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You hear it all the time from high school coaches around my neck of the woods...."I don't want you to play because they abuse pitchers arms!"

One of them this week threw his number one pitcher a complete game Tuesday in the state playoff then again yesterday (Friday) on two days of rest 163 pitches in eight innings...

Go figure... noidea
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Gregg,

I agree with ypur sentiments. I have a shortstop who threw 128 pitches the other day for his high school team. It's amazing.

Check out the story below on a college game:

The Jackson Sun
Apr 30 2005

|Lambuth 8, Pikeville 5 (22)|

Eagles make good on 22 innings

GEORGETOWN, Ky. - For a coach with 503 career wins, you'd think Wayne Albury would pretty much have seen it all over the course of 17 years.

Well ...

In the longest baseball game by innings in NAIA history, Lambuth defeated Pikeville (Ky.) on Friday, 8-5, in 22 innings during the first round of the Mid-South Tournament.

An RBI double by Rafael Matos, followed by Wes Daniels' two-run homer, ended the marathon that lasted five hours and 45 minutes. The first pitch was thrown at 10:30 a.m. EDT and the last out recorded at 4:15 p.m.

''Well, you know the old saying in baseball - when you think you've seen it all, you see something new,'' Albury said. ''But this caps it. A 22-inning game, are you kidding me?''

According to the NAIA's Web site, the previous record for longest game was a 21-inning contest in 1985 between Southern Arkansas and Louisiana Tech. What's interesting is Lambuth led four times after the teams headed to extra innings tied at 2.

The Eagles (32-24) had taken a one-run lead in the 10th, 12th and 19th innings, only to see Pikeville score to extend the game. But that wasn't the case in the 22nd inning, as Hector Garcia protected the lead with a perfect 1-2-3 performance for the save. The win went to Miguel Garcia, who pitched out of a bases-loaded jam in the 21st.

''When we were in about the 13th inning, I was thinking this can't go more than 16 or 17 innings. No way,'' Albury said. ''But, of course, I was wrong. It was a game that had a variety of things happen. It was just unbelievable to be a part of.''

Dustin McKeel started for Lambuth and worked eight innings. The real workhorse was Brandon Jackson, who pitched the next 11 innings to setup the finish for the Garcias. The Eagles' staff allowed 14 hits, struck out 12 and walked eight.

For Pikeville (21-30), Chad Roberts pitched 15 innings before being relieved by Andrew McCormick, who worked the final seven and took the loss.

The 15 innings by Roberts were far from a record. The all-time mark in NAIA baseball was set in 1972 when Denny Pusateri of Evangel (Mo.) pitched 19 innings against Ozarks (Mo.).

Offensively, Chris Logan led Lambuth, finishing 4-for-9. After that John Cooper went 2-for-7, Jackson 2-for-8, and Daniels and J.J. Lopez both 2-for-10.

What's interesting, though, is how Pikeville keeps popping up on Albury's resume.

The school was the first stop of his college coaching career in 1988. It was also the program Albury posted his 400th career win against.

''It is strange, but Pikeville's where I got the opportunity to start a career I wanted to pursue, which I'm thankful for,'' Albury said. ''But it's odd how our paths continue to cross.''

Putting aside the historic events of Friday, third-seeded Lambuth returns to action today in a 9 a.m. game against second seed Cumberland College in the winner's bracket semifinals of the tournament.

The winner has off until Sunday, while the loser meets Georgetown - which fell 4-0 to Lindsey Wilson on Friday - at 3 p.m. in an elimination game.

''Right now we're tired, but the important thing you always try to do is win the first game of the tournament,'' Albury said. ''Give credit to the kids, though, because they kept battling, hung in there and won.

''Now we have to find a way to do it again. But after a game like that, who knows. I hope we don't have to experience anything like that again, that's for sure.''
What is really sad about this situation is this is the THIRD time this season this coach has pulled this stunt with this young man. He has pitched him on Tuesday (complete 7 inning game), then again on Friday another seven innings. Each occasion the young man threw over 140 pitches. What is good about the situation is that they have now been eliminated from the playoffs and the young warrior can now rest his abused arm.
When a HS coach has only two pitchers he considers "studs", it is far more likely that he will ride those two arms into the ground - as compared to a select team carrying nine or ten pitchers.

It is a shame how many times I have seen a HS team go the entire season and only two, perhaps three pitchers ever step on the mound. Seems that when the team is blowing out the opponent, they could give the #4 or #5 pitcher a chance. They might find a pitcher who is better than they had thought.
Greg,

Here is another one for you. Remember both these players do not play for my team.

In Central Florida on Friday night a young man pitches a complete game and wins the semifinals of districts. Here in Florida if you advance to the state championship game you automatically make the state playoffs.

On Saturday in the championship game a sophomore pitcher with a lot of talent pitches nine innings and throws way over 100 pitches (someone there said it looked like 130). Guess who comes in to save the game in the 14th inning? You got it. The pitcher who threw the night before.

But that coach only allows his kids to play for him during the summer so that summer coaches can't hurt his pitchers. He is also a complete control freak with a Napolean Complex.

My question is why don't the parents see that their child, who is a real good pitcher who signed a Big 10 scholarship, is ruining his arm because of this coach. This coach is the reason why this talented young man did not get better offers than he did. I'm not criticizing the parents, as I'm sure they believe what the coach is telling them or they are scared of the coach.

What about the sophomore's arm that hurt after the game. The coach has told him he will be pitching on Friday, but could throw an inning on Tuesday (tomorrow).

I'm venting because coaches like this rant and rave against travel programs like the Central Florida Renegades and the Orlando Scorpions which actually take care of their pitchers. From what I have heard both young men are exceptional kids and do not deserve to be used this way by a coach who wants to win at ALL costs.

Sorry for the length of this post, but frankly stuff like this just angers me. Obviously, the 10 inning per week rule in Florida high school ball is not working.
Texan,
Good point...it's call early development. One of the coaches in Alabama who strongly commends our program carries 10-12 pitchers every year. Most are pitchers ONLY and he never seems to run out of pitching or abuses arms. Strange from a small community of less than 20K people in the city. What they do is develop young arms and care for young arms in a legitimate baseball program. The state championship trophies in their case proves they must be doing something right. Wink

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