I think that is pretty much the story for Bonnie. When they play a good team it is usually out of league so W's against "good" teams don't mean much for them since the opposing team is usually saving their aces for league play. They do have some talented kids but I belive teams need to be challenged and play some hard fought league games that mean something prior to getting into playoffs.
Another FYI I read in the paper this morning that the CIF southern section will now allow coaches to be in contact with the kids year round. This will certainly change the dynamics over the next couple of years. Certainly will effect multi sport athletes like my son. Might be worth a new thread for discussion.
Royal d. Moorpark
Agoura d. Westlake
Simi d. NP
TO d. Calabasas
Big, big upset. 3 teams stay tied for last playoff spot. Moorpark and NP have better schedules but Westlake v. Moorpark still looks like the big game.
Wed:
Agoura v. Moorpark - adv. Moorpark
TO v. Royal - Toss up, winner could still overtake Simi
Simi v. Westlake - adv. Simi but can't overlook Westlake bats
NP v. Calabasas - adv. NP but chance for Calabasas to play the spoiler
Agoura d. Westlake
Simi d. NP
TO d. Calabasas
Big, big upset. 3 teams stay tied for last playoff spot. Moorpark and NP have better schedules but Westlake v. Moorpark still looks like the big game.
Wed:
Agoura v. Moorpark - adv. Moorpark
TO v. Royal - Toss up, winner could still overtake Simi
Simi v. Westlake - adv. Simi but can't overlook Westlake bats
NP v. Calabasas - adv. NP but chance for Calabasas to play the spoiler
Westlake d. Simi
TO d. Royal
Calabasas d. NP
Agoura d. Moorpark
Big loss for NP. If Westlake wins on 5/2 NP has very little chance.
Not as big a loss for Moorpark as a win v. Westlake on 5/2 puts them right back in it. On the other hand a loss eliminates them.
Predictions for 5/2:
Westlake v. Moorpark - Toss up. Moorpark's pitcher held Westlake @ Moorpark but was in trouble throughout. (5IP, 10H, 4bb, 2ER) Game is at Westlake. Depends on if Moorpark's pitcher can have a big game and if Westlake has anything left on the mound.
NP v. TO - Adv TO as they are fighting for seeding in the playoffs.
Agoura v. Calabasas - Doesn't affect playoff hopes
Simi v. Royal - Toss up, rivalry game.
Moorpark d. Westlake - Expected a higher scoring game.
TO d. NP
Simi d. Royal
Calabasas d. Agoura
Looks like it comes down to the last game of the season. If Moorpark and Westlake both win or both lose I believe Moorpark goes to the playoffs, but I'm not certain of that. Hard to believe but I think the tiebreaker is who has gone to the playoffs most recently. I think that eliminates NP who can finish in a tie at best.
Predictions for last games on Wed.
Moorpark v. TO - TO is trying to win league, Moorpark is fighting to make playoffs. Hope not, but have to go with my prediction from before the season that Moorpark would end up 6-8 in league so I have to give TO the edge.
Westlake v. Calabasas - More incentive for Westlake but they just haven't played that well lately and Selarz will probably go for Calabasas - Toss up.
NP v. Royal - edge to Royal
Simi v. Agoura - Simi
TO d. Royal
Calabasas d. NP
Agoura d. Moorpark
Big loss for NP. If Westlake wins on 5/2 NP has very little chance.
Not as big a loss for Moorpark as a win v. Westlake on 5/2 puts them right back in it. On the other hand a loss eliminates them.
Predictions for 5/2:
Westlake v. Moorpark - Toss up. Moorpark's pitcher held Westlake @ Moorpark but was in trouble throughout. (5IP, 10H, 4bb, 2ER) Game is at Westlake. Depends on if Moorpark's pitcher can have a big game and if Westlake has anything left on the mound.
NP v. TO - Adv TO as they are fighting for seeding in the playoffs.
Agoura v. Calabasas - Doesn't affect playoff hopes
Simi v. Royal - Toss up, rivalry game.
