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It seems this story has gone worldwide in less than a day. I originally picked up on it through the Parents Websites at USAFA and at USNA. The following message from the President of Rutgers was just posted to all members of the USNA community:
Thank you for your message. I was at the game but did not hear the obscene
chants and only learned about them afterward. This kind of behavior is
disgraceful and indefensible. Sadly, it obscured the very positive displays that
evening, including Rutgers fans standing to applaud the Navy players as they
left the field at halftime, and the mutual respect the teams showed after the
game as they stood together for the playing of each other's alma mater.
I have sent a letter of apology on behalf of Rutgers to Vice Admiral Jeffrey
Fowler, the Superintendent of the U.S. Naval Academy. Athletic Director
Robert Mulcahy has reached out to his counterpart at Navy to do the same. In
addition, Mr. Mulcahy and Vice President for Student Affairs Greg Blimling are
sending an open letter to students through the campus newspaper to denounce
the profanity and ask that all fans show respect for the dedicated
student-athletes on visiting teams at Rutgers Stadium. I will be delivering the same
message in my forthcoming meetings with student leaders. While we cannot undo
the damage that some of our fans caused, we will do all we can to prevent it
in the future.
You have my best wishes.
Sincerely yours,
Richard L. McCormick
President
Anyone else think it was a lunatic firewood salesman from the Midwest that got this guy scared?
cadDAD
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What about the fans that want to go to a game and not be around constant F bombs and MF bombs and GD this etc etc. Drunks everywhere and people acting like animals. Showing no respect for anyone around them muchless themselves. Is it going to get to the point where you can not take your kids anywhere? Is it going to get to the point where you just decide to not go out in public? Or do we have to suck it up and just accept this behavior? Why should the people that act with class and respect for others be driven away by those who do not? You take your young kids to a game and have then subjected to this kind of behavior and then you tell me how you feel. Its a football game folks. Get these clowns under control Rutgers. Or continue to let then act anyway they want to and you can have that reputation if you want. Beat the heck out of their football team if you can. But to show no respect or class while doing it speaks for your school. If my kids acted like that I would kick their azz so bad they would taste my shoelaces in their mouth. Pathetic display.
The language and chants are not needed. But, people should have been up in arms with other behavior years ago, why now? Easy, Al Gore 
and the Internet. I don't know about the rest of you but tailgating in WI was alive and well since at least 1970. I remember beer distributors making deliveries to cars in the UW parking lots at 8am. I remember passing the hat to bail buddies out of jail on D&D misdemeanors. I remember asking the elderly gentleman (probably 40 at the time) sitting next to me at the game if a I could get a hit of his Blackberry because my wineskin was empty. I remember dozens of us streaking up State St after games when the sun set. Am I proud of that history?....not really...maybe a little....but it was part of society almost 40 years ago. The difference now is due of the infinity of the Internet as every pitfall of society is magnified. Are todays actions justified..............ABSOLUTELY NOT. But it is - was - and will be, the fallout of our FREE society. Today 9/11 we talk of our freedoms, lets practice the thoughts behind them. If it is deemed and judged as a wrong, let the process we brag about take care of it. A Utopian society that is void of all these mis-fits is the vision of blinded hindsighters and naysayers who have probably erased their youth from their mind.
There's two thoughts that I think still ring true.
#1 we are a system of checks and balances
#2 Like it or not Shet Happens
Then again I have read for years where WI has always had "party" and tailgate issues we should be ashamed of.
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The only Utopia I am familiar with is that of Todd Rundgren
and the Internet. I don't know about the rest of you but tailgating in WI was alive and well since at least 1970. I remember beer distributors making deliveries to cars in the UW parking lots at 8am. I remember passing the hat to bail buddies out of jail on D&D misdemeanors. I remember asking the elderly gentleman (probably 40 at the time) sitting next to me at the game if a I could get a hit of his Blackberry because my wineskin was empty. I remember dozens of us streaking up State St after games when the sun set. Am I proud of that history?....not really...maybe a little....but it was part of society almost 40 years ago. The difference now is due of the infinity of the Internet as every pitfall of society is magnified. Are todays actions justified..............ABSOLUTELY NOT. But it is - was - and will be, the fallout of our FREE society. Today 9/11 we talk of our freedoms, lets practice the thoughts behind them. If it is deemed and judged as a wrong, let the process we brag about take care of it. A Utopian society that is void of all these mis-fits is the vision of blinded hindsighters and naysayers who have probably erased their youth from their mind.There's two thoughts that I think still ring true.
