m just not sure the effort will be effective.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
I guess the simple answer is that younger pitchers can be more relatable to kids than a pro. Also, not many pros have a Free detailed program online that teaches kids how to go from t-ball to HS Varsity level. Possibly because pro's are either busy or want to be paid in some way for their time. Granted there is no revolutionary information being relayed. Most of the content is "best practices" type of stuff. But, Good information can come from anyone. A lot of the pitching instruction videos...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

JCG ·
I agree with you -- good content is good content, regardless of the age or experience of the presenter. Certainly pro pitchers bring more credibility to the table, but they are not necessarily good coaches and communicators. I think the video you linked to is pretty good and I hope the kid keeps it up.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@JCG Thanks for the reply. I think that if kids took the time and effort to engage in positive projects like this, it should be encouraged. There are enough people already on the other side of the equation giving criticism. How many pro's are teaching online and opening themselves up for criticism?
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Scott Munroe ·
It is really cool to see a young man trying to give back to the community and the game! Creating a YouTube channel for pitching will bring value to many who may not have the resources to secure professional instruction. Feedback for improvement: 1) Watch a few YouTube videos on Camera presence. He does a great job of showing enthusiasm, but some thought should go into the viewer's experience as well. Meaning, all the unnecessary movement takes away from the viewer's ability to focus on the...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@Scott Muroe Thanks for the feedback and the suggestions. I feel like your post is a good example of how forums like this should be used. Meaningful and constructive feedback is not always easy to come by on forums. Thank you! I'll pass the sentiment along. I think that collaboration with other programs may be a little ways down the road given time and age constraints.
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Scott Munroe ·
You are welcome! Also, I agree the forum should be a place for feedback....how else can you learn if you do not ask for feedback? In defense of those who choose not to provide feedback, this forum has a couple of members on it that have ruined it for people like you and I apologize for that. There many good people on this site who have a wealth of knowledge that would love to help continue an up and coming player's success. You know who they are...just PM them with your questions. Just for...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Go44dad ·
Why can't a 16 year old be an effective coach? Who knows? I am certain my son could teach younger kids to pitch better than a lot of coaches out there. I do just want to put one thing out there. I live in Texas. If my HS son gives lessons, helps someone out with baseball or similar and gets paid for it, it is a UIL violation and if you play on a high school team all of the games can (and most likely will) be forfeited. It happened here a couple years ago. ...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@go44dad Thanks for the reply and heads up. At this time, the you-tube channel and all the content is free and he is not getting paid for anything. But that is a good point about the various rules around players getting paid. Thanks you!
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

cabbagedad ·
I just took a quick glance at this from work with no audio. My observation may be useful from this different perspective. The video is 4:18 long. There are three short 5 second action clips (two of them being identical). The remaining 4+ minutes are video of a guy talking. I don't even know what the topic was but kids young and old require a much higher ratio of visual demonstration and less talk. Even if he was just talking about what he was going to be presenting in the future, still need...
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Re: 16u pitcher launched a channel to help younger kids learn how to pitch. Needs your support and input.

Sirloindameaty ·
@cabbagedad Thanks for the reply and the thoughtful feedback. I'll make that suggestion to the channel producer.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
We have had some forfeits due to ineligible player/pitcher based on PitchSmart rules. We have since decided to simply remove the pitcher as the NFHS rules state. Our objective is to eliminate abuse not to punish the entire team with a forfeit.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

CaCO3Girl ·
Perhaps you should explain what happened....the Pitch smart rules are pretty clear.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
PitchSmart rules are clear. However there is no penalty listed. We had two games where teams violated either single game pitch counts or recovery times. Those games resulted in a forfeit. One of those games was forfeited when a pitcher went one pitch over the limit. We have since decided to use the federation rule, rather than forfeit games. It seems that is the fairest way to deal with it while still protecting arms.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

roothog66 ·
PG, Who counts the pitches at PG tournaments as it pertains to the pitching limits? Enforcement of rules like this is always a fine line. If you're too strict, you end up punishing honest mistakes severely and if too lax, you allow abuse. It seems if the penalty is strictly defined as simple correction, it incentivizes coaches to push it - worst that happens is they replace the pitcher and move on. It's a risk without penalty. Having said that, if a coach wants to cheat like this, he'll pay...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
PG, Perhaps this will give you some ideas. In anticipation of Ca going to pitch counts for HS as other states have, and using the PitchSmart guidelines, I created a way to inform our coaches who was and wasn’t eligible to pitch prior to filling out the lineup or putting a pitcher on the bump during a game. I print this report for the coaches and can generate it at any time during a game. Please see the attachment. It lists every player on the roster who has pitched, the # of IPs in their...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
We keep pitch counts for every pitcher. We have just recently developed an automatically produced chart that has pitch counts and required off days. These charts will be made available for everyone to see. Pitch count disputes are handled immediately following each game. We will be using a card that coaches need to sign off on after each game. If there are no disputes those pitch counts for each pitcher are entered into the pitch charts.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

