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@JucoDad posted:

This thread is a microcosm of being a baseball parent, equal parts elation, fun, concern, frustration and pain. Congrats to those kids doing well, the best of luck to all still filled with anticipation and optimism, but my heart goes out to wish those struggling and injured a better day tomorrow and a speedy recovery. This baseball thing is a really tough gig.

Very well said. It's all still VERY WELL WORTH IT and that's without question. But, it's a helluva roller-coaster ride. And, it's not always a fairytale ending.

@Francis7 posted:

Very well said. It's all still VERY WELL WORTH IT and that's without question. But, it's a helluva roller-coaster ride. And, it's not always a fairytale ending.

The fairytale ending to a baseball career occurs two places : in the movies and in the fantasy of the mind. In real life it’s as rare as a unicorn. Careers end for a multitude of reasons but it’s hardly ever a calm, rational decision by a player. It often involves some sort of traumatic event. And it’s almost always someone else that decides when a player’s days are over. It can be very difficult for some players (and parents) to accept. But in almost every case the experience is worth it. It better prepares the player for the challenges of everyday life. But there does come a time when enough is enough - and when that time comes for your son he needs the support of his parents. Sometimes the parents need support too. HSBBW is a great place to find it.

Hi, folks, glad to be back, but these injuries are pure crapola. I'm afraid to even think about them. I know how much we've all invested in this baseball life, whether our kids have a future in the game or not.

Son's jr season finally started with the team's Florida trip this past weekend.  They were frozen out of games in Pa the first weekend in March and didn't get outside until this past Sunday. Swept a dbl header--son got a win in middle relief for a nice start-- and then gave yesterday's game away, unfortunately.  But we're here another week, the weather's good, and spirits still high.

Looking forward to following everyone's seasons here. Have loved these season threads for all three of my boys.

@Momball11 posted:

Son just got in to start a game. Got on base and was told to steal, and got caught. Other coach asked him why he went and he said because 1st base coach told him to. Then he got yanked. So frustrating.

Sorry to hear it. Not that it changes anything or makes it better for your son, but, for what it's worth, I've seen three different and very successful and laureled college coaches make some extremely petty type moves like this out of anger, disappointment and/or spite. Stuff like this doesn't surprise me anymore.

People say that the Billy Martin and Earl Weaver type managers no longer exist in MLB. And, they are right. Today you have the Aaron Boone and Dave Roberts types. But, Billy and Earl are alive and well in the college coaching ranks. I think it has to do with the fact that the players have so much power in MLB because of their contracts and salary. In the old days, they had none - like the college players today. And, that allows the HC to be a czar and treat people like they do.

From this post and the "draw the line" thread, it looks like your son is in a program that's not healthy for him (or any other thoughtful person, for that matter). I'm sorry you and he are having to deal with this.

Thanks. He's a tough kid and will survive. Hasn't thrown in the towel yet or mentioned "transfer". I on the other hand am questioning if him returning next year is worth the scholarship.

@Francis7 posted:

Sorry to hear it. Not that it changes anything or makes it better for your son, but, for what it's worth, I've seen three different and very successful and laureled college coaches make some extremely petty type moves like this out of anger, disappointment and/or spite. Stuff like this doesn't surprise me anymore.

People say that the Billy Martin and Earl Weaver type managers no longer exist in MLB. And, they are right. Today you have the Aaron Boone and Dave Roberts types. But, Billy and Earl are alive and well in the college coaching ranks. I think it has to do with the fact that the players have so much power in MLB because of their contracts and salary. In the old days, they had none - like the college players today. And, that allows the HC to be a czar and treat people like they do.

I'm hoping it was just frustration and he gets another shot of playing time.

@Momball11 posted:

Thanks. He's a tough kid and will survive. Hasn't thrown in the towel yet or mentioned "transfer". I on the other hand am questioning if him returning next year is worth the scholarship.

@Momball11

My suggestion is to sit down and discuss the situation with him.

I do believe that the college baseball experience (or any sport) can be a learning lesson in life both for the player and the parents.

