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Re: Recruiting/Future help

CTbballDad ·
Definitely need a list, reach out and assume it's a part time job, but 8th grade is far too early IMO. I always think how would I react, if I were the coach, when communicating. Think my eyes would roll inside my head if I was receiving outreach from 8th graders. I sent my son to a camp at UCONN October of his freshman year, just for the experience of being on a college field (no Idea at the time it was a recruiting/$ tool). Coach Penders told my son he was the youngest there by 1.5 years.
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4arms ·
Point taken. Thank you.
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cabbagedad ·
4arms, he's on a good track but just too young for colleges to really want to follow or care to hear from just yet. At least let him get to HS and compete at the V level. And, along the way, make sure you both fully enjoy the HS experience (don't let the recruiting process distract too much from that or prevent him from having the fun a HS kid should have). If he sticks with baseball and plays in college, it will become a much bigger sacrifice of time and other activities once he heads off...
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Buckeye 2015 ·
I wouldn't be too worried. 6' lefties throwing 82-83 are fairly common...especially in baseball hotbeds. To get an offer before his sophomore year in HS he'd have to be something truly special. This coming summer should be really interesting for you...especially if he can consistently be 85-86. That seems to be the "magic number" for velo. The other MAJOR issue is the ACT score. 18 is likely going to prevent him from going to a D1....23-24 would be better, but still a stretch for some of the...
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PABaseball ·
If your kid is good enough to be recruited as an 8th/9th grader he won't need to email coaches. They will already know who he is. 80 is good for a freshman, but until he sniffs 85 or is a rising senior he is not a college prospect on any school's radar.
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Good Knight ·
Just my 2 cents worth but need that ACT higher. But I know of parents that paid 5K to go from 22 to 30!
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Fmr coach now Dad ·
All great advice above, in fact maybe the most informative post if read on here. I would agree with it all. To me the glaring thing is there is a difference between “topping” 87 and “sitting” 87. In the Northeast it seems like for most mid major D1 they wait to see you sit 85. And if it’s 84 they wait. Saw it happen with many kids I coached. Some eventually made it and some didn’t. But in the end as a LHP when they starting sitting 85 then the gates opened. For RHP in general it seemed like...
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jaylu0204 ·
WOW - Things have changed and I haven't been on the forum in a while. I'm blown away by the responses and how informative/accurate they were. Thank you guys so much. Such a great resources for people struggling w/ similar issues. I wanted to update you on my son's story. He had a banner sophomore year in HS. Had a 1.42 ERA in 34 innings in the state's highest classification, led his team in hitting and ... was on the mound when his team won the state championship! LOL, things couldn't have...
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cabbagedad ·
Huge congratulations!! Great to hear things have worked out so well for him... so far . Now, the real work begins!
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RoadRunner ·
Congrats! So happy for your family. Keep the good news coming.
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
We have had some forfeits due to ineligible player/pitcher based on PitchSmart rules. We have since decided to simply remove the pitcher as the NFHS rules state. Our objective is to eliminate abuse not to punish the entire team with a forfeit.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Perhaps you should explain what happened....the Pitch smart rules are pretty clear.
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PGStaff ·
PitchSmart rules are clear. However there is no penalty listed. We had two games where teams violated either single game pitch counts or recovery times. Those games resulted in a forfeit. One of those games was forfeited when a pitcher went one pitch over the limit. We have since decided to use the federation rule, rather than forfeit games. It seems that is the fairest way to deal with it while still protecting arms.
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roothog66 ·
PG, Who counts the pitches at PG tournaments as it pertains to the pitching limits? Enforcement of rules like this is always a fine line. If you're too strict, you end up punishing honest mistakes severely and if too lax, you allow abuse. It seems if the penalty is strictly defined as simple correction, it incentivizes coaches to push it - worst that happens is they replace the pitcher and move on. It's a risk without penalty. Having said that, if a coach wants to cheat like this, he'll pay...
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Stats4Gnats ·
PG, Perhaps this will give you some ideas. In anticipation of Ca going to pitch counts for HS as other states have, and using the PitchSmart guidelines, I created a way to inform our coaches who was and wasn’t eligible to pitch prior to filling out the lineup or putting a pitcher on the bump during a game. I print this report for the coaches and can generate it at any time during a game. Please see the attachment. It lists every player on the roster who has pitched, the # of IPs in their...
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PGStaff ·
We keep pitch counts for every pitcher. We have just recently developed an automatically produced chart that has pitch counts and required off days. These charts will be made available for everyone to see. Pitch count disputes are handled immediately following each game. We will be using a card that coaches need to sign off on after each game. If there are no disputes those pitch counts for each pitcher are entered into the pitch charts.
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Jerry, I commend you for voluntarily taking on this extra effort and headache. For years all we've heard is that pitch counts are too difficult, messy and expensive to administer in travel team tournaments. PG is leading the way and proving that it can be done if you have the will. Thank you.
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roothog66 ·
To be fair, though, PG can provide a lot of services that the vast majority of tournaments and leagues can not. Your local Babe Ruth league just doesn't have the staff that PG has, nor the infrastructure in place to do the kind of things PG can do.
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Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: To be fair, though, PG can provide a lot of services that the vast majority of tournaments and leagues can not. Your local Babe Ruth league just doesn't have the staff that PG has, nor the infrastructure in place to do the kind of things PG can do. That’s part of why I created that report. As you know I’ve paid very close attention to the stories where states like yours have gone to pitch counts, and that report seemed like a logical step to take. It makes absolutely no...
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Re: PG Pitching Rules