Moorpark d. Westlake - Expected a higher scoring game.
TO d. NP
Simi d. Royal
Calabasas d. Agoura
Looks like it comes down to the last game of the season. If Moorpark and Westlake both win or both lose I believe Moorpark goes to the playoffs, but I'm not certain of that. Hard to believe but I think the tiebreaker is who has gone to the playoffs most recently. I think that eliminates NP who can finish in a tie at best.
Predictions for last games on Wed.
Moorpark v. TO - TO is trying to win league, Moorpark is fighting to make playoffs. Hope not, but have to go with my prediction from before the season that Moorpark would end up 6-8 in league so I have to give TO the edge.
Westlake v. Calabasas - More incentive for Westlake but they just haven't played that well lately and Selarz will probably go for Calabasas - Toss up.
NP v. Royal - edge to Royal
Simi v. Agoura - Simi
Wow! Spoke too soon. It turns out Calabasas still might be in the race. If they beat Westlake and Moorpark loses then they'd be tied with Westlake and Moorpark at 6-8. I don't know when they last made the playoffs.
It turns out Calabasas went to the playoffs in '06 with a 6-8 record in league so they'd lose the tiebreaker to Moorpark if having been to the playoffs more recently really is the tiebreaker.
Moorpark has their destiny in their own hands most likely with a win on Wednesday getting them into the playoffs, but they're playing the best and hottest team in the league.
Westlake has been playing poorly and is going up against Calabasas' ace. A win would probably put Westlake in the playoffs but not if Moorpark beats TO.
Back in '05 Moorpark and Westlake had a playoff game to decide who went to the playoffs, but they had split with each other that year and only those two teams were tied. I don't know what happens if both Moorpark and Westlake win on Wednesday. Perhaps Moorpark having won both games during the season would send Moorpark to the playoffs or perhaps it would require a playoff game. If both teams lose then it would be at least a 3 way tie with Calabasas, and possibly a 4 way tie with Newbury Park. In that case I believe Moorpark would go to the playoffs, but I'm not certain.
It turns out Calabasas went to the playoffs in '06 with a 6-8 record in league so they'd lose the tiebreaker to Moorpark if having been to the playoffs more recently really is the tiebreaker.
Moorpark has their destiny in their own hands most likely with a win on Wednesday getting them into the playoffs, but they're playing the best and hottest team in the league.
Westlake has been playing poorly and is going up against Calabasas' ace. A win would probably put Westlake in the playoffs but not if Moorpark beats TO.
Back in '05 Moorpark and Westlake had a playoff game to decide who went to the playoffs, but they had split with each other that year and only those two teams were tied. I don't know what happens if both Moorpark and Westlake win on Wednesday. Perhaps Moorpark having won both games during the season would send Moorpark to the playoffs or perhaps it would require a playoff game. If both teams lose then it would be at least a 3 way tie with Calabasas, and possibly a 4 way tie with Newbury Park. In that case I believe Moorpark would go to the playoffs, but I'm not certain.
Just checked Maxpreps and if I read this correctly this how the races will end up with. I am sure CAdad will correct me if I am off slightly:
Maramonte: TO/Simi joint champions with Royal getting a playoff spot. One of my personal favorites - Westlake died on the vine so to speak.
Pacific View: Oxnard won out and will take championship - Camarillo 2nd with Hueneme getting a play off spot.
Channel League: Santa Barabara 1st, DP 2nd, with Ventura winning last night to get a playoff spot
Tri-Valley: St. Bonnie as usual, Oak Park is 2nd and looking better with Malibu getting a playoff spot.
Don't know about farther south as have to get back to work
Maramonte: TO/Simi joint champions with Royal getting a playoff spot. One of my personal favorites - Westlake died on the vine so to speak.
Pacific View: Oxnard won out and will take championship - Camarillo 2nd with Hueneme getting a play off spot.
Channel League: Santa Barabara 1st, DP 2nd, with Ventura winning last night to get a playoff spot
Tri-Valley: St. Bonnie as usual, Oak Park is 2nd and looking better with Malibu getting a playoff spot.
