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The 2019 Sunshine West Showcase was advertised as being at Irvine Great Park and that was the reason we registered for this event. Looked at the schedule and there are 20 teams with approx. 17-18 players on each team. That's (gulp) about 350 players! A great number of the games are at another park...not at the Great Park.

PG sent an email to register/check-in a day early. Clearly, they took in have too many people ($$$) to process. The first day schedule shows teams arriving early am and the rest of the day is spread out with skills testing and 10 inning games at 6:15pm! That means many players will have to warm-up multiple times, play at night, then rise early and arrive at 7am to play again at 8am. That is basically a double-header with a short power nap in between lol. No logic at all to the schedule.  

This was an invite event and we did not expect this many players and people paid to play at the advertised location. PG has no games at Stadium Field...0. Only 8 games at Great Park and limited to 3 fields...5, 6, 7. Disappointing. How in the world can 350 players get enough play time and get scouted at multiple locations to advance to a higher PG showcase? This event was about $700 and sorry if this sounds whiny, but this is a lot of money for 2 games with 18 players on our team. 

Here is the PG Event info from their website:

The 17th annual Sunshine West Showcase will be June 1-2 at Orange County Great Park in Irvine, CA.  This highlight event, one of seven “Sunshine” events held across the country in May and June to kick off the summer baseball season.  In addition to being the first opportunity for many top young prospects to be evaluated by Perfect Game scouts, the Sunshine series is also the last opportunity for players to earn an invitation to the prestigious Perfect Game National and Junior National Showcases in mid-June.

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FWIW...

Son did the same showcase almost ten years ago.  It was $600 then, so not that much of a leap over that much time.  It was stated as an invite event but, really, anyone who signed up that was a decent player was accepted.  It was not one of their true invite only events - sounds like it is the same.  Games were played at multiple locations then, too, with the measured events and sign-ins all at the central location.  Your player will get measured and posted within the PG system, which is still the most trusted of the lot.  It is a sea of good players and you really have to stand out to stand out.  Sounds like not much has changed.  There is plenty of good and bad to the format.  Get educated and temper expectations.  There are many threads you can search here to help your son know what to expect and be prepared for the event.  

Not sure where your son is in the process or what his skill set and measurables are.  If he truly has something exceptional to show, it will become evident and there will be sufficient eyes on him.  If not, he will learn more about the extent of good players in the area that he is competing with for college roster spots and will have benchmarks officially posted that he can then work toward improving.

Best to him!

Thanks CABBAGEDAD! I wish I had known, but even so we would have gone. We have been to college camps and showcases that limited the numbers to about 75. I knew that this event would be popular, but 350+ players is staggering.  Your advice to "temper expectations" is key IMO and we are going to try and enjoy the process. The scheduling though is really a head scratcher. Play at 6:15 and back at hotel 9 or 10pm after an all-ready very long day and then be back at 7am. One would think that their staff would place the late night teams in the afternoon or late am the following morning. Rest is essential. 

Also, there is apparently a Baseball Factory baseball event at the Great Park same day as PG. Does PG have a backseat to them and don't these organizations communicate to avoid spillover? Anyway, I am going to follow-up afterwards. Fingers crossed for a great event.  

Currently at the Sunshine Northeast showcase, an inaugural showcase here. They changed venues months ago added another 40 mins to the drive, no biggie. They are running over an hour behind and still haven't set up the Diamond Kinectics hitting area ..dude it is just a pop up net, tee and the sensor to put on bat, geez. I would guess 150 players are in attendance.

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Your concerns about the parks and fields are valid and that is something I would also be pissed off about. That being said, games starting at 6:15 at night are nothing out of the ordinary. Getting there at 7am the next morning is normal as well. Tiring, yes? But morning lifts at 6am followed by class from 9am -1pm to practice from 3-6:30 to study hall from 7-9 is a tiring day as well and that is just a standard day in the life of a college baseball player. Which is what he's doing the showcase for. 

When it comes to showcasing and tournaments you really don't want downtime. I hate heading down to Georgia to find out the first game is at 8:00am on Monday and the second game is Tuesday at 5:30 pm. You're there to play baseball, might as well play. 