#1 we are a system of checks and balances
#2 Like it or not Shet Happens
Then again I have read for years where WI has always had "party" and tailgate issues we should be ashamed of.
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The only Utopia I am familiar with is that of Todd Rundgren
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
It's them Duke lacrosse players, I tell ya.
Mike Nifong
Quit with the Duke stuff already.
We went to a baseball game this year where a very drunk fan of the other team sat right in front of where the parents were sitting, by the dugout.
He was so drunk and so nasty, he made nasty comments to us as well as each player that came out of the dugout. The comments were so unneccesary. Some of us went to sit in another section, he was so drunk we didn't want to bother with him. The next day, same thing, finally one of the parents quietly went to security and he was walked out in handcuffs, he had alcohol in his water bottle (no alcohol allowed). I understand that opposing fans can sometimes get nasty but this was beyond nasty.
I have no problem with tailgating at sporting events, it's part of the atmosphere. Annoying the other team and fans has been going on forever. Heckling is ok, foul mouth heckling, discriminationg remarks, usually comes from those that have had too much to drink. More paid security would solve that problem.
I agree with rz, this is not anything new, the power of the internet has made teh world smaller.
The person who wrote the article left out the part about the applauding of Navy (if that was the truth). The way the article appears, you would think the whole stadium was at fault. There's always two sides to reporting, not that I am agreeing with the poor behavior, but last saturday at Rutgers is no different than anywhere else. With anything, there are polite and nasty people out there, always was and always will be. We tend to overlook the good things that happen everyday and zero in on the bad.
BTW, those on EST, Glen Beck is on.
All it takes is for one fan to report a drunk to security and mention that this is an official complaint to the University and 99% of the time he will be gone. This is one issue that is not tolerated on most campuses. But it takes that 1 person to make a stink about it and others to back them.
They may have the right to party, but we have the right to our space. Trust me when I say that those who have a right to their space are usually donating more to the school than the partier. Who stays? Do the math.
They may have the right to party, but we have the right to our space. Trust me when I say that those who have a right to their space are usually donating more to the school than the partier. Who stays? Do the math.
quote:Anyone else think it was a lunatic firewood salesman from the Midwest that got this guy scared?
Gotwood is not from the Mid-West....He is from a land us Midwesterners call Illinois.
Gees...
A few drunken fans at a college football game...What a novel thought!
How did that get to politics?
Bring the troops home...alive. Saw Petraeus on tv today....Close West Point, too. Everyone admitted they'll get nothing done militarily without a political solution.
A few drunken fans at a college football game...What a novel thought!
How did that get to politics?
Bring the troops home...alive. Saw Petraeus on tv today....Close West Point, too. Everyone admitted they'll get nothing done militarily without a political solution.
Okay, so I don't know how to put other people's quotes in my reply --
rz1: I believe that we Oregonians actually get to lay claim to the woodsman. He may be in Illinois now, but he grew up right here, if I'm not mistaken.
And, regarding the obnoxious behavior of football fans -- our duck mascot is on suspension for beating up a brown furry counterpart at a football game. I wasn't there, since the awful behavior of the few makes going to a OU game unpleasant, but it has been all over the media.
I wouldn't place the label of most foul-mouthed fans on football exclusively -- my son went to a Red Sox - A's game several years back, and announced he never wanted to go to another MLB game. The Sox fans (it was in Oakland) were throwing beer bottles and shouting profanity throughout the game. He has since enjoyed many a Mariners game, without the same experience thank goodness. (and he has since become jaded, sadly, about vulgarity) I lay no claim to having the cleanest mouth in the land, but an occasional curse, in private is oh so different than the shoutings of a pig, in public. JMHO.
If we really want to clean things up, how 'bout starting with ESPN and all the titillating ads they run during baseball games? Totally inappropriate viewing for kids during what should be a family safe t.v. production. How do we get them to stop running that trash?
