10 SPL time measure at PG Showcase - what is this

It's the time for the 1st 10 yards of the 60 yd.  (First ten yard split)...  gives coaches and scouts a sense of how quickly players get off the starting line.  

(forgot to put "10" in there)

We feel it is a very important measurement.

If 2 tenths equals a full stride and you had one shortstop run a 1.5 ten yards and another run a 1.7, which one would have more range?  Actually to some degree that would hold true for every position.  It would also tell you who the legitimate base stealers are.

There might be a hundred or more sprinters that can beat Usain Bolt in the first 10 yards, but no one can beat him in 100 meters.  Baseball players can be the same way.  We have seen splits that are very revealing, such as 1.75/6.6 and 1.5/7.1.  It could be argued that, in many ways, the latter has more of an advantage in baseball, despite being a half second slower in 60 yards.  It is the reason the best base stealers aren't always the guys with the best 60 yd times.

However, there are times when late speed is actually more important. When scoring from 1B on a double.  Ideally you want the distance from 3B to HP to be the fastest distance covered.  It allows the 3B coach to make better decisions and it is where you either make it or you don't.  So in cases like that you could argue that later speed, or maintaining speed is more important.

Humans are like race horses or Greyhounds.  Some are faster at the beginning, some are faster at the end.  It is our belief that being faster at the beginning is more important in baseball.  And for the few that are fastest at both the beginning and at the end, they are extra special!  

PGStaff posted:

We feel it is a very important measurement.

If 2 tenths equals a full stride and you had one shortstop run a 1.5 ten yards and another run a 1.7, which one would have more range?  Actually to some degree that would hold true for every position.  It would also tell you who the legitimate base stealers are.

There might be a hundred or more sprinters that can beat Usain Bolt in the first 10 yards, but no one can beat him in 100 meters.  Baseball players can be the same way.  We have seen splits that are very revealing, such as 1.75/6.6 and 1.5/7.1.  It could be argued that, in many ways, the latter has more of an advantage in baseball, despite being a half second slower in 60 yards.  It is the reason the best base stealers aren't always the guys with the best 60 yd times.

However, there are times when late speed is actually more important. When scoring from 1B on a double.  Ideally you want the distance from 3B to HP to be the fastest distance covered.  It allows the 3B coach to make better decisions and it is where you either make it or you don't.  So in cases like that you could argue that later speed, or maintaining speed is more important.

Humans are like race horses or Greyhounds.  Some are faster at the beginning, some are faster at the end.  It is our belief that being faster at the beginning is more important in baseball.  And for the few that are fastest at both the beginning and at the end, they are extra special!  

Thanks for the explanation, appreciate the detail and analysis. Makes sense to me that if this a station-to-station game, being quick is more important than being fast. So, that begs the question, if two players meet your examples above (1.75/6.6 and 1.5/7.1), who thinks the 7.1 player will get looks ahead of the 6.6 guy? 6.6 is an impressive number and stands out. 7.1 isn't a slouch, but that isn't usually what a D1 or even a D2 wants to recruit.

Honestly, I would be most interested in the 6.6 runner.  Even though the quicker guy might be very interesting and could be a more valuable player right now.

Reason being I could help the slower starter improve his initial speed and be a 6.4 runner with a 1.5 10 yards.  The guy that runs a 1.5 now is still probably not a lot better than a 7.1 60 runner, unless he cuts a lot of time out of his start.  A 1.35 would be a world class 10 yard time.  So he doesn't have much room to improve. One tenth difference is huge in 10 yards!

Whenever talking about running, there are two things to think about.

1. Position, while running ability is important at every position, it is an absolute must at some positions.

2.  Hitting ability, there are players in the Big Leagues, even Hall of Famers that have never ran a 7.1 in their life.  There have been thousands of DI players that have never ran a 7.1.

So you don't pick players based on one thing, like speed.  You have to weigh everything that a player can bring to the table and predict what might happen in the future.  Sure would make it easy if all the best players were the fastest runners.  

PGStaff posted:

We feel it is a very important measurement.

If 2 tenths equals a full stride and you had one shortstop run a 1.5 ten yards and another run a 1.7, which one would have more range?  Actually to some degree that would hold true for every position.  It would also tell you who the legitimate base stealers are.

There might be a hundred or more sprinters that can beat Usain Bolt in the first 10 yards, but no one can beat him in 100 meters.  Baseball players can be the same way.  We have seen splits that are very revealing, such as 1.75/6.6 and 1.5/7.1.  It could be argued that, in many ways, the latter has more of an advantage in baseball, despite being a half second slower in 60 yards.  It is the reason the best base stealers aren't always the guys with the best 60 yd times.

However, there are times when late speed is actually more important. When scoring from 1B on a double.  Ideally you want the distance from 3B to HP to be the fastest distance covered.  It allows the 3B coach to make better decisions and it is where you either make it or you don't.  So in cases like that you could argue that later speed, or maintaining speed is more important.

Humans are like race horses or Greyhounds.  Some are faster at the beginning, some are faster at the end.  It is our belief that being faster at the beginning is more important in baseball.  And for the few that are fastest at both the beginning and at the end, they are extra special!  

PG is putting the 10 SPL on their site but not the 60. Has the 60 been downgraded in importance?

Elijah posted:

PGStaff posted:

We feel it is a very important measurement.

If 2 tenths equals a full stride and you had one shortstop run a 1.5 ten yards and another run a 1.7, which one would have more range?  Actually to some degree that would hold true for every position.  It would also tell you who the legitimate base stealers are.

There might be a hundred or more sprinters that can beat Usain Bolt in the first 10 yards, but no one can beat him in 100 meters.  Baseball players can be the same way.  We have seen splits that are very revealing, such as 1.75/6.6 and 1.5/7.1.  It could be argued that, in many ways, the latter has more of an advantage in baseball, despite being a half second slower in 60 yards.  It is the reason the best base stealers aren't always the guys with the best 60 yd times.

However, there are times when late speed is actually more important. When scoring from 1B on a double.  Ideally you want the distance from 3B to HP to be the fastest distance covered.  It allows the 3B coach to make better decisions and it is where you either make it or you don't.  So in cases like that you could argue that later speed, or maintaining speed is more important.

Humans are like race horses or Greyhounds.  Some are faster at the beginning, some are faster at the end.  It is our belief that being faster at the beginning is more important in baseball.  And for the few that are fastest at both the beginning and at the end, they are extra special!  

PG is putting the 10 SPL on their site but not the 60. Has the 60 been downgraded in importance?

USA baseball isn't even having players run the 60 any more.

We still put up the 60 times and the 10 yard times.  I'm not sure what would cause someone to feel differently.  Is there an example?