PGStaff ·
We only started doing tournaments for the younger age groups recently. The older groups are working out well. The younger teams are where we see the biggest problems. There is a real need for pitching rules at those ages. Our events alone are not enough. Many other organizations are getting involved. But it isn't easy and to do it right it adds expense. So, as ROOTHOG mentioned, many just can't do it right, even if they want to. We are actually building a app to make everything much easier...
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Go44dad ·
Younger ages are tough. Rosters are much smaller, parent/coach drive to win the games are much higher and arm health isn't top of mind. I want to see a test youth game played where 2 strikes is a strikeout and 3 balls is a walk to see how different the game actually is. (If your a purist, it's ok to roll your eyes)
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Stats4Gnats ·
Go44dad posted: Younger ages are tough. Rosters are much smaller, parent/coach drive to win the games are much higher and arm health isn't top of mind. I want to see a test youth game played where 2 strikes is a strikeout and 3 balls is a walk to see how different the game actually is. (If your a purist, it's ok to roll your eyes) All the time my son was in HS, every fall the team would play in a league down at a local JC and 2 strikes was a K and 3 walks a BB. They weren’t doing it for arm...
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CaCO3Girl ·
The roll out of the pitch smart guidelines in youth baseball was bumpy, but as the mom of a 13 and 7 year old, thank you for sticking with it.
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roothog66 ·
While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action.
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PWPW ·
In our local park league we adopted Little League pitch count rules instead of the Cal Ripken rules which allowed a certain amount of innings pitched. We asked coaches to train a parent on each team to use GC instead of a book and it went great. Very few discrepancies. Umpires got coaches to sign pitch count cards aftwr every game.We continue to use pitch count rules through Babe Ruth and also apply them ourselves to the travel tournaments we play in. We play in a USAAA World Series...
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Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: While it may be counterintuitive, the evidence suggests that a lighter ball increases stress on the arm because it allows for faster arm action. I’ve heard that too, but after discussing it with a couple of orthos and trainers, a lot depends on the weight, so a small reduction in weight and the benefits should more than make up for any additional stress. Then there’s the argument of faster arm action creating more stress, which I wholeheartedly believe. If that’s true, why...
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hueysdad ·
Guaranteed games and the perception of its value is a big problem at the younger ages. A lot of coaches and parents enter in to these 4 or more guaranteed game tournaments . Well add another 3 or 4 games on to that if you make it to the championship. The younger teams rosters can't handle that much baseball over a three day weekend. There are no PO's . You show me a 12u team with a roster big enough to handle that many games in a weekend I'll show you a team that's lucky to make it through...
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MidAtlanticDad ·
Funny you mention that. I'm following a 12U team at Cooperstown today (championship day). The winner and runner-up will both play five 6 inning games today.
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Stats4Gnats ·
hueysdad, I agree with what you said. But if you really feel that way, why do you let your boy play in those extra games?
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roothog66 ·
I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?"
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Stats4Gnats ·
roothog66 posted: I'm no sure what benefits a smaller, lighter ball would have. Less strain/wear & tear. It takes more effort to propel a sphere weighing 5.25 ounces 50’ than one weighing 4.5 oz.. I'm also not sure I understand your second point. By "reduce the work of the harder throwers, what do you mean?" Rather than give more opportunities to harder throwers, spread it out among some pitchers who aren’t throwing strawberries through the side of a battleship.
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JohnF ·
Having been on the blue side of a U14 PG tourney last weekend the one "odd" thing I wish coaches would take their collective heads out of you know where about is - when you know your pitcher has only a few pitches left and you're entering a new inning - go with someone new. Nothing like 2-5 pitches, then a pitching change to disrupt the "flow" of the game. One team's pitcher had 2 pitches left - coach says throw strikes. Duh, really. Pitch 1 is a double, pitch 2 a single, and a run. Now we...
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Go44dad ·
That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app.
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CaCO3Girl ·
If anyone could actually build this coachsmart app I know SEVERAL coaches who could use it. Could it talk? Can you load in game situations like down by 2, runners on 1st and second, should I bunt with two outs...maybe the app could reply in a cold computer voice "go-back-to-rec-ball" ? (actually saw this happen a couple weekends ago...it was SAD!)
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Stats4Gnats ·
Go44dad posted: That's pitch count baseball. Welcome. Expect teams to choose visitors if there is a coin flip, warm up two starting pitchers, turn in line up cards with no positions (if allowed), then choose their starting pitcher based on how many runs they scored in the first. Also, expect even slower play, as coaches try and limit innings in a game to save pitching. Expect more aggressive play when up 8-1 to get to the run rule. That's all programmed into the "coachsmart" app. Yes, there...
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PGStaff ·
Actually there are some small advantages in being the visitor. Maybe the biggest is in a loss when the home team doesn't hit in the last inning. No doubt, winning by run rule will be even more important. Then again, that has always been important for saving arms. The biggest issue we are seeing is that games can sometimes get longer and playing havoc with schedules. All in all, it is well worth the problems it creates.
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Go44dad ·
I'm a big supporter of the Pitch Smart guidelines being implemented, as well as the State HS pitch counts going into effect. Definitely worth it.
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Re: PG Super 25 16U Qualifier Win - Team Going To Jet Blue in Ft. Myers