Sorry to hijack the thread. Yes, the Rutgers fans shouting obscenities were out of line.
rz1: I believe that we Oregonians actually get to lay claim to the woodsman. He may be in Illinois now, but he grew up right here, if I'm not mistaken.
And, regarding the obnoxious behavior of football fans -- our duck mascot is on suspension for beating up a brown furry counterpart at a football game. I wasn't there, since the awful behavior of the few makes going to a OU game unpleasant, but it has been all over the media.
I wouldn't place the label of most foul-mouthed fans on football exclusively -- my son went to a Red Sox - A's game several years back, and announced he never wanted to go to another MLB game. The Sox fans (it was in Oakland) were throwing beer bottles and shouting profanity throughout the game. He has since enjoyed many a Mariners game, without the same experience thank goodness. (and he has since become jaded, sadly, about vulgarity) I lay no claim to having the cleanest mouth in the land, but an occasional curse, in private is oh so different than the shoutings of a pig, in public. JMHO.
If we really want to clean things up, how 'bout starting with ESPN and all the titillating ads they run during baseball games? Totally inappropriate viewing for kids during what should be a family safe t.v. production. How do we get them to stop running that trash?
Sorry to hijack the thread. Yes, the Rutgers fans shouting obscenities were out of line.
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the paper used to have a few drunken disorderly's as most do. the court log yesterday dropped the drunken in public charge .as long as your not disorderly it's ok to be smashed. that would have been a big help to me 40 years ago,lol. we live in a great country for sure, and we have made great strides as far as opportunity's for our youth. but taking little johnny out behind the barn with a switch now and then would go a long way today. life is to easy for kids today, and i guess that's our fault.
the paper used to have a few drunken disorderly's as most do. the court log yesterday dropped the drunken in public charge .as long as your not disorderly it's ok to be smashed. that would have been a big help to me 40 years ago,lol. we live in a great country for sure, and we have made great strides as far as opportunity's for our youth. but taking little johnny out behind the barn with a switch now and then would go a long way today. life is to easy for kids today, and i guess that's our fault.
NJ only the strong survive
Coach May that was a great post and pretty much what I tried to say earlier.
I don't think anybody here is supporting a new prohibition movement nor eliminating tailgating. Yes these things have been going on for a long time but it's time for the good people to band together.
We have forgotten about personal responsibility. When a person goes into a public setting they have a responsibility to act within good taste. While the definition of good taste is debateable I am pretty sure the majority do not think getting drunk, cussing and inappropriate heckling are in good taste.
Something I was taught in school was this phrase -
"You have the right to swing your fist anywhere you want until it reaches the end of another person's nose". Basically what that means you can do whatever you want until it encroaches upon another person's rights to live peacefully.
We all have the right to go out into public and interact peacefully and people have the right to get drunk whenever they want but when you get drunk in public you are infringing upon other's rights to go into public peacefully.
The good people need to band together and put the idiots in there place.
I don't think anybody here is supporting a new prohibition movement nor eliminating tailgating. Yes these things have been going on for a long time but it's time for the good people to band together.
We have forgotten about personal responsibility. When a person goes into a public setting they have a responsibility to act within good taste. While the definition of good taste is debateable I am pretty sure the majority do not think getting drunk, cussing and inappropriate heckling are in good taste.
Something I was taught in school was this phrase -
"You have the right to swing your fist anywhere you want until it reaches the end of another person's nose". Basically what that means you can do whatever you want until it encroaches upon another person's rights to live peacefully.
We all have the right to go out into public and interact peacefully and people have the right to get drunk whenever they want but when you get drunk in public you are infringing upon other's rights to go into public peacefully.
The good people need to band together and put the idiots in there place.
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Another article on the subject:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/09/rutgers_apologizes_for_footbal.html
I find the "Comments" interesting, though cadMOM tells me I should never read them. Sometimes it's like driving past a car wreck...
cadDAD
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Another article on the subject:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2007/09/rutgers_apologizes_for_footbal.html
I find the "Comments" interesting, though cadMOM tells me I should never read them. Sometimes it's like driving past a car wreck...
cadDAD
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Our children have been desensitized.
Our society has been coarsened.
The pornification of America.
