a player quits after heated talk with coach...

My oppinion:
He quits because non baseball related problems. If every time pitchers has a bad day, they quit, we where using pitching machines at games.

DO we know what was said and in what tone and manner??? And by who???

NO !!!!

You cannot make a judgement here without knowing all the details ---there may be more to this than we are aware of

Texas2004,

Not good!!

I'd guess that something else has been brewing for a while. Whatever the real issue, the boy needs to talk it out. Is he close enough a friend with BK?

And, considering the history of coaches support, would it make any difference if he & player talked again?

he's a pretty good friend..of BK's...

Not sure about the coach side of this, I do know the coach was upset at the loss ...we were behind 8-1 when BK had to come in...

This coach is pretty level headed but not sure what went down at the gym.

BK is fishing right now...that's where he finds his peace...he left early this morning...so I hope he gets to talk to the player later today...

I would hope that the teammates of this boy would lose some respect for his actions on the field, (his sluggish attitude). It seems to me this kid is a very individual player who cares more about his own stats than helping his team win a district game. I feel the coach had every right to talk to this player alone and ask what was going on in his head and where he stands with the team. Quitting to me just shows another sign of this "child's" "all-about-me" attitude.

Been there! Only difference is the blow up happened in front of everyone. I have a bad temper and he threw his glove. I told him to get that glove walk out of the dugout and enter it again like he is expected to do. He didn't. He was gone. He came to me a day later and apologized. I gave him conditions. One apologize to team. Two 3 game suspension. 3 now rotate to #4 in rotation until proves he is team player. He met all of the conditions and we are friends now. He comes every spring to watch us get ready for playoffs.

Player quits after talk with coach about his attitude? Puhlease...the coach has every right to talk to a kid who is hurting the team with his attitude, while he goes to the plate. If he quits because of the talk, oh well. At our school, there would be no coming back. You quit on yourself, your school, and most of all your teammates. See ya, and good luck. Anyway, a quitter never wins and a winner never quits. What does that say about the boy, when adversity strikes and someone talks to you about it, you quit? Come on, we live with our decisions, and his decision was to quit the team. The coach has absolutely no responsibility to ask him back on the team, or take him back for that matter. Just my opinion.

Just a note...this was the dad half of our family speaking....not the usual Mom half.

CoachB25...I'm hoping this does get resolved...

Seems to me that the coach handled talking to the kid with respect and dignity. No reason for me to think anything about this other than the coach handled whatever behind closed doors. We don't know the facts, the coach may have canned him for not being a team player, or the kid might have not been willing to meet conditions. We don't know. Can't clame anyone here and the coach acted appropriately. jmo

At our school, if a player quits, they have 24 hrs to change their minds and come back under the conditions the coach lay out for them, usually running and extra work. As has been said by many, we do not know what was said between them or what else happened, but I would hope the coach would be open to the player returning if he meets the coach's conditions.

Pam, why would they put BK in already behind 8-1. Just to get work because of basketball?

coons...not sure how/why BK came in like it played out...

He's pitched in 3 games since basketball playoffs...2 innings for a save...2 innings for a start...in same week...then last 4 innings in a scrimmage last Saturday...all 3 scrimmages...


Not sure on thinking on the change of pitchers on who and how and why...

I know I've posted this before but I will one more time. Legendary coach Tom Pile once said to me, "Never kill the kid in the kid." I have found this to be a good policy. Kids have tempers and misbehave. It is a part of their being. Adults do too. As I have posted before, I have a huge ego. However, I won't let my ego deprive a kid such as this of playing ball if they can meet the conditions. I forgot to mention one other rule. Once the conditions are met, the incident is to never be talked about again. This prevents opening up old wounds. That goes for player and coach.

CoachB25...I hope he can come back...and then a little forgetfulness will be so key...

I guess I won't know more till BK gets home from practice Monday...

Do your son's teammates and their parents
read this board?

Chill...don't think any do...but thanks for the heads up...I really like this kid...and I want it to work out for him...

I edited a couple of my comments...less is more...thanks..

As they say things happen. Sometimes people do not realize and coaches sometimes forget these are 16 and 17 year old kids. I remember one time we had lost a tough game and i was in a foul state of mind and on the bus ride home and I went off on this one kid. silence for the rest of the ride home. when I got home I knew I should not have done what I did. I called him immediately at home apologized and went on from there. No harm done. I got so caught up in the game that I let it affect my judgement in that situation. I was an adult and failed that test. should we hold a kid to a higher standard.

Lets not forget some of these coaches can be real hard to deal with. I have seen coaches make life hard for a player and force them to quit. I agree it seems to me this goes deeper and has been building up in the player.

I don't think any coach has the right to take a student into his office one on one. Who knows what was really said. Coaches word against players word. Who do you think will win this match. My opinion both needed to cool off before talking about the issue. Remember coach your dealing with a product you created, "win..win..win" and raging hormons!

Update!!!

Lefty back on team...was resolved before weekend was over....

Having no idea what was said, who said it, and the actual conversation...(which is best that I don't)...I appreciate willingness of coach to remain open to the player's return...and I appreciate the player's readiness to resolve the issues by Saturday...

I do know that all is well ...

We lost a tough one. And yes, there's more to what was going on in this player's life...

Everyone has cooled off...

First pitch to take place at 6 p.m. tomorrow!

Great news, good luck.

good to hear, Pam! I'm sure everyone's glad it's behind them.