5/21 Scores

I heard...

McKinney North 7

Bryan Adams 3

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
I heard...

Flower Mound 9

Southlake 8

That's a final.

Rockwall Heath 17
Highland Park 10

not much pitching at all in this one. (3) 5 run innings, way too many walks, and 6 errors by HP. should be a much different game with baune and bare on the bump. didn't keep track but i bet at least half of the runs scored after two outs.

Belton 1
Tyler Lee 2
Game winning 2-run 2B by E. Johnson.
Game started at 7 and was over at 8:28.

I can't believe there is no report on the Marauders?

Not even on WFAA site.

Marcus plays game 1 tonight.

Is the DMNews accurate -- was TWHS eliminated last night?

PD
Game 2 Friday 7:30 at College Park.
Game 3 Saturday 12:00 at College Park if needed.

what a nail biter at hp my hat tips to the freshman in a job well done that kid will be a force for heath high school in the coming years jovan hit 89 mph on the gun last night what a player great job heath.

the freshman did a very good job for heath especially after catching the first half of the game and he was the hardest thrower of the night but wasn't close to 89. another gun had him max out at 82 and i would say that is much closer to accurate. none the less a very good job and will make a fine duo with thompson for the next 3 yrs. he even did a better job with the stick than he did on the mound.

hey go pirates what make the differance on guns and how can they be so far off ?

Gun might not be tuned properly.

Also, one gun gets the ball out of the hand...the other gets it as it crosses the plate. There is a difference in the 2 readings. Jugs gun is usually the "faster" of the 2 guns.

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Originally posted by pma:
hey go pirates what make the differance on guns and how can they be so far off ?

Depends on if the pitcher's father is reading it or not...

Exactly right, Tychco! This is the single most overrated thing in the history of baseball, This "quest to throw 90" is laughable. Why can't we just look at what number is under the column labeled "R" on the scoreboard as an indication of how well a pitcher performed? I want my son to be like Yogi Berra once said of Whitey Ford (who never threw hard either): "He is the luckiest guy I've ever seen. Every time he pitches it is on a day the other team doesn't hit good." Enough of this velocity garbage-it is definitely an ego thing for dads. Otherwise, how did Greg Maddox win 350 games?

your right about maddox James baune and Bare throw in the low to mid 80'S but they get the job done should be a close game tonight!!! if heath gets in trouble they can throw thompson who can get the job done also a freshman. hp they have fink so lets play ball.

Stalker guns are capable of getting the highest speed, which is typically as the ball leaves the hand. If the operator is late getting off the trigger or has the gun set for constant x-mit, the highest speed may be the ball coming off the bat. So the readings can look pretty good for a pitcher who throws it up there at 86 to a hitter that sends it back out at 91.

This is true of the older model Stalkers. I've not used the small guns enough to know if the technology changed with the new model.

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Originally posted by tychco:

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Originally posted by pma:
hey go pirates what make the differance on guns and how can they be so far off ?

Depends on if the pitcher's father is reading it or not...

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Originally posted by Maverick0714:

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Originally posted by tychco:

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Originally posted by pma:
hey go pirates what make the differance on guns and how can they be so far off ?

Depends on if the pitcher's father is reading it or not...

The smiley/toilet was made for me. Using it can result in patent infringements...

My bad...

I don't think pitching velocity is a "garbage" thing created by dads. Velocity is *one* of the factors associated with successful pitching. We can all name several others - location, changing speeds, deceptiveness, etc. Success with one factor can make up for deficiencies in other areas. As velocity increases, it can make up for many other deficiencies. My experience is that scouts created the quest for 90mph, not dads. Having gone through the recruiting process with a pitcher I know that's one of the things that is heard constantly from most of the "baseball" guys. As a pitcher's dad hoping for big things for your son, 90+ is something you long for for the kid. It's one of the milestones. And why shouldn't it be an ego thing? What's the pct of HS guys throwing 90+ ? If I could do it I'd probably stick my chest out a little around the ball field. If I could hit it, I'd stick my chest out too.

As to the guns, the stalker has a setting to record the highest (out of the hand) and the lowest (crossing the plate) speeds, so you can tell the difference. I don't try to time "getting of the trigger" as DownTheLine suggests. I disregard readings when the ball is hit for exactly the reasons he indicates. The ball often comes off the bat faster than it came in and that's not what I'm measuring.

I didn't have my gun out at the Heath game but I sat beside pma earlier in the year to compare the stalker and the jugs. On that day our guns almost always recorded the same speed so I believe his to be calibrated. Occasionally there was a 1 mph difference, his (jugs) being the faster.

I know that pma was directly behind the plate and the second gun mentioned was at an angle. What difference does that make you ask? Just look at the stalker owner's manual. "The most common mistake made with all radar guns is trying to clock targets at angles. Clocking at an angle will result in angle error, and the gun will display a speed that is LOWER then the actual speed."

How much difference you say?
100.0 mph
at 5 degrees 99.6 (0.4% err), at 10 deg 98.5 (1.5% err), at 15 deg 96.6 (3.4% err)
at 20 deg 94.0 (6.0% err), at 25 deg 90.6 (9.4% err), at 30 degrees 86.6 (13.4% error)

That second gun may have been at a 15-20deg angle accounting for the different readings. See picture.


I would ask if the 89 reading was an "outlier" or consistent velocity? If everything else was 84-86, I wonder about that one.

Anyway, Heath won and advances.

Apologies to all for having too much time on my hands.

the gun that clocked at 89 was opperated by a dad and the one at 82 was by a coach that was scouting for a possible matchup. i will take the coaches gun over a dad's gun anytime. still don't want to take anything away from the kid. he had a heck of a game and if he continues to develop he will be a very fine player. if you want to see a legit 89-90 you can come out to poteet saturday and watch josh turley from texarkana. this kid has serious stuff.

This may be the greatest thread of all time.

Pictures? Einstein-like mathematical genius describing velocity? Seriously...

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Originally posted by 643_DP:
Seriously...

Seriously....

What is the reading from the grassy knoll?

hello, go pirates, it realy doesn't matter if a dad holds the gun! It wasn't my kid on the mound. The gun was calibrated the day before. I have tracked the Hawks pitchers the entire season for the coach and have compared the gun side by side with a Stalker and it has always been within 1-2 miles of the Stalker and occasionally exactly the same. The bottom line is the kid can throw hard and will be a strong pitcher in the Hawks line up for the next 3 seasons. Thanks for the discussion, I've learned alot from it, especially from rockdad-thanks for your explanations! Go Pirate, good luck with Texarkana today, hope you guys win so we get a chance to play you in the next round.

HA!!! First 2 shooters did not act alone.


3rd shooter was knocked from the fence on Fri by Baxter's HR.