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Nonamedad ·
Watched Maryland vs Illinois on BTN the other day both pitchers in the low to mid 80s
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roothog66 ·
Ditto on control. Gaining control doesn't mean pitch slower, though. We have just in the past couple of days had RC's express concern over his high school stats (and they always told me schools don't care about the high school stats) - 19 BB's in 19 IP. Not to mention the 7 HBP's. It's definitely been far worse than normal due to his early season injury and struggling with both arm slot and arm action changes, but it was a red flag for them.
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Baseball-Dad ·
Did the RC's see him pitch and express concern using the stats as justification? Or did they not see him pitch and just cited the stats? The latter would be pretty weak...
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2019Dad ·
It doesn't surprise me, Root. I believe that it is entirely rationale to discount good HS stats -- who knows the level of competition -- but that bad high school stats can be a red flag. So the hitter who is batting .500, well, it might mean nothing. But the batter who is striking out in 45% of his plate appearances is a bad sign, even if he is playing at the highest level of high school competition.
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roothog66 ·
They had seen him in the past, but this year has been rife with speculation. He didn't pitch early because of the back pain and, while he didn't avoid anyone who asked what was wrong, he also didn't go out of his way to explain. So, at one point, I was warned by someone we know that many schools were speculating that he had an arm injury. With that also cam a lot of speculation concerning his somewhat unconventional mechanics, etc. Now that he is healthy and on the mound, they look at stats...
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roothog66 ·
Yeah, I think they can rarely help you, but can easily hurt you. We have a stud 2019 on our team who committed to an SEC program last summer with a pretty good #. He just ended his high school season. .229 batting average. I wonder if his future school looks at that are ignores it. He is a guy with all the physical tools, though.
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rynoattack ·
It wouldn't surprise me if it bothered them some, but I doubt it would be the only factor they would look at. It may cause them to want to see him in person again, but honestly, the high school season is such a small sample size for a hitter, I don't think his stats would matter much. I don't think HS Stats matter a ton, but I would never totally discount them either. A walk an inning, and 7 HBP's in 19 innings would make a coach cautious. I am not nearly the stats guy that some are, but I...
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roothog66 ·
Not as much as hits, though. Guys who otherwise don't let the bat hit the ball can get way with more walks, like a young Randy Johnson, but, yeah, walks definitely hurt. I think the more concerned parties about the HBP's would be the next team we play. He's got a reputation. He throws hard, concentrates on pitching inside and comes high sometimes. The thing that makes me cringe is that 4 of those 7 HBP's have been head shots. Having seen that this year, I've really got to give a shout out to...
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CaCO3Girl ·
Gavin, did you have any more questions?
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Gavin crowley ·
My parents are not tall at all, 5'11 and 5'6, but I get my height from my moms 4 brothers, who are all 6'3+. One at 6'6. So I don't expect to get too much bigger, hoping to get one or two more inches. And I am very familiar with the Ruffnecks, they have an amazing program, but my age group's team is better. For some reason 14u Ruffnecks aren't as great as the others, although they are still a great team.
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Gavin crowley ·
Yes my travel team is pretty good. We enter many tournaments and we are going to Nashville this June.
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Gavin crowley ·
My arm health and stability is my #1 baseball concern. I won't throw at all if my arm doesn't feel right. Thankfully, my coaches are extremely attentive to my arm health, and they do a great job of managing it.
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Gavin crowley ·
Unfortunately I am a righty. I have wanted to be a left my whole life lol. My control is not perfect but it certainly isn't bad at all. I usually walk 1 or 2 if I throw a complete game. However, I tend to fall behind in counts sometimes and I am forced to come back. This rises my pitch count, but I normally get away with 90-95 pitches in a complete game. It's a little much, so I am working to get that down.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Gavin, how many innings do you think you throw in a calendar year, like January-December?
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Gavin crowley ·
Thanks everyone for the responses! I'm certainly looking into all of them!