@TPM posted:

@Momball11

My suggestion is to sit down and discuss the situation with him.

I do believe that the college baseball experience (or any sport) can be a learning lesson in life both for the player and the parents.

I actually just had a discussion with him. He's upset because he's been moved off the travel roster. This means he also won't get as many opportunities to practice because they have travel roster only practices. He just wants a fair shake and in his mind he's not getting one. As a position player he's had 5 plate appearances. While the other 4 players of the same position have had at least 20. Those other players aren't exactly producing either (there's one who's hitting slightly over .200, but the other 3 are under .100). He has a better track record of defensive playing too when considering game and practices.

His options are:

Suck it up, ride it out, and get what little practice he can in with the non-travel team.

Finish out the semester academically, but quit the team and train on his own. Also ask for a release, so he can start pursuing a new school for Fall 2025.

Keep showing up to the travel team practice and hope they don't say anything.

File a formal complaint and maybe a file a lawsuit with the school for discrimination/abuse.

What other options are there? What would you do?

@Momball11 posted:

I actually just had a discussion with him. He's upset because he's been moved off the travel roster. This means he also won't get as many opportunities to practice because they have travel roster only practices. He just wants a fair shake and in his mind he's not getting one. As a position player he's had 5 plate appearances. While the other 4 players of the same position have had at least 20. Those other players aren't exactly producing either (there's one who's hitting slightly over .200, but the other 3 are under .100). He has a better track record of defensive playing too when considering game and practices.

His options are:

Suck it up, ride it out, and get what little practice he can in with the non-travel team.

Finish out the semester academically, but quit the team and train on his own. Also ask for a release, so he can start pursuing a new school for Fall 2025.

Keep showing up to the travel team practice and hope they don't say anything.

File a formal complaint and maybe a file a lawsuit with the school for discrimination/abuse.

What other options are there? What would you do?

  This is tricky and should be carefully navigated. Your strategy needs to consider how much your son wants to continue to play college baseball. It’s unfortunate that it can’t be as simple as doing the right thing or demanding that someone else do the right thing. It should not be this way - but it is.
  Assuming that your son wants to keep playing, this is my advice as a JuCo coach. Do not quit the team. And right now don’t escalate the situation. Tell your son to keep getting reps to maintain his skill level. But start making plans to transfer to another program. Based on the unfortunate circumstances I can not recommend that your son stay in that program. The HC has shown you who he is, so believe him. He has also shown that he doesn’t value your son’s ability by removing him from the travel roster. It’s very likely that the HC wants your son to leave the program. So why would he stay somewhere that he isn’t valued and isn’t treated with respect?
  The action I would take now, and this has to be done very quietly, is to look for another school for next year. And make plans for summer ball. You don’t want the current HC to hear that your son is looking - and I can’t overemphasize the importance of this. It has to be hush hush. He does not need a release to transfer once the season is over. Just make sure he doesn’t sign anything between now and then. If I were in your shoes I would make contact with the other schools that recruited him out of HS. But make sure that the HC of any school that you contact is not tight with your current HC - because coaches talk. It would be prudent to have a 3rd party (that you trust) handle discussions on your son’s behalf (as opposed to your son doing it) It could be a former coach, instructor, etc but it has to be someone with cred in the college baseball world. That person can address the reasons for the transfer when he talks to other schools. It will be better that way IMO. Once you have secured a new destination you can then decide if you want to go public with what has happened. That’s how I would handle it.

@adbono posted:

