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Buckeye 2015 ·
6'2, 160 at 14 with a mid-80's fastball makes this a simple answer...at least initially. He'll get SERIOUS interest if you're at a quality showcase...and as others have said, it doesn't matter if he can throw a strike or not. Realistically, if he gets much taller, the odds of him being a SS are going to get slimmer and slimmer. A 6'5 kid with a cannon in college is going to be 1) a pitcher or 2) an outfielder....assuming he can bat. I wouldn't worry too much about where he plays in the...
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nycdad ·
My 2022 is almost in the same boat, including turning 15 in August. In school ball he plays 2B or SS. He is not a SS....In travel he plays 3B and pitches. What has gotten him attention is FB velo, but for showcases he will do both. I think in the end he'll end up being a PO, but for now he's going to hit until he can't. If your 14yo is mid 80s you may start to get attention from schools. My sone had video of him hitting 85.4 over the winter, and got some attention from schools that didn't...
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ExhaustedMom ·
I guess my frustration is that he is not able to really excel at any position when he is constantly swapped around the field. I know I can showcase multiple positions but it's usually pitcher +1. As far as his age goes, we continue to see huge 15 yos at tournaments. At 14, he's 6'2", 160 and seems small in comparison. I'm just wondering if they'll see his birthdate and realize he is younger and whether that's a pro or con.
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baseballhs ·
Honestly, if you throwing mid 80s at 14 years old he will get a write up at the showcase, even if he doesn’t land a strike. Does it mean anything? not yet. It’s a good experience and it helps them become more relaxed when they are put on the spot to perform. They will usually note projection but 6’2 at 14 isn’t small. My son grew later and we viewed it as a positive. If he could hang when he was smaller, he would be just fine when he grew.
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K9 ·
My strong advice would be for a player to call himself a SS for as long as possible. Coaches always believe that a SS can be moved to any position. My son has a teammate who was a SS through 13U. At 14U he started splitting time equally between SS, 2B and 3B. As a 10th grader he was exclusively a 2B. As an 11th grader he was exclusively at 3B. Yet in PG and PBR lists he is listed as a SS.
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baseballhs ·
You can list multiple positions at showcases. Most kids do when they are younger. At showcases, arm strength is noticed more than consistency. He will always be younger and will be viewed on the same criteria as any other 2022.
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cabbagedad ·
Welcome to the site. Unless he has been getting early attention from big D1 schools, it's a little early to be worrying too much about that. The benefits of showcases at this point would be to get comfortable with the format, get some unbiased verified measurables posted and hopefully get a look at a broader scope of good players so he has a better idea of what he will be competing against when the recruiting efforts become more serious. As he works on refining his skill set, it will become...
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PABaseball ·
6'2 160 is not small at all for a freshman. In fact that is very big. I'm not sure where you would be seeing a lot of kids that make him look small. But once you enter HS age doesn't matter anymore. All that matters is graduating class. No coach is going to care about his age. There are plenty of "young" kids with summer birthdays. Would being a grade lower help? Yeah probably, but it's just something you deal with at this point. What your son needs to do is decide which position he wants to...
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RJM ·
6’2” 160 throwing mid 80’s at fourteen is very projectable as a D1 pitcher. Maybe stockier, more filled out kids look bigger. But your son has great size for his age. There will be college coaches envisioning him throwing 90 in a couple of years. My son was more interested in being a position player than pitching. He was a varsity shortstop until the travel team moved him to center. In individual showcases he did both the infield and outfield drills and played anywhere in scrimmages. In...
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cabbagedad ·
Not a bad idea but depends on the event. Most used to lump IF's (except maybe 1b's) and have them all throw from SS for IF velo so it wouldn't matter in that instance. It's possible that this is changing? BTW, what was his P velo for that event? Still, and again, no hurry for a 2023. The single best thing to do to improve his velo readings is wait a year or two
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ExhaustedMom ·
So I'm not sure where to post this as I'm a new member. My question is my son who is a 2022 grad but will not turn 15 until August of 2019 plays both for his high school and tournament teams. The problem is for high school he pitches and plays shortstop, for tournament he pitches and plays outfield. He has a great fastball (mid 80s) but is an inconsistent pitcher,so is not used often. My real question is where would you showcase him when his position constantly changes? And does anyone else...
