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I was pretty surprised to see the Dodgers sit their top 4 HR hitters in game 2.  Obviously analytics played a huge role in this decision, but two things come to mind:

1)  You can't win with your best players on the bench.  I can't imagine any coach at any level, in any sport, believing you can.

2)  Data is data, and all data tells a story.  I've come to believe that you can see anything you want in data, and the real magic of using it is seeing the right thing, interpreting it properly.  IMO, the Dodgers are misusing the data and blowing it big time.  It may cost Roberts his job, and perhaps it should.

Redsox in 5. But I'm not sure how much more of this I can watch with 4 minute commercials in between innings. Pitchers get 5 warmups in between, it can realistically take one minute to return to play. I think MLB is addressing the wrong topic when they say they're trying to improve the pace of play. While the pace is a little slower, it does not compare to how long the fans are sitting around twiddling their thumbs.

17 half innings. If they cut the commercials from 4 to 2 minutes:

17 half innings x 4 min = 1hr 8 minutes of commercials/extended game time

17 half innings x 2 minutes = 34 minutes of commercials/extended game time

I get it. Commercials make money. But 4 hours to watch a game that features 20 strikeouts is ridiculous. Even at the stadium I find myself looking around saying what is taking so long. This is a big obstacle for baseball 

Smitty28 posted:

I was pretty surprised to see the Dodgers sit their top 4 HR hitters in game 2.  Obviously analytics played a huge role in this decision, but two things come to mind:

1)  You can't win with your best players on the bench.  I can't imagine any coach at any level, in any sport, believing you can.

2)  Data is data, and all data tells a story.  I've come to believe that you can see anything you want in data, and the real magic of using it is seeing the right thing, interpreting it properly.  IMO, the Dodgers are misusing the data and blowing it big time.  It may cost Roberts his job, and perhaps it should.

Pederson v. LHP .170 BA, .512 OPS

Grandal .202, .727

Bellinger .226, .681

Muncy .255, .891

The only one you could make an argument for is Muncy. But in his place ..

Freese, .321, .896 .... .387, 1.068 in the last month

DH Muncy over Kemp? Similar stats v. LHP over season

Kemp in the last month ... .339, .922

The players in the lineup are the right players who haven’t performed.

If you take the Yankees starts out of Porcello’s stats he’s had an awesome season. But, the Dodgers left handed lineup hits for a lot of power and Porcello sometimes gives up a lot of homers. Hopefully, if it happens they’re solo shots. 

 

 

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Does anyone feel like they’re watching a great game? I think I’m watching a pathetic example of what MLB has become. It’s two lineups trying to hit one out on every pitch. Instead they’re popping up and striking out. How can you have strategy if no one gets on? If it wasn’t my team I would have gone to bed three hours ago.

Has Ian Kinsler set himself up to join the Red Sox infamous lore of Johnny Pesky, Bill Buckner and Grady Little? He had plenty of time to reset his feet. Or he could have held the ball and the run wouldn’t have scored on the play.

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RJM posted:

Does anyone feel like they’re watching a great game? I think I’m watching a pathetic example of what MLB has become. It’s two lineups trying to hit one out on every pitch. Instead they’re popping up and striking out. How can you have strategy if no one gets on? If it wasn’t my team I would have gone to bed three hours ago.

Has Ian Kinsler set himself up to join the Red Sox infamous lore of Johnny Pesky, Bill Buckner and Grady Little? He had plenty of time to reset his feet. Or he could have held the ball and the run wouldn’t have scored on the play.

I definitely think that if the Red Sox lose the series this could go down as the "Kinsler Game".  In addition to the error he had that adventure on the bases: picked off first (ump got call wrong), over slid third and should have been out, and thrown out at home.

RJM posted:
Smitty28 posted:

I was pretty surprised to see the Dodgers sit their top 4 HR hitters in game 2.  Obviously analytics played a huge role in this decision, but two things come to mind:

1)  You can't win with your best players on the bench.  I can't imagine any coach at any level, in any sport, believing you can.

2)  Data is data, and all data tells a story.  I've come to believe that you can see anything you want in data, and the real magic of using it is seeing the right thing, interpreting it properly.  IMO, the Dodgers are misusing the data and blowing it big time.  It may cost Roberts his job, and perhaps it should.

Pederson v. LHP .170 BA, .512 OPS

Grandal .202, .727

Bellinger .226, .681

Muncy .255, .891

The only one you could make an argument for is Muncy. But in his place ..

Freese, .321, .896 .... .387, 1.068 in the last month

DH Muncy over Kemp? Similar stats v. LHP over season

Kemp in the last month ... .339, .922

The players in the lineup are the right players who haven’t performed.

If you take the Yankees starts out of Porcello’s stats he’s had an awesome season. But, the Dodgers left handed lineup hits for a lot of power and Porcello sometimes gives up a lot of homers. Hopefully, if it happens they’re solo shots. 

 

 

Well it looks like a little crack in the analytics armor for game 4 - Bellinger and Muncy started against a lefty...

YES!

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cabbagedad posted:

No skin but...  Congrats to Bosox and fans... hard to think of any player who didn't contribute during the playoff run.  So often, on the big stage, it's who chokes the least and which few guys step up.  The whole team just flat out played.  That was impressive.

Drew Pomerantz. Cora used starters in relief and went a long way with Eovaldi to avoid using him. In his defense Pomerantz had arm problems all year. Last year he won seventeen games, had great control and was top ten in ERA.

Swihart caught in game four. Just being an available switch hitter on the bench played with Roberts’ strategy without playing. The other twenty-three players all had significant moments in the post season. 

RJM posted:
cabbagedad posted:

No skin but...  Congrats to Bosox and fans... hard to think of any player who didn't contribute during the playoff run.  So often, on the big stage, it's who chokes the least and which few guys step up.  The whole team just flat out played.  That was impressive.

Drew Pomerantz. Cora used starters in relief and went a long way with Eovaldi to avoid using him. In his defense Pomerantz had arm problems all year. Last year he won seventeen games, had great control and was top ten in ERA.

Swihart caught in game four. Just being an available switch hitter on the bench played with Roberts’ strategy without playing. The other twenty-three players all had significant moments in the post season. 

Yeah, didn't watch and hear everything but figured Pomerantz wasn't anywhere near 100% when they passed on him in the extra inning game and then didn't use him again early the next game.  My only reason for any distant interest there is to keep track of what we Tribe fans lost in trades along the way.

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cabbagedad posted:
RJM posted:
cabbagedad posted:

No skin but...  Congrats to Bosox and fans... hard to think of any player who didn't contribute during the playoff run.  So often, on the big stage, it's who chokes the least and which few guys step up.  The whole team just flat out played.  That was impressive.

Drew Pomerantz. Cora used starters in relief and went a long way with Eovaldi to avoid using him. In his defense Pomerantz had arm problems all year. Last year he won seventeen games, had great control and was top ten in ERA.

Swihart caught in game four. Just being an available switch hitter on the bench played with Roberts’ strategy without playing. The other twenty-three players all had significant moments in the post season. 

Yeah, didn't watch and hear everything but figured Pomerantz wasn't anywhere near 100% when they passed on him in the extra inning game and then didn't use him again early the next game.  My only reason for any distant interest there is to keep track of what we Tribe fans lost in trades along the way.

Pomerantz wasn’t on the roster for the previous two series. Steven Wright has occasional post knee surgery (last off season) issues and couldn’t continue to play. Pomerantz’s veleocity and control have been down all year. Had he been used it would have been to get one left handed hitter out. 

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