  This is tricky and should be carefully navigated. Your strategy needs to consider how much your son wants to continue to play college baseball. It’s unfortunate that it can’t be as simple as doing the right thing or demanding that someone else do the right thing. It should not be this way - but it is.
  Assuming that your son wants to keep playing, this is my advice as a JuCo coach. Do not quit the team. And right now don’t escalate the situation. Tell your son to keep getting reps to maintain his skill level. But start making plans to transfer to another program. Based on the unfortunate circumstances I can not recommend that your son stay in that program. The HC has shown you who he is, so believe him. He has also shown that he doesn’t value your son’s ability by removing him from the travel roster. It’s very likely that the HC wants your son to leave the program. So why would he stay somewhere that he isn’t valued and isn’t treated with respect?
  The action I would take now, and this has to be done very quietly, is to look for another school for next year. And make plans for summer ball. You don’t want the current HC to hear that your son is looking - and I can’t overemphasize the importance of this. It has to be hush hush. He does not need a release to transfer once the season is over. Just make sure he doesn’t sign anything between now and then. If I were in your shoes I would make contact with the other schools that recruited him out of HS. But make sure that the HC of any school that you contact is not tight with your current HC - because coaches talk. It would be prudent to have a 3rd party (that you trust) handle discussions on your son’s behalf (as opposed to your son doing it) It could be a former coach, instructor, etc but it has to be someone with cred in the college baseball world. That person can address the reasons for the transfer when he talks to other schools. It will be better that way IMO. Once you have secured a new destination you can then decide if you want to go public with what has happened. That’s how I would handle it.

I would add: While he doesn't want to share plans to leave with the current coach, he also shouldn't tell a single teammate either...not even his best friend on the team. I know this is super hard because they all support and commiserate with each other. But, if you tell just one teammate, it will get to the others. And, one of those others will tell the coach. It's a lock...tell one person and it will get back to the coach.

@Francis7 posted:

I would add: While he doesn't want to share plans to leave with the current coach, he also shouldn't tell a single teammate either...not even his best friend on the team. I know this is super hard because they all support and commiserate with each other. But, if you tell just one teammate, it will get to the others. And, one of those others will tell the coach. It's a lock...tell one person and it will get back to the coach.

Good catch Francis! I meant to add that in my post and left it out. But you are spot on with this point.

@Francis7 posted:

First week of March and we're waiting on an insurance approval for an MRI. Not how you want a season to start off.

Tear in the shoulder of the throwing arm. 90% sure looking at surgery. To be confirmed in the next week or so.

The kicker: HC and assistant coach are still riding him and insisting that he plays with it "because they need him." (He hasn't played since it happened because he can't raise him arm right now.) They keep telling him that it's a pain management thing and he can just deal with it, despite the MRI report that clearly says tear. Oh, of course, he's a sophomore at Juco. So, when his arm falls off in 2 months, it won't be their problem because he's graduating the school.

Sorry TPM, sometimes the coach is really the bad guy.

@Francis7 posted:

Tear in the shoulder of the throwing arm. 90% sure looking at surgery. To be confirmed in the next week or so.

The kicker: HC and assistant coach are still riding him and insisting that he plays with it "because they need him." (He hasn't played since it happened because he can't raise him arm right now.) They keep telling him that it's a pain management thing and he can just deal with it, despite the MRI report that clearly says tear. Oh, of course, he's a sophomore at Juco. So, when his arm falls off in 2 months, it won't be their problem because he's graduating the school.

Sorry TPM, sometimes the coach is really the bad guy.

I know your son is talented. But doesn't his school kick the s*** out of everybody? Not a knock but my guess would be they don't really need him.

I would prioritize his health unless he has decided this will be his last season one way or the other and is willing to manage the pain to get one last season in.

@Francis7 posted:

Sorry TPM, sometimes the coach is really the bad guy.

I am not sure why you made the above comment. I know you are obviously angry but it wasn't necessary.

Did your son have a physical before he signed with the Juco? Was their a prior injury at some point before this injury?Did this happen while in a game?

Did they do any rehab or PT since this happened? Why did it take so long? Did you/he discuss injuries before he signed.

Did they give you specifics on the tear?

Yes there are many coaches that probably shouldn't be coaching.

But this has nothing to do with me.

Season has had some highs and some lows.  But since I'm paying for an ESPN+ subscription, I find myself watching a lot of random college baseball games.  I am especially interested in differences between the broadcasts.  Some have young announcers (even current students), some have old guys who know the program's whole history.  Some announcers keep chatting the whole game, even if it's about their favorite ballpark food; some have only sparse recounting of the plays.  Some have 4 cameras and replay; some have only one camera high up; some clearly have newbies doing the camera, because they are always pointing the camera at the wrong thing.