I sat and thought about how beguiling the media is. How there is no shame in anything - whether it is acting like a drunken fool at a sporting event, a man leaving his family, people who are too lazy and irresponsible to raise their children, sexual promiscuity, drug use, crime. I thought about this epidemic of social degradation. The things I kept tracing back to were the invention of birth control pills and the implemenation of the welfare system (The Great Society). One created a situation where, by and large, sexual promiscuity had few consequences. The other created a situation where generations of families were in a continuing cycle of government dependency. These two branches continued to expand - eventually reaching across socioeconomic lines. Formerly unacceptable behavior became commonplace. Mix in the influential monster that mass media has become and here we are. It has taken nearly 50 years to get to this point. I believe it will take twice as long to reverse it.
Our society has been coarsened.
The pornification of America.
I sat and thought about how beguiling the media is. How there is no shame in anything - whether it is acting like a drunken fool at a sporting event, a man leaving his family, people who are too lazy and irresponsible to raise their children, sexual promiscuity, drug use, crime. I thought about this epidemic of social degradation. The things I kept tracing back to were the invention of birth control pills and the implemenation of the welfare system (The Great Society). One created a situation where, by and large, sexual promiscuity had few consequences. The other created a situation where generations of families were in a continuing cycle of government dependency. These two branches continued to expand - eventually reaching across socioeconomic lines. Formerly unacceptable behavior became commonplace. Mix in the influential monster that mass media has become and here we are. It has taken nearly 50 years to get to this point. I believe it will take twice as long to reverse it.
I was at a game this last year at a D1 college rivals field.
Some Student's started to heckle and get a little rowdy.
A Parent are Teacher or a Fan.
Stood up and told this group to Shut-up and quit embarressing the University.
They shut-up, and quickly I might add.
Nothing else needed to be said.
When it's allowed, and I know that some Univ. make it a art form.
It can and will get out of hand, if allowed to.
It's the Univ. that need's to step up and make them shut-up.
EH
Some Student's started to heckle and get a little rowdy.
A Parent are Teacher or a Fan.
Stood up and told this group to Shut-up and quit embarressing the University.
They shut-up, and quickly I might add.
Nothing else needed to be said.
When it's allowed, and I know that some Univ. make it a art form.
It can and will get out of hand, if allowed to.
It's the Univ. that need's to step up and make them shut-up.
EH
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
Close West Point, too.
I'd say you took a commanding lead in your effort to win the election for new village idiot with that one. You know as much about West Point as you do about what it's like to walk on Mars.
quote:I'd say you took a commanding lead in your effort to win the election for new village idiot with that one. You know as much about West Point as you do about what it's like to walk on Mars.
FIRE IN THE HOLE!!
Just a suggestion: Don't by tickets in the student section.
CP...I know much more about West Point than you think, CP.
One of my relatives graduated from WP in 1994.
After seeing and hearing Petreaus' "party line" the past couple of days...Giving good advice:
Close West Point.
How many more have to die for Bush's nonsense?
One of my relatives graduated from WP in 1994.
After seeing and hearing Petreaus' "party line" the past couple of days...Giving good advice:
Close West Point.
How many more have to die for Bush's nonsense?
This is a topic has the ingredients of going downhill fast, lets livin it up
Archieved news article (from a long, long time ago):
Abandoned baby found in woodland AP
Medical staff said the little boy was lucky to be alive. A mother who abandoned her newborn baby in an Oregon woodland is urged to contact police. The boy, named John after the first officer on the scene, was found after a passing couple heard him crying in an Oregon forest late on Friday night.
Staff at the OSU Maternity Unit said the 6lb baby was healthy and enjoying a catalog of jpeg images.
quote:Originally posted by emeraldvlly:
rz1: I believe that we Oregonians actually get to lay claim to the woodsman. He may be in Illinois now, but he grew up right here, if I'm not mistaken.
Archieved news article (from a long, long time ago):
Abandoned baby found in woodland AP
Medical staff said the little boy was lucky to be alive. A mother who abandoned her newborn baby in an Oregon woodland is urged to contact police. The boy, named John after the first officer on the scene, was found after a passing couple heard him crying in an Oregon forest late on Friday night.
Staff at the OSU Maternity Unit said the 6lb baby was healthy and enjoying a catalog of jpeg images.
If I didn't read the first post I would have guessed the discussion was about HS basketball......
DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
CP...I know much more about West Point than you think, CP.
