I have only gained 3 miles of Exit Velocity from last year. I was 75 off a metal bat last year and now I'm 78 with a wood bat. I would assume I would be around 80 with a metal bad now. However, I was wondering what do you guys do to increase tee Exit Velocity? Do you use a specific program? I am trying to gain as much exit velocity as possible before the season.
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you guys are measuring exit velo off a tee? How is it measured in show cases?
Prep baseball report is tee and I'm pretty sure perfect game is as well.
You think front toss would be about the same or would it add a couple mph's?
gunner34 posted:you guys are measuring exit velo off a tee? How is it measured in show cases?
Off a tee
it's measured off of a tee in PBR
JCG posted:You think front toss would be about the same or would it add a couple mph's?
Pretty sure Alan Nathan has simplified this (for people like me) to say it's about a 5-1 ratio. So if your front-toss is 10 mph, you would expect ~2 mph more than the exit velo off the tee.
Personally, I have a higher exit velocity off of front Toss. However, I'm sure it varies player to player.
Baseballcomesthird posted:Personally, I have a higher exit velocity off of front Toss. However, I'm sure it varies player to player.
It doesn't matter. While a joke to some, the "filter"used by the larger showcase venue's is exit velo off the tee. Keep getting stronger and faster....
Baseballcomesthird posted:I have only gained 3 miles of Exit Velocity from last year. I was 75 off a metal bat last year and now I'm 78 with a wood bat. I would assume I would be around 80 with a metal bad now. However, I was wondering what do you guys do to increase tee Exit Velocity? Do you use a specific program? I am trying to gain as much exit velocity as possible before the season.
Of course mechanics play a role... but... its really all about strength. People don't think about two pounds being heavy. But when you are trying to move that two pound stick through the air at 90mph+ from a dead standstill within a fraction of a second.... that's not easy to do which is why most cant do it!! Your hands can be as 'quick' as you like but without the strength to get it started and accelerate very quickly hand quickness means very very little. Just means that if you didn't have a bat in your hands you could theoretically get your hands moving quicker than someone else. Tensile strength is becoming a huge measurement. Turns out we old timers were right and wrong about importance of grip and strong hands/forearms. It is important - just at the beginning of the swing not at contact! The bat has to get moving instantly (very strong hands needed) so that barrel is at max speed just before and during contact. Weaker hands (and overall bodies) tend to take longer to get the bat to max speed. So theoretically if you did not make contact with a ball the swing would be at max speed after contact area. Don't know how old you are so hard to say if your exit velo is good or bad. Goal should be 90mph exit velo by soph or junior year. Of course the elites will be there before then. But don't worry about the elites there are very few of those. A lot of spots on a lot of teams are leftover after the elites commit. Good Luck!!
I'm not sure training for the EV number is a good thing. If you have good mechanics, and work hard in the weightroom, EV will come. I'd focus on hitting the ball solid consistently- get on a good training program, and eat right. EV will naturally come.
gunner34 posted:you guys are measuring exit velo off a tee? How is it measured in show cases?
It's all over the map. Went through 4 years of camps, showcases etc. saw it off a tee and front toss. When son started going to higher level (professional scout) workouts, they didn't even measure it. what that tells me (and I may be wrong) is that most scouts and (and I believe college coaches) don't pay attention to exit velocity measurements. they can see and hear bat speed.
pabaseballdad posted:I'm not sure training for the EV number is a good thing. If you have good mechanics, and work hard in the weightroom, EV will come. I'd focus on hitting the ball solid consistently- get on a good training program, and eat right. EV will naturally come.
Exit velo is just a measurement of progress like anything else. Its not about training for the number itself its about improving bat speed which has all sorts of great benefits. And exit velocity is simply a very easy way to measure bat speed.
2020dad posted:Baseballcomesthird posted:I have only gained 3 miles of Exit Velocity from last year. I was 75 off a metal bat last year and now I'm 78 with a wood bat. I would assume I would be around 80 with a metal bad now. However, I was wondering what do you guys do to increase tee Exit Velocity? Do you use a specific program? I am trying to gain as much exit velocity as possible before the season.
Of course mechanics play a role... but... its really all about strength. People don't think about two pounds being heavy. But when you are trying to move that two pound stick through the air at 90mph+ from a dead standstill within a fraction of a second.... that's not easy to do which is why most cant do it!! Your hands can be as 'quick' as you like but without the strength to get it started and accelerate very quickly hand quickness means very very little. Just means that if you didn't have a bat in your hands you could theoretically get your hands moving quicker than someone else. Tensile strength is becoming a huge measurement. Turns out we old timers were right and wrong about importance of grip and strong hands/forearms. It is important - just at the beginning of the swing not at contact! The bat has to get moving instantly (very strong hands needed) so that barrel is at max speed just before and during contact. Weaker hands (and overall bodies) tend to take longer to get the bat to max speed. So theoretically if you did not make contact with a ball the swing would be at max speed after contact area. Don't know how old you are so hard to say if your exit velo is good or bad. Goal should be 90mph exit velo by soph or junior year. Of course the elites will be there before then. But don't worry about the elites there are very few of those. A lot of spots on a lot of teams are leftover after the elites commit. Good Luck!!
To say a player should be at 90 by Soph or Junior year is crazy. It depends what your goals are as far as schools and also what position you play. If you’re a third baseman, a big OF, a catcher then you should be hovering around or past 90. Does a 2nd baseman or even a SS need to be at 90? I think if they’re at 90 they’re in a high percentile.
This kid my son was recruited with at OSU was Regularly 100+ off the tee... VERY, VERY athletic, but he struggled off live pitching...