MidAtlanticDad ·
Jerry, I commend you for voluntarily taking on this extra effort and headache. For years all we've heard is that pitch counts are too difficult, messy and expensive to administer in travel team tournaments. PG is leading the way and proving that it can be done if you have the will. Thank you.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

roothog66 ·
To be fair, though, PG can provide a lot of services that the vast majority of tournaments and leagues can not. Your local Babe Ruth league just doesn't have the staff that PG has, nor the infrastructure in place to do the kind of things PG can do.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: To be fair, though, PG can provide a lot of services that the vast majority of tournaments and leagues can not. Your local Babe Ruth league just doesn't have the staff that PG has, nor the infrastructure in place to do the kind of things PG can do. That’s part of why I created that report. As you know I’ve paid very close attention to the stories where states like yours have gone to pitch counts, and that report seemed like a logical step to take. It makes absolutely no...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
We only started doing tournaments for the younger age groups recently. The older groups are working out well. The younger teams are where we see the biggest problems. There is a real need for pitching rules at those ages. Our events alone are not enough. Many other organizations are getting involved. But it isn't easy and to do it right it adds expense. So, as ROOTHOG mentioned, many just can't do it right, even if they want to. We are actually building a app to make everything much easier...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Go44dad ·
Younger ages are tough. Rosters are much smaller, parent/coach drive to win the games are much higher and arm health isn't top of mind. I want to see a test youth game played where 2 strikes is a strikeout and 3 balls is a walk to see how different the game actually is. (If your a purist, it's ok to roll your eyes)
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
Go44dad posted: Younger ages are tough. Rosters are much smaller, parent/coach drive to win the games are much higher and arm health isn't top of mind. I want to see a test youth game played where 2 strikes is a strikeout and 3 balls is a walk to see how different the game actually is. (If your a purist, it's ok to roll your eyes) All the time my son was in HS, every fall the team would play in a league down at a local JC and 2 strikes was a K and 3 walks a BB. They weren’t doing it for arm...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

CaCO3Girl ·
The roll out of the pitch smart guidelines in youth baseball was bumpy, but as the mom of a 13 and 7 year old, thank you for sticking with it.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

roothog66 ·
While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action.
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PWPW ·
In our local park league we adopted Little League pitch count rules instead of the Cal Ripken rules which allowed a certain amount of innings pitched. We asked coaches to train a parent on each team to use GC instead of a book and it went great. Very few discrepancies. Umpires got coaches to sign pitch count cards aftwr every game.We continue to use pitch count rules through Babe Ruth and also apply them ourselves to the travel tournaments we play in. We play in a USAAA World Series...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action. I’ve heard that too, but after discussing it with a couple of orthos and trainers, a lot depends on the weight, so a small reduction in weight and the benefits should more than make up for any additional stress. Then there’s the argument of faster arm action creating more stress, which I wholeheartedly believe. If that’s true, why...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

hueysdad ·
Guaranteed games and the perception of its value is a big problem at the younger ages. A lot of coaches and parents enter in to these 4 or more guaranteed game tournaments . Well add another 3 or 4 games on to that if you make it to the championship. The younger teams rosters can't handle that much baseball over a three day weekend. There are no PO's . You show me a 12u team with a roster big enough to handle that many games in a weekend I'll show you a team that's lucky to make it through...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

MidAtlanticDad ·
Funny you mention that. I'm following a 12U team at Cooperstown today (championship day). The winner and runner-up will both play five 6 inning games today.
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Stats4Gnats ·
hueysdad, I agree with what you said. But if you really feel that way, why do you let your boy play in those extra games?
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roothog66 ·
I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?"
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. Less strain/wear & tear. It takes more effort to propel a sphere weighing 5.25 ounces 50’ than one weighing 4.5 oz.. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?" Rather than give more opportunities to harder throwers, spread it out among some pitchers who aren’t throwing strawberries through the side of a battleship.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