Don't know about farther south as have to get back to work
There are 4 playoff spots for the Marmonte League. I'm not certain, but I believe Westlake, Moorpark and Calabasas tied for 4th. I think there will be a playoff between those 3 teams. My guess is that there will be a coin flip and 2 of the teams will play each other and the the winner of that game will play the winner of the coin toss with the games being Thursday and Friday. That's the rumor that was going around. I know that TO beat Moorpark and that Calabasas was leading Westlake by 2 late in the game.
BOF,
Moorpark is playing Calabasas on Thursday at Simi High School. The winner of that game will play Westlake on Friday. I think Moorpark has a decent starter available to go against Calabasas. This obviously gives the team that only has to play one game an advantage as Moorpark and Calabasas will have both used their number 2 starter before the Friday game and Westlake will be able to throw their #2.
Moorpark is playing Calabasas on Thursday at Simi High School. The winner of that game will play Westlake on Friday. I think Moorpark has a decent starter available to go against Calabasas. This obviously gives the team that only has to play one game an advantage as Moorpark and Calabasas will have both used their number 2 starter before the Friday game and Westlake will be able to throw their #2.
Good Luck! Will be interesting to see what the brackets look like once the come out. I guess they will be out over the week-end or early next week.
I think they are supposed to come out on Monday.
Moorpark d. Calabasas so it is Moorpark v. Westlake on Friday for the final spot. Should be interesting to see who each team throws. Could be a high scoring game.
From what I could tell Moorpark's coach took a necessary gamble v. Calabasas that didn't quite work out even though it ended up with a win as they had to use both their #2 and #3 starters. If he uses the pitcher I think he is going to start with today that will be an even bigger gamble, but anyone else he could use would also be a bit of a gamble.
Down the lines it is fairly short at CCS and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few balls fly out of there. Westlake will most likely use the same pitchers they used against Moorpark last week but I'd expect Moorpark to handle them a bit better this time so the game may still be a toss-up.
From what I could tell Moorpark's coach took a necessary gamble v. Calabasas that didn't quite work out even though it ended up with a win as they had to use both their #2 and #3 starters. If he uses the pitcher I think he is going to start with today that will be an even bigger gamble, but anyone else he could use would also be a bit of a gamble.
Down the lines it is fairly short at CCS and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few balls fly out of there. Westlake will most likely use the same pitchers they used against Moorpark last week but I'd expect Moorpark to handle them a bit better this time so the game may still be a toss-up.
Crepsi (22-5) won the Mission Title again, as did their JV team who went 22-3.
The varsity team seems to get hit by the press for losing game 2nd game of double headers first to Palos Verdes then to Thousand Oaks. No one seems to notice that Crespi played their reserves and no staters in the 2nd game of both double headers against Palos Verdes and Thousand Oaks starters.
The varsity team seems to get hit by the press for losing game 2nd game of double headers first to Palos Verdes then to Thousand Oaks. No one seems to notice that Crespi played their reserves and no staters in the 2nd game of both double headers against Palos Verdes and Thousand Oaks starters.
The pitcher I said was the big gamble didn't get out of the first inning. Westlake won and will head to the playoffs.
All in all, it looks like what I predicted back on February 2nd came true. The pitchers with the talent weren't developed and weren't ready when needed. They did get a fairly nice performance out of one of the juniors after things had essentially been decided. Hard to tell if the wins in the tournament games gave them the confidence to do OK in league or if going for wins in tournaments kept them out of the playoffs.
All in all, it looks like what I predicted back on February 2nd came true. The pitchers with the talent weren't developed and weren't ready when needed. They did get a fairly nice performance out of one of the juniors after things had essentially been decided. Hard to tell if the wins in the tournament games gave them the confidence to do OK in league or if going for wins in tournaments kept them out of the playoffs.
MTS,
TO didn't use any of their starting pitchers in either game vs. Crespi.
TO didn't use any of their starting pitchers in either game vs. Crespi.