CatsPop ·
Congrats GOV to the team + your son. You are going to love Ft. Myers!
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Re: PG Super 25 16U Qualifier Win - Team Going To Jet Blue in Ft. Myers

PGStaff ·
GOV, Thanks, nice to hear your comments. Congratulations and best of luck in Ft Myers.
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proudhesmine ·
Sure they will enjoy the trip.My guys team went two consecutive years had alot of fun.
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

baseballhs ·
I'm in no way an expert, but my 2020 is talking to a few schools and 2 came from attending the school's prospect camp and the other came from a coach being at a PBR event and seeing him. For the camps, the talked to him there and then had us stay and tour and then contacted his hs coach to have him set up calls. At PBR, I was sitting behind the coach and he called our club coach while he was there and asked my son to call on his way home. Not sure what state you are in,but the guy who runs...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

coachld ·
Make sure you pay attention to the recruiting calendar. It is quiet period thru 2/28/18 and contact period from 3/1/18-7/31/18. If pitcher/catcher camp is during quiet period, coaches can only see your son play while on their campus. Prospect camps are usually better during quiet periods with bigger events/showcases being better during contact periods. During contact period, make sure your son contacts those schools down south that he is interested in and lets them know where and when he...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

BaseballinCT ·
With your son's previous PBR participation, hopefully he will get invited to the PBR Futures Games in Indy in July as it is by invite only and the player must be uncommitted at the time of the tourney. Cost is @ 100 plus travel/lodging and may be in your neck of the woods. There are dozens of colleges there including schools from down south. My son and a summer teammate went this year (they are 2019). Son's teammate had a great tournament and a handful of southern schools (and others) took...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

BOF ·
Start by making a list of his 1. Stretch schools 2. Competitive 3. Easy. Make a mix of DX programs. Get the recruiting coaches and head coaches email address and send an introduction email with a profile (academic and athletic) Research the schools rosters and see where they recruit players from also as many in the south recruit mostly from their state due to state financed scholarships. I would consider all of those schools stretch schools. I would make sure you find out the contact...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

CaCO3Girl ·
UA/Baseball factory was kind of a joke. You get what you pay for. Yes, $99 to evaluate, the evaluation included a radar gun reading that was off by 10+ mph, when I asked about that he said he had been hearing that, the one kid was 90+ at other events and barely broke 80 at this one, and he'd look into it. Oh and your son made one of our national teams, and told me a date when my son would be in school, so I said no, sorry he's in school that week. He said oh well, not a problem, he made this...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

Iowamom23 ·
It sounds like he might have some specific schools in mind. Or if not, take a look at the rank percentage index to find the best southern schools, check their web sites for academic information and develop a list of schools that fit his criteria. Once you have that, email the coaches directly with links to your video and recruiting web site. You'll get camp invites, but also may generate some deeper real interest. And if he really likes the school, go to the camp if you can afford it.
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

Chicago643 ·
Unless you are a serious stud or trying to get into a program that recruits nationally like a service academy, you would be well served by looking at the rosters of the teams you are interested in to see where their players are coming from. Most recruit regionally. If you aren’t in their region, you will be contributing to that programs bottom line a few times to get in front of those coaches to have a look at you. Unless you are just what they are looking for and stand out. You are going to...
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Re: Next steps - guidance needed!

MWdad ·
Thank you for the replies. I will take something from each of the comments to build a tighter plan w my son. Totally agree on "southern" schools likely interest in a northern kid but want him to pursue dream/goal until becomes very clear it's not happening. i also agree there are a bunch of great schools in Midwest and that would be our preference, unfortunately not his (yet). I guess still a little unsure of next move for exposure or maybe just need to let the next 9 months or so play out:...
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Re: PG Grade/Top Prospect List Chances?

3and2Fastball ·
My guess based on your sixty time & exit velo as a SS is you will be given a 7 but that might be bumped up to a 7.5 based on the 82 across the infield. Would the 82 mph fastball and strong pitching performance bump you up to an 8? Maybe, I'll be interested to find out Here is the thing though: even if you get a 7 or 7.5, as a 2020 you have time to improve those measureables and get a higher score. Keep working on getting faster & stronger. What is your size? (Height & Weight?)
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Dingerswag1223 ·
I'm a primary pitcher, and I'm 6'0" 150 lbs. I was hoping that given I'm mostly a pitcher and nothing much else, they'd look past all that and focus on how I did pitching (I'm hoping that's an 8).
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