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StrainedOblique ·
88-90 on the right side 85-87 on the left. Also, you want to differentiate between. 'Sitting' 88 and ' Topping ' 90 A good scout or RC is looking at where a guy 'sits' as much or more than where he 'tops' Keep in mind you do need the numbers on the gun to get looks from D1 schools but once you get there it's different . D1 coaches want guys that get 'outs'. That's it. I've seen 75 mph in D1 and 91 at D3. But ultimately , the radar gun numbers get you in the door. Getting outs regardless of...
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joes87 ·
Gavin, I highly suggest you open up another thread asking about what things are important in a travel team. I just looked at the Ruffnecks website and they have an extensive list of Alumni as well as a pretty impressive program setup. Im not sure if all these folks were brought up through the program or just played there for one year and left. There is a world of difference between a good travel team and a program that is built to get kids in front of college recruiters. Over the years my...
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ClevelandDad ·
Gavin - I am not a pitcher's parent but what you've posted here seems mightily impressive. Here is a different way of evaluating things. Start attending college games at all levels and sit near or behind home plate. Most/many programs have someone charting pitches and they usually have a radar gun. Peak over their shoulder and see how fast guys are pitching. See how they locate their fast balls. Do they take a little off and add a little on to their fastball to keep hitters constantly off...
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RJM ·
Attending D1 games is good advice. Keep in mind a Rhode Island game (A10) will look different from a Boston College game (ACC). A mid week game with a #4 or #5 starter will look different than a Friday game with a #1.
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9and7dad ·
If you found the Ruffnecks alumni list then it should list the years they played in the program. Both my sons are alums of that program. Unlike some other area teams, they only field one team per age group and the kids play the entire season. Some clubs have lengthier alum lists but they count kids that may have only played a single weekend or very few games, and/or they run several teams per age. I wouldn't say which approach is better, just pointing out they can be very different.
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3and2Fastball ·
I'm not familiar with the Ruffnecks, but one thing I can tell you is with top flight Travel Programs, oftentimes their 14U and younger teams are only pretty good, mostly because families don't want to pay top dollar for travel ball prior to 15U. Then at 15U the best talent comes out of the woodwork to try out The best Travel Program in the Wisconsin/Illinois border area is Hitters. They had two 1st Round MLB picks and one 2nd Round pick from just their 2017 class alone, along with a bunch of...
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RJM ·
It's not just the talent comes out of the woodwork. The programs chase the talent. They've been tracking players at the lower levels when they were the competition. i got to know a dad whose son played for one of the top 17u teams in the country. Our son's started playing against each other at 13u. Only four players from the 13u team made the 17u team.
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joes87 ·
Very familiar with the Hitters program. My comments earlier about the best program for recruiting not necessarily being the best travel program were in relation to the team my son played on. They are a "companion" program to the Hitters down here in the western suburbs of Chicago. We played the Hitters a lot. Spent a good portion of my summer and fall weekends up at Nash park for the better part of a couple of years. My son's program and the Hitters are very similar, in fact those kids that...
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Gavin crowley ·
I was looking into the RuffNecks this past summer. Believe me, I read everything about their alumni, and teams this year. I wanted to play for them badly, unfortunately, their facilities are much too far, I did not want to ask for too much. I 100% know how much of an advantage it would be, but my travel team is also very good, and has a good recruitment reputation.
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Gavin crowley ·
I know I threw 45 for travel, not sure for middle school. I probably threw a total of 75-80 innings. Arm health is my #1 concern.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Good luck Gavin. Please do your research or even post another question about innings pitched, pitches thrown, and general arm care. Lots of conflicting advice out there, but please form a plan on paper. Those are a lot easier to follow. Are your parents, or perhaps an older sibling, helping you? Lots of information to sift through...I can't even imagine my 14 year old coming on here and asking anything, he's still trying to figure out which shirt best matches his work out shorts and how best...