2017 from OC went to the same showcase in 2016 (when there were no Great Park fields to play in) and also the one in San Diego.  The games were scattered all over various OC high schools but all of the testing was done at JSerra HS.  San Diego was the same way.  If you are hoping to be recruited in the SoCal area, there are literally thousands of players attending various PG and Baseball Factory events--these organizations and college coaches know that there is a ton of talent to recruit from in SoCal and there is a lot of competition for coaches attention.

The college coaches who show up at PG events are there at the testing and then they have their own list of players who they want to go see in the games.  Some players they are already in contact with before the event tell them they will be at PG SW Showcase playing for which team # and give them their game schedule.  My son did that for every showcase event he attended...sometimes coaches responded, some said they would stop by and some never responded.  But that is the way it works for these showcases.

It has been said many times on this website--do not go to these events hoping to be "discovered" and waiting to hear back from the coaches who are there.  Going to a PG showcase in June is extremely valuable in getting a legitimate assessment and independent third-party metrics on a player's skills (60 times, FB velocity, exit velocity, POP times, etc.).  PG inputs all of that information on the player's profile page, which the player can then use as a link in e-mails (same thing for Baseball Factory).  That is the true value of the event--it helps even more getting written up by a scout and making any of the Top Prospect Lists.  There are college coaches around these games, and my son did get follow-up from one school, but the event was really to gauge where his skill set was relative to the other SoCal talent and to have the metrics to send around to coaches.  He used that information all through the Summer leading into his Senior year and it definitely helped generate interest.

As other threads note, events like HeadFirst, the Stanford Camp, Showball and the Arizona Fall Classics are the best events to be actually scouted in game action and make contacts with coaches.  Look at PG and BF events as the base foundation of the recruiting adventure (which is costly no matter how talented a player is).

 

Ok, I said we would go into the event with CABBAGEDAD's "tempered expectations" and follow-up after the event. This is a follow-up post for future parents and players to consider if they plan on going to this event in the future. (BTW...our son was written up and made a list that was very important to him. We were proud.)  

1) To start off, PG sent an email to encourage early registration Friday evening and in doing so would allow players to come at their designated work-out time slot. Well, a lot of people spent time in traffic to register early and were told to disregard email and show up at 9am. Waste of a Friday evening since instead of waiting in line to register Sat 9am, early registrants had to wait around outside the line. Early registration only helped PG.   

PABaseball posted:

I missed this the first time, but was Baseball Factory actually there hosting a showcase as well? If so that is a pretty big problem. $700 for a showcase, you should not being sharing space with another set of prospects. 

2) Arrived sat. 9am to find that PG only had access to ONE field with Baseball Factory hosting a premier showcase as well. Yep, this is not a joke. Baseball Factory had the Stadium complex with jumbo tron and Fields 5 & 6. They were playing games and then doing pro-style work-out and metric testing identical to PG for the Ryan Lemmon foundation. PG only had Field 7 for the workout with hundreds (a literal sea of players standing & sitting around on one field for hours). It was made worse by hearing the announcers from the Stadium introduce players, etc. PG staffers/proctors were even openly complaining about long waits, standing around, not getting breaks or food. Parents were pi$$ed as well watching one player at a time throw from the outfield or take a fungo at SS after the 60 was done. This also ate up valuable precious scout/recruiter time...they were obviously frustrated. To make matters worse was Baseball Factory was efficient and had players moving around fields and then getting breaks for the taco truck and bathroom. PG was overwhelmed...very long 14 hour day and many of the players were sore from having to warm-up so many times.

3) Diamond Kinetics exit velocity station had old balls and players were starting to talk about the balls being crappy. Then a staffer said he would get new balls and came back with new balls. Players used their own bats. In previous showcases, we have used a designated showcase bat and new balls so everyone was measured with same equipment. Ultimately, I think old balls mixed with new balls and different bats will produce skewed data. The numbers PG has are questionable IMO and I no longer trust the data as legit (meaning apples to apples.) One kid swings a 32" ash bat on an old ball and another kid swings a 33" maple bat on a pearl is not resulting in reliable exit velo ability...just my 2 cents.

4) Schedule was tough on some teams and cushy for others. Four teams had late 10 inning games at 6:15pm and early start games at 7:50am. Why does this matter? Well, there were no scouts at our game and the PG staffers behind the screen to the rear of home plate were toast. Just looking at them you could tell they just wanted to go home. I told my wife what a shame for some of the players who shined, especially a pitcher who was amazing. That kid had it all and showed mid-upper eighties (my estimation) and command of 3 pitches. Short 123 innings that deserved a write-up and especially scouts looks. Their write-up of game was very brief.