It's an awful lot of effort to broadcast all these games, I wonder how many people actually watch them?  Especially the teams with almost no-one in the stands.

@TPM posted:

But this has nothing to do with me.

Weren't you the one who made the snarky sarcastic comment in the other thread when someone suggested that a coach was up to something "It's always the coach that's the bad guy"?

Face it, as the mother of a coach, you're biased that all coaches have wings and they all never self-serving and always have nothing but good intentions.

But, as Mr. Povich would say "We have the results and that's a lie."

@TPM and @Francis7 have been both kind to me. The reality is they both have valid points and we all come from different backgrounds and biases. It's those differences that offer multifaceted points to think about.

My own perspective. My son's at a juco. I sent him there in almost 100% health. His only area of concern was a recovering pulled hamstring from early summer. He no longer had pain and was nearly back to full speed. His physician gave him the green light. We researched a lot before sending him to his school. We reviewed players that were there, watched previous games, researched incoming players and felt my son had a good chance of playing as a freshman. My biggest concern was the distance from home, whether the coaches/team would be accepting of him, and how mid year transfers/drop downs would impact his playing potential.

In the fall he arrived ready to go. He found that indeed his preparation paid off in the weight room because he was significantly stronger than many of the freshman. He's smaller than many, but was lifting more than others. He was 2nd fastest in home to 1st and hit numerous HR in BP. What he wasn't prepared for was the jump in pitching. He hadn't seen enough velocity. He had tried prepping with a machine, but that only goes so far. He needed to see live pitching. (We tried getting him on a collegiate summer league for the time between HS and college, but unless you have connections...don't bother). So his fall season was his transition time to get adjusted. His fall AVG wasn't great, but we could see he was adjusting and improving. By the time he came home for winter break he finally felt ready and was looking forward to the spring season.

As a parent, I don't interact with coaches. When he was being recruited my son had a few questions, but I had just one additional question for the coaches when we met with them. I asked if they anticipated bringing in transfers mid year. They said they don't actively recruit, but they usually get a couple (which was accurate from my research). Coach went on to say that they give everyone a fair opportunity regardless of background. That was all I wanted, so that was a solid response for me.

As expected he returned to school to find some had left and new faces replaced the players that had left. He got to work. His coaches have done a solid job in running him through drills. He definitely feels that he is a much better ball player than when he first arrived. The reality is the training is grueling and intense. There is a need for balance as it is a bit too much at times and overuse injuries are happening. The culture is that you need to suck it up because it's through the pain that gains are made. So guys suck it up, when in reality it would be better for them to also remember the value of recovery. There's large rosters, there's someone else to play if a player needs to recover, but this culture of playing through injury is alive and well. With everyone competing for playing time and knowing there's several guys who are just about as good as you...everyone sucks it up. You suck it up. You deal with whatever your coach you have because you love the game and you know you have something to offer. Some are lucky and have great coaches and they are out there. One of my former coworkers left teaching the same time I did so he could coach full time in higher ed and he's an outstanding  individual. But every coach out there has faults. These faults might be thinking effective coaching requires mockery, degradation, excessive/over the top drilling/training, or maybe they let their emotions lead them to poor decisions. Decisions of favoritism, unnecessary punishment, blame.

My own son has been dealing with shoulder pain. He had the trainer check it out. Was told they don't think it's a torn labrum and he was sent on his way to continue. He changed his throwing arm path to compensate. He had a teammate who pulled his hamstring. That guy was given pain medication so he could continue to travel. Then there's the guys that have been self medicating through legal and banned substances. It's disappointing to him to know that's what some guys do and he questions if he'll ever have a fair chance. Some guys use their favoritism as an advantage. Other player's recognize it too, but that's life.