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RJM ·
He's still trying to figure out which shirt best matches his work out shorts and how best to wear his glasses on his hat, lol! This stuff matters. My son didn't get nicknamed "Hollywood" in high school without an effort. He nailed quiet, confident cool with a 10.
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Go44dad ·
Hi Gavin! Thanks for posting. That's a lot of innings, but sometimes it is more important how the innings are spaced. I think you know what I mean. If you throw 2 innings on Friday, and then 4 more on Saturday, not the best. Look up the pitch smart guidelines. They are pretty good. What I do for my son is write down the date, # of innings and # of pitches. It helps to keep track. Good luck and take care of that arm!
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Kayvon L. ·
Hi Gavin. It sounds to me like your on the right track. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll be a stud!!!!!
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SanDiegoRealist ·
I am watching the SEC tournament, Texas A&M pitcher is pretty consistent at 87-88 on the fastball...watch Miami vs. Georgia Tech earlier, pretty much the same. All this talk about 90+ in recruiting sure doesn't seem to translate on the field. As I speak Mizzou's Houck threw a 91 MPH FB and these announcers have really been talking him up.
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Goosegg ·
Heard this in the stands at a recent game: Scout1 "How'd he get this guy throwing 91?" Scout2 "Recruited him when he threw 93." (Don't forget to consider the huge difference in workload, pressure, and academics in college. Lots more innings the work horses throw when compared to HS; this time of year exhaustion sets in - think The Belmont's last 1/8 mile.)
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Branson Baseball ·
90+ in recruiting is more of the reality all the time. More HS guys are throwing harder. And it translates on the field. But I'll agree with Goosegg, way more innings thrown by many college guys than in high school. A schedule with 50+ games at D1...more than double what many high school schedules have. Add in the conditioning and weight training multiple times per week, academics and now finals, interstate travel, etc. My oldest is absolutely gassed right now.
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Nonamedad ·
I have to agree, as a challenge I want everyone to watch the CWS. ESPN has been doing a good job of broadcasting the early round gams. . My experience the last few years is that you won't see the 90+ guys until the final 8. You will see a few, but in the later rounds (final 8) is where the really show up.
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real green ·
From what I have been seeing across most levels is about a 4mph drop for cruising game velocity from max effort velocity. My guess would be college kids cruising at 88mph more than likely can touch 92mph. So kid who can pump it up every now and than to 90mph in a BP will sit 86ish in a game.
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Nonamedad ·
That is true and makes a lot of sense. With my son being a pitcher I never pass on a chance to watch a pitcher on TV or in person, and I just don't see this 90+ much except for MLB, which is to be expected. People I've talked to say if a HS kid is 90+ he'll most likely be drafted, so I guess they are all in A or AA ball somewhere.
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CaCO3Girl ·
Just because you are drafted doesn't mean you accept. LHP touching 91 was drafted in like the 37th round last year from my sons HS, he opted for Auburn. This year LHP touching 93...pretty sure someone will throw his name out there but also pretty sure he's going to GA Tech.
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younggun ·
Nonamedad, there are a lot more 90+ arms out there than you think. Just go to Perfect Game website and search the big tournament in Jupiter. There are over 100 kids topping at 90 and above. Now when you compare that number to the 1000s of kids playing HS baseball I guess it's not a lot. But I can assure you not all the 90+ guys are in professional baseball. My son's college team has 8 guys who ar consistently 90 or above. That doesn't mean every pitch is 90, but they hit 90 or above multiple...
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Nonamedad ·
That's exactly my point, you see these teams in Omaha regularly. My challenge for everyone is to watch the CWS regional and super regional games and we can all see when the majority of 90+ arms show up. We have the top 64 teams in the country, I'm betting it will be down to 16 before 50% are 90+.