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Sonny R ·
My 2023 has only attended one showcase and it was as a pitcher & 1 st base. All of his throws during the position portion of the showcase were from 1 st to 2 nd , and his infield velo was clocked at 70 mph. He can throw much harder than 70 mph (FB clocked at 80 MPH). Should he identify as a middle infielder or 3 rd base at the next event so that he has the opportunity to get his infield velo up?
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Sonny R ·
Cabbagedad: He has 3 pitches he throws with any regularity; FB (79-80), Slider (74-75), and a change (72-74). He started throwing a sinker/2 seam in practice and flat surface but only used it a few times in a game. He’s about 6’0”/180 lbs and growing.
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cabbagedad ·
Cool! Promising for the future. Time to relax and enjoy for you... time to work hard and enjoy for him.
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ExhaustedMom ·
Thank you all for the comments. These forums are excellent in the fact that I feel I'm not alone! I think out first step may be to do 1 showcase and get some good numbers but in the meantime keep doing what he's doing.
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cabbagedad ·
Well, shoot, you got me started ... As a side note, he may want to keep in mind as he develops... just a bit more differential between FB velo and changeup velo would be advisable. There are a few easy ways to knock the CU velo down a tick without showing less arm speed/effort. And, IMO, if he isn't above-average sharp with each of the first three pitches you mention, I think he would benefit far more by focusing on honing those rather than start tinkering with a fourth. Three looks is...
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JABMK ·
The old saying still applies " if you hit....they will find a position for you." Playing multiple positions can be an advantage as it gives a coach options defensively while keeping a bat in the lineup. My son was RC's number 2 choice on th board for his natural position. With Son also playing 2 other positions the RC made a decision to extend an offer anyway with the knowledge that so long as he shows progress with the bat he would have an opportunity to compete at position A, B, C and DH.
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Ripken Fan ·
EM: Welcome to the Board. Your son is still young and should continue to play multiple positions as long as he can and as each team he plays sees fit. Some showcases allow for multiple positions, usually for not much more $. My son was recruited for and received offers playing both MI and CF. He made it a point to keep both OF and IF mitts with him. He was often asked by colleges which position he would play, and he would answer he can and would play either, but felt he had the instincts of...
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2022NYC ·
I agree. I think playing multiple positions is better for your frosh. Regarding age, my kid is November born 2022 and younger than some of the 2023. His measurables (baseball but more importantly grades) are in the 2022 group. For me personally, while it is nice to be the older stud, being younger put a chip on my kid's shoulder and that motivated him to work harder
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Bolts-Coach-PR ·
I wouldn't worry about position at all... Worry about hitting and WORK to be the best, most consistent, most powerful, most linedrive producing to all fields hitter you can be... Position will sort itself out!!!
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Re: 2022 - Where can I get a good assessment?

nycdad ·
As others have said, PBR is best bang for your buck. You didn't mention if pitcher or position.. IMO metrics much more straight forward as a pitcher, obviously more goes into a position player.
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baseballhs ·
And I would agree, if you don't have measurables, PBR is a good value.
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knownothingdad ·
BaseballHS, thanks for the input.
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baseballhs ·
Looks to be D1 based strictly on measurables.
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baseballhs ·
Post his measurables. By sophomore year you can start to get a pretty good idea.
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DesertDuck ·
Take him to a PBR showcase. They're usually not much more than a hundred bucks and he'll get to see how he stacks up with those in and around his age group. Will also get his numbers/measurable's verified and likely posted on their web site (for college coach's to see). I believe 2 franchises recently opened in CA ( 1 north & 1 south). Google search PBR California and you should find all you need to get your questions answered by the franchisees.
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2022 - Where can I get a good assessment?

knownothingdad ·
I've been reading a lot of recruiting advice on this forum, and much of it seems to be specific to the level of the player. The advice given to an elite-level D1 talent is not appropriate for a D3 level player, and vice versa. As he is beginning his sophomore year of baseball and formulating his college recruiting plan, what is the best way for my son to get an honest assessment of his talent level? His high school and travel team coaches are excellent at teaching the game of baseball, but...