Unfortunately there's only 9 positions on the field. Half the roster is pitchers and it's impossible for one pitcher to be used exclusively, but position players don't. Those position players can have ups and downs, so you may end up waiting for an opportunity while you watch others be in a slump. Does it mean you aren't good enough? Maybe, but it just might mean the guy playing in front of you is favored, maybe his seniority has value, maybe the coaches prefer a guy that will hit one out of the park for every 20 strike outs. There is a place for every player out there, but sometimes even if you're at the right level it doesn't mean you'll get to play. You can stick it out and hope you get an opportunity OR you evaluate and determine your odds of playing may increase if you find a new home. Maybe life throws other issues your way and you decide it's time to retire from being a player because it's no longer worth the time, bodily wear and tear, finances, etc.

My son's learned a lot up to this point. He's grown a lot physical, mentally, and also in independence and maturity. It made him realize he loves the game, he also realized all the previous people that said he could play in college were right. They were also right on their evaluation of what level he should aim for. He's more than ever confident in his abilities as a baseball player. He also learned life's not fair and not everyone is nice and respectful. Not sure how the rest of the season will go, but we're taking everyone's advice and trying to to enjoy the ride and focus on the positives.

Apologies for the long post, but when your usual circle doesn't understand what it's like to be a parent of a college baseball player... it's super nice to know you have friends in this forum who can relate.

@Francis7 posted:

Tear in the shoulder of the throwing arm. 90% sure looking at surgery. To be confirmed in the next week or so.

The kicker: HC and assistant coach are still riding him and insisting that he plays with it "because they need him." (He hasn't played since it happened because he can't raise him arm right now.) They keep telling him that it's a pain management thing and he can just deal with it, despite the MRI report that clearly says tear. Oh, of course, he's a sophomore at Juco. So, when his arm falls off in 2 months, it won't be their problem because he's graduating the school.

Sorry TPM, sometimes the coach is really the bad guy.

Francis so sorry to hear. I hope your son puts his health first so this injury does not impact his future well being AFTER college.

I know he's quite the hitter. Can he DH?

Season has had some highs and some lows.  But since I'm paying for an ESPN+ subscription, I find myself watching a lot of random college baseball games.  I am especially interested in differences between the broadcasts.  Some have young announcers (even current students), some have old guys who know the program's whole history.  Some announcers keep chatting the whole game, even if it's about their favorite ballpark food; some have only sparse recounting of the plays.  Some have 4 cameras and replay; some have only one camera high up; some clearly have newbies doing the camera, because they are always pointing the camera at the wrong thing.

It's an awful lot of effort to broadcast all these games, I wonder how many people actually watch them?  Especially the teams with almost no-one in the stands.

I started watching Vanderbilt games back in 2006. A couple of former college summer ball teammates/friend’s kids were freshmen. The camera was fixed behind home plate. You couldn’t see into the left field corner. The announcers were a couple of kids pursuing communications degrees. My son was a middle school shortstop at the time. He wanted to grow up to be Vanderbilt’s shortstop (Ryan Flaherty). SEC broadcasts have changed just a bit since then.

My son played in an environment where the coaches (not just baseball) were good at getting outside second opinions. My son played through a foot injury  he probably should have sat out the remainder of the season. He had surgery after the season. On February first of the following year he still hadn’t practiced. His career ended in an orthopedic surgeon’s office hearing, “You can play and risk having trouble walking the rest of your life or you can have a second surgery.”

He had the surgery. He passed on a medical redshirt. He had already been there five years (showed up frosh year recovering from shoulder surgery) and had two degrees. He was eventually the recipient of a class action suit against the athletic department.

Was watching my son's game this weekend online and saw one of their pitchers blow out his elbow.  He immediately looked at his elbow, shook his arm, and touched his fingers since they went numb.

The boy said the energy in the dugout was so sad and off for the rest of the doubleheader.  One of his teammates looked at my son and said, "I'll never get used to seeing that."

@Master P that is so sad. I wish him a full recovery.

Similar to what happened to our son. Though his was not as severe.  It really affected the team and the parents. We are still praying for repair and not full Tommy John surgery. Sounds like the decision will be made during his surgery. 

We still are really bummed for him. He still wants baseball as his career and we pray that this surgery doesn't keep him from his dreams.

Getting injured in games is so hard on everyone there.

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