JohnF ·
Having been on the blue side of a U14 PG tourney last weekend the one "odd" thing I wish coaches would take their collective heads out of you know where about is - when you know your pitcher has only a few pitches left and you're entering a new inning - go with someone new. Nothing like 2-5 pitches, then a pitching change to disrupt the "flow" of the game. One team's pitcher had 2 pitches left - coach says throw strikes. Duh, really. Pitch 1 is a double, pitch 2 a single, and a run. Now we...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Go44dad ·
That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app.
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CaCO3Girl ·
If anyone could actually build this coachsmart app I know SEVERAL coaches who could use it. Could it talk? Can you load in game situations like down by 2, runners on 1st and second, should I bunt with two outs...maybe the app could reply in a cold computer voice "go-back-to-rec-ball" ? (actually saw this happen a couple weekends ago...it was SAD!)
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

Stats4Gnats ·
Go44dad posted: That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app. Yes, there...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
Actually there are some small advantages in being the visitor. Maybe the biggest is in a loss when the home team doesn't hit in the last inning. No doubt, winning by run rule will be even more important. Then again, that has always been important for saving arms. The biggest issue we are seeing is that games can sometimes get longer and playing havoc with schedules. All in all, it is well worth the problems it creates.
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Go44dad ·
I'm a big supporter of the Pitch Smart guidelines being implemented, as well as the State HS pitch counts going into effect. Definitely worth it.
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. Those are pretty good numbers to have in 8th grade but it's way too early to tell where that will lead, what your competitive make-up is and a host of other factors. The numbers are important but there is WAY more that goes into it. Work on making a good HS player first. Mechanics, agility, strength, work ethic, character, passion, competitive fire, ability to thrive against the best, ability to handle failure, etc., etc. Some develop early and taper off, some develop...
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Re: Pitching

Brensdad ·
Spartans42, Is that where you sit, or max velocity?????
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Spartans42 ·
@Brensdad I consistently hit 75 top out at 76
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Buckeye 2015 ·
As others have said....just too early to tell but with your size, I'd expect you can get that velocity to increase quite a bit over the next couple of years. Keep working on getting stronger. I'd also try to get that change up speed up to 67-68.....it doesn't need to be 13 mph difference to get outs....and it's likely 62 will get hit pretty hard especially if you end up pitching to HS guys that are 2-3 years older than you.
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Re: Pitching

Go44dad ·
Don't be scared of the change up. Throw it with conviction. Makes your fastball faster. It's a great pitch. Velocity is important, get stronger. But learn to pitch. Even MLB'ers are still learning.
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Re: Partially Torn UCL right before senior year

MidAtlanticDad ·
Did Dr Ciccotti talk to you about the "Primary Repair" technique? I have read that it significantly reduces rehab time, but the surgeon won't know for sure whether or not you're a candidate until the scope is in your elbow. May be worth investigating. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/...my-john-alternative/
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Re: Partially Torn UCL right before senior year

lionhurler ·
Thanks! He didn't discuss surgery much since hes hoping I can rehab it but I'll bring it up to him at my follow up appointment in 2 weeks. Although if I have the surgery in August, 6-7 months recovery would bring me back during the first month of our season, it may be worth considering.
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Re: Partially Torn UCL right before senior year

RedFishFool ·
Based upon orthopedic advice, my son sat out 6 weeks at the end of his senior HS season. He then rehabbed from approx. May 20 thru July 10. Got to college, nothing hurt, per se but his velocity was down 3-4 MPH and then slowly dropped further until he called and said elbow was hurting again. Had to have TJ surgery. Was told PRP would make it feel better but that in the Ortho's opinion (Kremchek), it was a short term fix and son would be right back in 5-6 month needing TJ surgery. He elected...
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Re: Partially Torn UCL right before senior year

lionhurler ·
Thanks for sharing your experience! That's exactly what I don't want to happen and it adds on to the similar stories I've heard. Obviously I wont make any final decisions until I see my doctor again and discuss with him but I'm leaning towards surgery because with grad school as an option it seems to give me the best chance to play my 4th year.
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Re: Minimum Velocity to pitch in college

3and2Fastball ·
"How good you are at other things"... What do you mean, specifically? Are you talking about being a two way player? Pitching and playing another position as well? Or being a Pitcher/DH? That kind of thing There are pitchers at the low level D3's that throw high 70's to low 80's
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