Early 7:50 am games started with some drizzle and scouts were scarce and did not start arriving in numbers until some time later before 9am. This gave the other teams a bump in exposure and write-ups...exposure is everything IMO  because the metrics data only says so much.

5) Teams had coaches...ours was involved and cared, but some were babysitters literally. It was apparent to all that PG hired some local people who came for the cash only.

6) A dad (I think) went to the tournament director and asked how these teams got singled out for latest night games and earliest morning games and the director said he did not do the schedule and did not seem to care. I mean I saw it before the event. One would think the director would have scanned the initial schedule and made an adjustment. His name was Marcus and is apparently the western director. That was it.

7) THIS WAS NOT WORTH $700! Been to Florida to play BF as a select player and paid a lot, but got a lot. Great instruction, really cool coaches, and well run events and games. Been to AZ for USA and other events and same great experiences considering it all. PG was a bummer though...big time.

8) Friendly parents, umpires never became part of the game and made good calls and pretty accurate strike zone. (Better than typical SoCal HS where they many times see a 22" plate.) lol

9) All the players seemed down to earth and treated each other well. Talent wise there were a lot of really good pitchers & position players.

10) Batting in games was a flash here and there, but no raking. (That reminds me of the live BP station. 10 swings per player only. The pitching proctor was throwing poor live BP. Not dissing on him as he threw hundreds of pitches that I saw and certainly his arm may have been tired. Lots of the batters could not get inside the ball as many pitches were inside resulting in a lot of pull hitting. Saw some players hitting well, but when I saw the write up on batting practice, it was misleading. "feel for the barrel" "has a gap to gap approach" "uses his lower half" etc. Really? It got annoying like a Coach Obvious making stuff up.  

In closing, I think if PG's director put a limit to the number of players, this even would have been better for the players, parents, proctors, and scouts who have limited time. PG director should have known they were second fiddle to a Baseball Factory premier event that on appearance, put shame on PG. Don't schedule next to your rival organization when they have half the players and 3 times the fields and grandstand.       

  

PABaseball posted:

Your concerns about the parks and fields are valid and that is something I would also be pissed off about. That being said, games starting at 6:15 at night are nothing out of the ordinary. Getting there at 7am the next morning is normal as well. Tiring, yes? But morning lifts at 6am followed by class from 9am -1pm to practice from 3-6:30 to study hall from 7-9 is a tiring day as well and that is just a standard day in the life of a college baseball player. Which is what he's doing the showcase for. 

When it comes to showcasing and tournaments you really don't want downtime. I hate heading down to Georgia to find out the first game is at 8:00am on Monday and the second game is Tuesday at 5:30 pm. You're there to play baseball, might as well play. 

You are absolutely spot on. I did this drill at D1 and tell my son what you say all the time. The problem with the schedule was the staff was burned out late at night with no scouts around and groggy in the early 7:50am games with very few scouts around. What I did not pay for was a day of college LOL!

A few things 

The first is that if there is another showcase going on at the same complex that is a problem. A pretty big one. Coaches who came for PG can walk right over to the other. That is call for your money back territory. Or at least a credit towards another. I'm assuming somebody dropped the ball big time when scheduling or the park manager really screwed them. 

The second is that you can't complain about long days. I get it they had a lot of kids, but soreness from warming up too often and stuff like that is a personal problem. When guys are throwing from the OF and taking balls at SS only one can go at a time - so all the coaches can watch. Like I said, too many kids is a valid argument. Late games, fatigue and the structure of the event is something you just deal with. I sat at an area code tryout for 9 hours and one of our teammates was told he made the team before the event was even over. 

As far as the whole babysitter paycheck thing. Showcases are not really designed for instruction. Someone might step in and tweak a thing or two but you're there to showcase your skills, not to learn new technique. These guys don't know your kid and will most likely never see him again. They're not supposed to care, they're just there to make sure the event runs smoother. The truth is that the guy behind home with the radar gun looked exhausted because he was. I'm sure he wasn't happy that he had to be there for 14 hours as well paying attention to 250 guys. 

Congrats to your son on his performance, but I think this was a good learning experience. Truth is that they sell a product, if you don't like it you just take your business elsewhere. Plenty of people have never paid for a showcase and ended up perfectly fine. 

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