One of my relatives graduated from WP in 1994.
After seeing and hearing Petreaus' "party line" the past couple of days...Giving good advice:
Close West Point.
How many more have to die for Bush's nonsense?
Could we please keep the politics out out of this?
rz1:
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Just heard that the "Rutgers Incident" is now being reported on Fox News nationally....
cadDAD
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Just heard that the "Rutgers Incident" is now being reported on Fox News nationally....
cadDAD
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I DO side with the academies, but fox now has geldings reporting the newsquote:by AcacDad: now being reported on Fox News nationally....
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Unfortunately, not only this thread, but in the general media, this issue has become "an Academy issue"... and subsequently a "military/geopolitical issue". When I originally posted it, I should have made it clear that I felt it was the behavior in general that was so offensive, and that it was simply a coincidence that ACADEMYDAD was reporting it. Sorry, I tend to see reports on stuff that is in our sphere of occurance.
I don't personally think that the "incident" had anything to do with the opponent being Navy. They were not being "attacked" for that purpose. I would like to think that the ugly behavior would have been directed at anyone in an opponent's uniform. Had it been directed at America's Finest, now we would be talking about a debate.
cadDAD
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Unfortunately, not only this thread, but in the general media, this issue has become "an Academy issue"... and subsequently a "military/geopolitical issue". When I originally posted it, I should have made it clear that I felt it was the behavior in general that was so offensive, and that it was simply a coincidence that ACADEMYDAD was reporting it. Sorry, I tend to see reports on stuff that is in our sphere of occurance.
I don't personally think that the "incident" had anything to do with the opponent being Navy. They were not being "attacked" for that purpose. I would like to think that the ugly behavior would have been directed at anyone in an opponent's uniform. Had it been directed at America's Finest, now we would be talking about a debate.
cadDAD
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quote:Originally posted by theEH:
It's the Univ. that need's to step up and make them shut-up.
EH
Agree 100%.
If the University wants to stop it - they can.
quote:Originally posted by BeenthereIL:
CP...I know much more about West Point than you think, CP.
Doubt you do.
From reading the article, and your post in caps, I got the impression that this was a direct attack and insult upon NAVY, one of the service academies. If that was not the authors intention, he did a bad job of getting his point across. It's articles written like this that tend to divide people on certain issues. It is disgusting, but would he have written that article if Rutgers was playing Princeton and this occured? No.
After hearing about the incident, it was only coming from one area of the student section. I would assume those same students would be using the same verbage against any team. Just because that's what they do. That's the kind of "fans" they are. It was particularly embarrassing to the university because of who they were playing. Will the university apologize if it happens this saturday against another team? No.
As I stated earlier, this unfortunetly goes on all over football stadiums every saturday afternoon in the fall. Remembering last year, Miami and FIU players went head to head in a brawl, with many fans cheering both teams in the stands.
When I see a member of the military in uniform I always try to be polite and ask how they are, where they are from, just because I think they are special and doing a special job, keeping me and my family safe. The only way I know he/she is with the military is because he/she is in uniform. If he/she is in civilian clothes, they are the same as me. I can't ell the difference. Do you think these clowns could have cared less who the opponent was? I did not see it as a direct attack on Navy as the author was trying to convey.
On the college playing field, players wear their school colors, when they take the field they are the same as everyone else. IMO, ANY player, I don't care where he/she attends school, what sport he/she plays, should be shown respect just for being a student athlete, because in reality, that is what they all are when they take the field, athletes.
After hearing about the incident, it was only coming from one area of the student section. I would assume those same students would be using the same verbage against any team. Just because that's what they do. That's the kind of "fans" they are. It was particularly embarrassing to the university because of who they were playing. Will the university apologize if it happens this saturday against another team? No.
As I stated earlier, this unfortunetly goes on all over football stadiums every saturday afternoon in the fall. Remembering last year, Miami and FIU players went head to head in a brawl, with many fans cheering both teams in the stands.
When I see a member of the military in uniform I always try to be polite and ask how they are, where they are from, just because I think they are special and doing a special job, keeping me and my family safe. The only way I know he/she is with the military is because he/she is in uniform. If he/she is in civilian clothes, they are the same as me. I can't ell the difference. Do you think these clowns could have cared less who the opponent was? I did not see it as a direct attack on Navy as the author was trying to convey.