CIF SS brackets are up at:
http://www.cifss.org/sports_category.php?id=3&menu=20
Some of our local highlights:
Royal@Canyon
Simi home vs Vista Del Lago
Westlake@Hart
TO home vs Millikin
Oxnard home vs Wildcard TBD
Dos Pueblos@Palos Verde
Santa Barbara home vs Damien
St Bonnie vs Wildcard
Ventura home vs Redondo (wildcard gm)
Camarillo home vs Alta Loma
http://www.cifss.org/sports_category.php?id=3&menu=20
Some of our local highlights:
Royal@Canyon
Simi home vs Vista Del Lago
Westlake@Hart
TO home vs Millikin
Oxnard home vs Wildcard TBD
Dos Pueblos@Palos Verde
Santa Barbara home vs Damien
St Bonnie vs Wildcard
Ventura home vs Redondo (wildcard gm)
Camarillo home vs Alta Loma
Here we go w/ 1 round predictions based on nothing:
Los Al
Royal
Capo
Mater Dei
Lakewood
Valencia
JSerra
Simi
Hart
Canyon Springs
Tesoro
Wilson
TO
Saugus
El Modena
Lutheran
Los Al
Royal
Capo
Mater Dei
Lakewood
Valencia
JSerra
Simi
Hart
Canyon Springs
Tesoro
Wilson
TO
Saugus
El Modena
Lutheran
Ok, I'll bite.
D1, round 1 winners
Los Al, Canyon, Capo, Mater Dei, Lakewood, Valencia, JSerra, Simi, Hart, Canyon Spr, Tesoro, Wilson, TO, Norco, El Modena, OLu (I think OLu will play Lakewood or Los Al in the finals).
But why stop with DI?
DII, round 1 winners
Redlands EV (will beat either of the WC A teams), Tem Vly, Chino Hills, Oxnard, Katella, Upland, Orange, PV, VM, Alta Loma, SB, PR, El Toro, Crescenta Vly, Rialto, West (my guess here is that West will go very, very far, may even take it all).
DIII, round 1 winners
Crespi, La Serna, Don Lugo, S Hills, Loyola (will win wild card and then beat Mayfair), San Gorgonio, Laguna Hills, Paramount, Cajon, Uni, Quartz Hill, El Rancho, Alhambra, Paloma Valley, Nogales, ND/SO (Crespi all the way).
DIV, round 1 winners:
Northview, Barstow, Torrance, Malibu, Sonora, Kaiser, Lompoc, St. Bone., La Habra, Santa Monica, Granite Hills, Charter Oak, Cath. City, Anaheim, Patriot (gotta go Patriot all the way here).
Don't know anything about the rest, so....
D1, round 1 winners
Los Al, Canyon, Capo, Mater Dei, Lakewood, Valencia, JSerra, Simi, Hart, Canyon Spr, Tesoro, Wilson, TO, Norco, El Modena, OLu (I think OLu will play Lakewood or Los Al in the finals).
But why stop with DI?
DII, round 1 winners
Redlands EV (will beat either of the WC A teams), Tem Vly, Chino Hills, Oxnard, Katella, Upland, Orange, PV, VM, Alta Loma, SB, PR, El Toro, Crescenta Vly, Rialto, West (my guess here is that West will go very, very far, may even take it all).
DIII, round 1 winners
Crespi, La Serna, Don Lugo, S Hills, Loyola (will win wild card and then beat Mayfair), San Gorgonio, Laguna Hills, Paramount, Cajon, Uni, Quartz Hill, El Rancho, Alhambra, Paloma Valley, Nogales, ND/SO (Crespi all the way).
DIV, round 1 winners:
Northview, Barstow, Torrance, Malibu, Sonora, Kaiser, Lompoc, St. Bone., La Habra, Santa Monica, Granite Hills, Charter Oak, Cath. City, Anaheim, Patriot (gotta go Patriot all the way here).
Don't know anything about the rest, so....
no11,
Not too different on the D1 so we're probably both wrong.