My son who is 15 years old attended the university of Illinois camp/showcase this past weekend and was clocked at 85 mph off of a tee. He’s a big guy...6’2” and 192 lbs....with really good bat speed. One of the coaches from the illini staff said that was very solid for his age. I have video of his swings in the cage if there’s a way to post it.
2021 or 22? Also, on the bottom it says add attachments and you can add film or a link to YouTube if you have posted videos.
He’s a 2021 grad....I’ll add the video ASAP...thanks
Nice swing. I would say he’s where he should be. By Junior year he’ll be at 90+ easy as he keeps working.
My original point of bringing this thread back to life was that 90 is not a catch all benchmark especially for a sophomore. You have a big kid so he’ll hit harder and has to be at 90. My son is 1 inch smaller, 20 pounds less, one year older and was at 86. Could he be at 90? Sure. And if he was he’d have 20 schools calling him because most SS are not hitting 90 at the beginning of Junior year.
Like many have said it doesn’t always translate into hits, but like I told my son, fact is college coaches like it. 90 is a magic number for infielders. 95-98 probably for the bopper positions. ie 3rd, 1st, OF It sucks that numbers matter but they do. I equated it to SATs. You just have to get certain scores if you want to go to certain schools. It is what it is.
^True I feel like at the end of the day to get an O you need to perform when it counts unless you have a ridiculous exit velo (95 or up). For me the exit velo has been a foot in the door to get interest from coaches but nothing much more.
Baseball has become such a numbers driven sport. I think the numbers definitely serve a purpose especially with recruiting, but I also think they can be over-analyzed by coaches/scouts. Speaking of numbers...in the early spring my son was clocked on exit velocity with his coach underhand soft tossing at 93 mph.
Tim Turner posted:My son who is 15 years old attended the university of Illinois camp/showcase this past weekend and was clocked at 85 mph off of a tee. He’s a big guy...6’2” and 192 lbs....with really good bat speed. One of the coaches from the illini staff said that was very solid for his age. I have video of his swings in the cage if there’s a way to post it.
The guy loading the tee is pretty big too
Tim Turner posted:
Not sure why that camp let them use BBCOR for recording exit velo. Most standardized exit velo scores are wood bat.
I haven’t found that to be the case. We’ve been to a good number of these events and I’ve seen bbcor and wood bats used at the same event. Thinking back, I don’t recall where wood bats were required at any of the showcases/camps.
PBR and all college camps I’ve gone to have been metal. The only thing that’s wood is tournaments and PG showcases.
We used wood in the Area Code games and tryouts since 1987 and in our Goodwill Series for 35 years. Scouts reduce fly ball hit by metal bat by 40 feet. Does the velocity measurements win games???
Absolutely no!
Bob
I never said velocity measurements win games. What they do is give coaches and scouts a baseline measurement of what a player can potentially do on the field. Why would scouts reduce fly balls hit by metal bats by 40 feet when they use those metal bats in college? I don’t think so
Tim Turner posted:I never said velocity measurements win games. What they do is give coaches and scouts a baseline measurement of what a player can potentially do on the field. Why would scouts reduce fly balls hit by metal bats by 40 feet when they use those metal bats in college? I don’t think so
Bob knows a thing or two. You may want to do a little looking into who you are arguing with.
Do you know the phrase "warning track power"?
will your son play in a College Summer League? Does he know how to hit a 3 run HR?
Bob
Huh? Of course I know the phrase warning track power. In answer to your question “does your son know how to hit a three run homer” I don’t think that’s a skill that you work on every day. My son goes up to the plate and depending on the situation, he takes swings accordingly.
adbono posted:Tim Turner posted:I never said velocity measurements win games. What they do is give coaches and scouts a baseline measurement of what a player can potentially do on the field. Why would scouts reduce fly balls hit by metal bats by 40 feet when they use those metal bats in college? I don’t think so
Bob knows a thing or two. You may want to do a little looking into who you are arguing with.
I’m not arguing with anyone. I came here to have a good discussion about baseball. I’ve enjoyed everything so far....hopefully that will continue.
You maybe interested in the wisdom of the great Earl Weaver http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quoweav.shtml
He was the disciple of the 3 run HR. Of course, is begins with the "mind set" of the hitter. The size of the alleys, the wind condition and the pitch sequence of the opposing pitcher. When you arrive at the ball park, remove the head phones, cell phone, start your focus.
What is my role of a hitter "see the ball".
What is my "power" alley - left center or right center? How do I receive a pitch in this zone?
"clear the mind" and focus, visualize.
It worked for Cal Ripken, Doug DeCinces {our coach in Korea] and Eddie Murray of the Orioles. use the "high tee" drill.
Bob
Yes I’m quite familiar with Earl Weaver....I’ll leave this here for the night...my son, Josh Turner is 15 years old. He’s a good ball player that runs the 60 in 6.6 seconds, throws 85 mph on his fastball with really nice off speed pitches. He just hit a 370 ft homerun to the opposite field a couple weeks ago and has a strong throwing arm from the outfield. I want him to improve every time he sets foot on the field and during practice. Hopefully he’ll get a chance to play in college...and from there who knows. I really enjoy everyone’s input and opinions.
I think exit velo is a tool to weed out, but it is definitely not a major driving force in recruiting. If you have a strong number and they like what they see when you hit live, then it makes a difference.
Yes I agree completely. It’s just one of many tools and factors that they use in today’s baseball. Bat speed is another tool...I don’t know what my sons bat speed is, but bat speed and exit speed are directly connected.
baseballhs posted:I think exit velo is a tool to weed out, but it is definitely not a major driving force in recruiting. If you have a strong number and they like what they see when you hit live, then it makes a difference.
This is the correct answer... 