On the college playing field, players wear their school colors, when they take the field they are the same as everyone else. IMO, ANY player, I don't care where he/she attends school, what sport he/she plays, should be shown respect just for being a student athlete, because in reality, that is what they all are when they take the field, athletes.
Rutgers is playing Norfolk State University at home this weekend. Do you think the student section can think up some chants given the pronounciation of Norfolk? I've never heard the second syllable pronouced "folk." Somehow I think the students might pass on saying the "State" in their name.
If it's calm in the student section this week, expect it to last about a week. Now that Rutgers is big time they need a bigger stadium. You can't hear this stuff with 90,000 screaming fans.
If it's calm in the student section this week, expect it to last about a week. Now that Rutgers is big time they need a bigger stadium. You can't hear this stuff with 90,000 screaming fans.
deldad said: Time has come for mandatory military service. Every young man and young woman must serve their country. The spoiled, priviledged, selfish fools who chanted at that game and in general look down their noses at those who serve will have a little different perspective after a few weeks of basic training.
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I cannot agree more...
During the 60's the John Kerry types, amd usefull idiots of the Soviet Union left-wing peaceniks, using twisted and distorted propaganda, were able to convince the majority of Americans that the military are nothing but "baby-killers". The consequence of going to an all voluntary military has relieved most males from accepting any responsibility for the country in which they live.
With no training in respect for themselves, pride in the dignity of human endeavor, and no understanding of their own nation, its history or its place in the world, the educational system is producing individuals that are malcontents, malcreants, and anarchists.
There has been a continuing march to a coarseness of our society, appeasement of perversion, legalization of murder of our unborn, and a reluctance to admit they we have become a nation ruled by the law of the jungle, not the laws of our Judeo-Christian heritage.
Just in the past few days the US Congress held Stalin-like hearings against one of the highest decorated US Army Generals of the the US military, and in our name continued to insult him, denigrate his service and call him an outright liar. Now when you see that example of how our supposed leaders of this nattion conduct themselves in their relationship to our US Military, do you wonder why a bunch of scum at Rutgers University would feel it's okay to use vulgaritty to reflect their disdain aqnd contempt in likewise manner.
We have enemies in this country, and they are on our college campuses as professors, teaching our children that our country we live in is responsible for all the evils of this world. And npw you have a female president candidate who has a husband that is known to have said how much he loathed the military.
In comparison to the US Congress, the feelings of the Rutgers University rooting section are mild indeed.
So much for hate speech concerns of our lofty hypocrites on the left.
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I cannot agree more...
During the 60's the John Kerry types, amd usefull idiots of the Soviet Union left-wing peaceniks, using twisted and distorted propaganda, were able to convince the majority of Americans that the military are nothing but "baby-killers". The consequence of going to an all voluntary military has relieved most males from accepting any responsibility for the country in which they live.
With no training in respect for themselves, pride in the dignity of human endeavor, and no understanding of their own nation, its history or its place in the world, the educational system is producing individuals that are malcontents, malcreants, and anarchists.
There has been a continuing march to a coarseness of our society, appeasement of perversion, legalization of murder of our unborn, and a reluctance to admit they we have become a nation ruled by the law of the jungle, not the laws of our Judeo-Christian heritage.
Just in the past few days the US Congress held Stalin-like hearings against one of the highest decorated US Army Generals of the the US military, and in our name continued to insult him, denigrate his service and call him an outright liar. Now when you see that example of how our supposed leaders of this nattion conduct themselves in their relationship to our US Military, do you wonder why a bunch of scum at Rutgers University would feel it's okay to use vulgaritty to reflect their disdain aqnd contempt in likewise manner.
We have enemies in this country, and they are on our college campuses as professors, teaching our children that our country we live in is responsible for all the evils of this world. And npw you have a female president candidate who has a husband that is known to have said how much he loathed the military.
In comparison to the US Congress, the feelings of the Rutgers University rooting section are mild indeed.
So much for hate speech concerns of our lofty hypocrites on the left.
TG:
Someone once told me that down there the cheer was, "We don't drink, we don't smoke, Norfolk!"
Someone once told me that down there the cheer was, "We don't drink, we don't smoke, Norfolk!"