I do think TO has a chance to upset Lutheran depending on how the pitching matchups go. Of course, TO could also lose before getting that far also. Royal got a tough draw but could do pretty well even so. Simi probably doesn't have the pitching to go that far despite their hitting. Westlake just doesn't have the pitching depth. TO is probably the best playoff team coming out of the Marmonte league.
Not too different on the D1 so we're probably both wrong.
I do think TO has a chance to upset Lutheran depending on how the pitching matchups go. Of course, TO could also lose before getting that far also. Royal got a tough draw but could do pretty well even so. Simi probably doesn't have the pitching to go that far despite their hitting. Westlake just doesn't have the pitching depth. TO is probably the best playoff team coming out of the Marmonte league.
I think being home has huge benefits for tournament games, so in general the higher seeds and home teams “should” win, but if a team runs into and hot pitcher and they could get K’d. I think that behind Johnson Westlake might knock off Hart, beyond that it might be difficult. In general defense and pitching wins but Simi might be able to power through on their bats. Agree on TO. Saugus might be a sleeper. DP might knock off Palos Verdes. St. Bonnie coach was in the local paper and talking about going all the way, being a “poor small school competing with big schools” bla, bla, bla, They might make it through two games based on their seeding, but once the going gets tough they will get knocked off.
Someone is going to knock off a top seed. Who might that be?
Someone is going to knock off a top seed. Who might that be?
CADad:
haha. You're probably right on - we're both probably wrong.
BOF: I was just looking around DP and I might change from PV winning to DP - they look very strong in the hitting area, and PV is not that strong hitting - very good fielding however, with decent pitching (but DP can hit their ace I think).
I still think it will be LosAl or Lakewood v. OLu in DI finals.
For DII, West beat Wilson and West is a very strong team - seniors who have played together since they were little guys, and all on the same travel teams, too. They know each other like the back of their hands.
Gotta stay with Crespi in DIII and Patriot in DIV. Gee, I think Crespi and Patriot could even take the DI and DII teams and win or at least give them a good run for it. Wouldn't you like to see Lollis and Skipworth go against Cole? Wow.
Eh, well.
haha. You're probably right on - we're both probably wrong.
BOF: I was just looking around DP and I might change from PV winning to DP - they look very strong in the hitting area, and PV is not that strong hitting - very good fielding however, with decent pitching (but DP can hit their ace I think).
I still think it will be LosAl or Lakewood v. OLu in DI finals.
For DII, West beat Wilson and West is a very strong team - seniors who have played together since they were little guys, and all on the same travel teams, too. They know each other like the back of their hands.
Gotta stay with Crespi in DIII and Patriot in DIV. Gee, I think Crespi and Patriot could even take the DI and DII teams and win or at least give them a good run for it. Wouldn't you like to see Lollis and Skipworth go against Cole? Wow.
Eh, well.
Does CIF post results somewhere that we can follow?
I watched the Ventura vs Redondo game last night. Redondo won 2-0 but I suspect they will get killed in Redlands. Neither team looked very good. Redondo won behind a Soph who did his job by throwing strikes and keeping the ball down. I had his velocity at 74-76, not a particularly good breaking pitch but Ventura was rolling over the top of his FB all night. I don't want to take anything away from him because he did his job, but I think my son's Freshmen team saw better pitchers. Just goes to show you how tough it is getting through because of one bad game and your done.
I will try to get to one of the other games in the region on Friday either Simi or TO. I am leaning toward Simi just to see how their bats look.
I watched the Ventura vs Redondo game last night. Redondo won 2-0 but I suspect they will get killed in Redlands. Neither team looked very good. Redondo won behind a Soph who did his job by throwing strikes and keeping the ball down. I had his velocity at 74-76, not a particularly good breaking pitch but Ventura was rolling over the top of his FB all night. I don't want to take anything away from him because he did his job, but I think my son's Freshmen team saw better pitchers. Just goes to show you how tough it is getting through because of one bad game and your done.
I will try to get to one of the other games in the region on Friday either Simi or TO. I am leaning toward Simi just to see how their bats look.