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JCG ·
Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams? If you can't find a PBR event in California you could try Trosky Baseball - they do a lot of events and do measurements. If you do not know who are the top travel teams in SoCal, and you don't know anyone who does, this is what I would do -- I can't promise it will work 100% but I bet it will be close. I would open up MaxPreps in one window, and I would pick a few of the top SoCal baseball teams in the state...
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baseballhs ·
2 LHP kids we play with have documented velos 87-89, and aren't getting anything.
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knownothingdad ·
collegebaseballrecruitingguide, he has heard some positive feedback from a few people, but he hasn't been in the travel ball circuit since the age of eight and has made some major improvements in the last year. He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them.
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RJM ·
A lot will depend on where he goes with velocity. He has the size D1’s love. He needs to get his velocity to 90+ to be a D1 recruit.** You should get him on a travel team or in individual showcases where he can be seen by D1 coaches. At his current measurables he would attract “follow” interest. He should be on a travel team with college contacts who can presell him as a “should see him pitch” recommendation before the events. His pitching coach may be prone to hyperbole. But “a lot of...
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knownothingdad ·
LousyLefty, good point. He was asked to play as a guest player on a more recruiting-oriented team.
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LousyLefty ·
He plays on a travel team whose coaches focus on fundamentals and getting better, not on college recruiting. Several people have mentioned more recruiting-focused programs. Sounds like we'll need to consider joining one of them. If he went to the AZ Sophomore Cassic I’m guessing the program is somewhat focused on college recruiting, that’s the point of the Classics.
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Smitty28 ·
I would take a look at teams that attended (and did well) Perfect Game WWBA and Jupiter, and USA Baseball Team Championships. The list will include BPA, CBA, GBG, SD Show for starters.
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knownothingdad ·
PABaseball, thanks for the advice. Do you know how I might start compiling a list of the top SoCal travel teams?
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PABaseball ·
Take him to tryouts for the Top 10 or so travel ball teams in SoCal/AZ. If he makes any of the A teams that is a very good sign. 86 and size will get him D1 offers this coming summer if he has an off speed and can get the ball within the vicinity of the plate. I don't know how much he has been throwing or playing this fall but start making some phone calls to set up workouts. I know a few teams from the travel circuit, I'm sure the CA guys on here can point you in the right direction as well...
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knownothingdad ·
Baseballhs, here are his measurables. 6'4", 205 lbs, LHP/1B/OF, FB max 86mph, FB avg 82-84mph Here are a few other data points. High School: played varsity as a freshman for a Division I team in San Diego. 2.50 ERA in 14 innings, 7 appearances. .220 BA in 46 plate appearances with one HR. Arizona Sophomore Fall Classic: 4 2/3 innings, 9Ks, two hits, no runs
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baseballhs ·
Agree, we know several lefties that are hitting 87-88, but even non P5 D1s are wanting the 90. Granted, done of them are 6'4, and that plays into it. Assuming he isn't maxed out on velo, he projects D1. Take him to some camps at schools he is interested in. If they start falling all over him, you know you are in the right pond.
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CTbballDad ·
Your son has the frame and measurables to be a sure fire D1 prospect. I would make a list of schools he would like to go to and get in front of them ASAP. 6’4” LHP hitting 86 MPH at such a young age, will have coaches falling over themselves. Personally, I would also convert him to a PO so he can focus on all the small things related to pitching.
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If this is the first time he’s hearing this, with that size and metrics I would be shocked. Where the heck are you playing ball at that this kid isn’t already on a ton of radars?!
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knownothingdad ·
NYCDAD and DESERTDUCK, thanks for the PBR tip. He has played in a PBR tournament, but not a showcase. I will look into it. Would he get an objective assessment at a college camp, or would it be standard boilerplate feedback (get in the gym, work hard in school, etc.)?
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Knownothing, just PM’d you...give me a call
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That is far from what I am seeing. 87-88 as a LHP will get you an offer (D1)
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