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younggun ·
I'm betting it will be down to 16 before 50% are 90+. Are you you talking about teams or individual staffs? There is no way it gets to 16 before you see a 90+ arm as a starter. It may be that deep before you see 50% of the entire staff at 90%. But I guarantee you that almost every team that makes the tournament has at least 1 guy that is 90+. Im not trying to be argumentative and I have nothing to backup my assertion other than what I've seen with my own eyes. Every SEC team we have faced...
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younggun ·
As a follow up to the last post and to answer the original OP, I'm not stating you MUST throw 90 to play at a D1. All I can tell you is from my son's experience, if you don't have the plus velocity, you need pinpoint precision, a bulldog mentality or some other makeup factor that a college recruiter is looking for. My best advice would be to go watch a few games of any schools of interest. See with your own eyes the types of pitchers they recruit. This will give you the best idea of whether...
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Around_The_Horn ·
YoungGun mentioned Jupiter and the number of pitchers there throwing 90+. Here are the exact numbers: Number of Pitchers: 926 Number of Pitchers Throwing 90+: 197 (21%) Number of RHP Throwing 90+: 177 (25% of RHP) Number of LHP Throwing 90+: 20 (9% of RHP) Special note - 15 of the 20 are exactly at 90. As of a month after Jupiter (Data only for 2017 Pitchers): Percentage of RHP throwing 90+ committed: 84% Percentage of LHP throwing 90+ committed: 93% Only 1 had not committed Velocity of RHP...
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Everyday Dad ·
Like YG says. You hit 90 and you get noticed. Kid at our HS consistent at 88/89. Not much interest. Gained 1mph to get to the magic number 90 and the calls came in. Kind of ridiculous really.
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Branson Baseball ·
How hard do I have to throw to go D1? Or some variation of this topic is constantly being discussed. For a RHP, generally speaking, you have to throw hard. And velocity is not the only benchmark, but it's a very important one. PerfectGame is one data point. I know that not all players do PG events. My youngest is a college player and did not. My oldest was a D1 RHP / SS and only did one PG event. That said, if I read PG profiles correctly, the average fastball for 2017 grads clocked by PG in...
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Baseball-Dad ·
87-89 sitting or touching? I find these discussions hard to follow becuse some people use max numbers and other use sitting number. And they can be 3-4mph apart
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RJM ·
Knowing that the poster is in Rhode Island if he cruises 85-87 every New England D1 will be interested. BC will be a little less interested unless he has great command. They have to compete in the ACC. Boston College, UMass, Holy Cross, Northeastern, Harvard, UMass Lowell, Maine, Dartmouth, Bryant, Rhode Island, Brown, UConn, Quinnipiac, Yale, Hartford, Central Connecticut, Sacred Heart and Fairfield. The thing to understand is not all D1's are created equal. There are D2 programs who could...
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howdybaseball ·
Do college coaches look at projectability? Would a 16 year old sitting at 86 get looked at the same way as a 17 year old sitting at 88?
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RJM ·
There are other factors. Size, body frame and year to year progression would be among them. The 16yo might have peaked pitching wise while the 17yo is just getting started.
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howdybaseball ·
So the answer is yes - they do look at projectability. Son is a skinny 16yo 2018 pitcher that throws 86-87 and he has some D1 schools that were interested in him but nothing concrete yet. Hoping this summer seals the deal for him.
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Goosegg ·
"Do college coaches look at projectability? Would a 16 year old sitting at 86 get looked at the same way as a 17 year old sitting at 88?" Too many variables to give a decent answer. RJM hit a few, but there are lots more pieces to the pitching puzzle.
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cabbagedad ·
This topic really gets beat to death here. Those trying to give players and parents a reality check share that a certain high level of velo is necessary to get serious interest/$$$ with top programs. Others (often, those with kids who don't throw quite as hard) throw out examples of guys throwing below that threshold and "doing just fine" with Big School U. It's pretty simple. Velo is very desirable (we have also spent countless discussions explaining why). College coaches look for guys with...
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