SultanofSwat posted:It's one thing to want to retire to spend more time with your family. People do it all the time with class and grace.
Just don't pretend to blame your employer. Not classy.
Huh?
coach2709 posted:cabbagedad posted:Coach, agree with everything you said 'til the last sentence. When someone walks away from that much $ when it doesn't appear to be a life or death decision, it's going to be very controversial. I AM curious to hear "the rest of the story".
After further in depth thought (you can tell my classes are taking a test today) you are right and this is a story. This is the fourth post on this topic I've made in 2 days. It's on it's second page and we are still debating it. It is a story.
Ha! That is too funny. Sitting here bored to tears monitoring a test as we speak!!! Coach I feel your pain and the need for an outlet!
It's been reported, that there might have been some verbiage in LaRoche's contract that allowed him to have his son at Spring Training... Apparently the Player's Union is looking into it...
Maybe Chris sale is right. Maybe the wrong guy did walk out of the locker room. Maybe it should have been him. He is rightfully being ripped on the score (Chicago sports talk radio) today. Nice to see he is so focused on the season. HE is now causing the distraction. i have five kids. I am a sub now but spent years teaching and coaching. I really like kids. But when it's time for the big people (coaches, friends etc.) to sit down and have a few beers or even don't have a few beers I don't want the kids around. And it's sort of like dogs for me. I love my dog but your dog is an annoyance and I want him/her to go away! You can bet your a** there are some players who don't want to speak publicly that were annoyed. Why doesn't everybody just bring their kids in... And wives, girlfriends and mistresses! Throw in mom and dad, grandma and grandpa, friends and neighbors.
..."Why doesn't everybody just bring their kids in... And wives, girlfriends and mistresses! Throw in mom and dad, grandma and grandpa, friends and neighbors. "..... Mr. Reinsdorf, we are going to need a bigger locker room and lots of jerseys.
In his own words...
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sof75p
1) ALR statement: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/...-from-white-sox.html
2) Drake was a regular in the Nats clubhouse, and was on superb behavior. Not a negative word. BTW: so was Werth's oldest.
3) Let's see...who else has been to the clubhouse on a regular basis as a child: Junior? Dusty's son? Barry Bond's son? Barry himself? Was Cecil's kid a regular, and did his kid ever look like a kid? The list goes on...
This has been around for a while, and if it's an issue for the club(s) or MLB, incorporate it into the CBA. KW has every right, as a representative of the employer, to issue a guideline, make a suggestion, etc. That doesn't mean there won't be pushback, especially with a strong union presence and a CBA.
Chris Sale makes a very good point. As I had said earlier, this was an issue that needed to be brought to the manager and players.
Its their clubhouse, clubhouses are run by the manager and the players. It runs on team chemistry. This guy sounds like a power freak. No wonder the White Sox can't get it together.
This isnt your regular 40 hour job. This is part of the culture. The clubhouse is open to players friends and family. I think that is what's being missed by some of you. I hope someday your sons get into a ML clubhouse and invites you in.
And I don't think you all know this is how it is...front office vs the players, even for the big contract guys.
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:In his own words...
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sof75p
For those who didn't read this Adam is claiming that at first they said cut down the time your son is at the park drastically and later on it was flipped to don't bring him at all.
He said it was likely to be his last year anyway and he couldn't think about spending it without his son. I say again, good for him.
Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
TPM posted:Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
Agree with the speculation, lots of "speculative reports" today. Most likely the full story won't be known. And will blow over once the season starts, unless you are in white sox nation.
At the end of the day, Mr. Reinsdorf has a big mess on his hands.
Personally i think that kids don't belong to a workplace. But still that thing turned out to be a PR disaster for the sox. Chris sale - basically the biggest star on the sox has slammed club president Kenny Williams siding with laRoche. That thing is getting ugly.
TPM posted:Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
It was the exact title of the article. Also, as far as I know Kenny Williams hasn't admitted he asked for zero visits, he's only admitted he asked for less.
Sale called Williams a liar. Williams should trade him for discipline reasons ..... to the Red Sox.
CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
It was the exact title of the article. Also, as far as I know Kenny Williams hasn't admitted he asked for zero visits, he's only admitted he asked for less.
The article talks about his intention to retire.
This isn't on you but rather how misinformed everyone is of exactly what happened. He said, she said, he lied....don't you wonder what really went down?
RJM,
I doubt Sale would stay with the white Sox...would you?
TPM posted:CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
It was the exact title of the article. Also, as far as I know Kenny Williams hasn't admitted he asked for zero visits, he's only admitted he asked for less.
The article talks about his intention to retire.
This isn't on you but rather how misinformed everyone is of exactly what happened. He said, she said, he lied....don't you wonder what really went down?
RJM,
I doubt Sale would stay with the white Sox...would you?
No I don't wonder what went down. And frankly don't much care. Son with you 100% of the time is a bit silly. But more importantly the white sox were relieved of a bad salary. And if sale wants to go so be it. He needs to grow up and do his job and stop worrying about the grand injustice that happened to laroche.
IMO, it is this simple. This is a work place for the entire team. In coaching, I have an office. I don't expect to see a kid in that office unless I call them in. This is selfish of LaRoche to disregard his teammates. Many of which are trying to stay in MLB. Having a distraction like having a kid around is a distraction whether some of us want to admit it or not. Should they be uncomfortable, it isn't like a borderline player or someone not in MLB for a period of time would say anything. If LaRoche wants his son around MLB Players then this makes no sense. I would wrap up by saying that if his son is home schooled, this raises questions as to how rigid that schooling is.
FWIW, lots of professional players home school their children.
I have a friend who is a sportscaster for a ML team. He posted a pic of him and his son on IG at the ballpark, son is about 2.
So someone said leave him home, or you will have to retire.
2020dad posted:wsoxfanatic posted:2020dad posted:As a lifelong sox fan... HOOOOORRAAAAY! What a windfall. Saving 13m on a washed up bad player. Hope he does not expect sympathy. Don't get me wrong the players have the right to cut their best deal - it's a business. And management has a right to police their clubhouse (and perhaps hope he quits and saves them money) after all - it's a business! As a fan I hope they use that money wisely - NO MORE ADAMS!
p.s. My understanding is this goes on all year not just spring training. I am sure he is a great kid. My 14yo is a great kid. But I didn't bring him to work today. Justnaseball I am sure your son is right. I am sure he is a good guy. But I can't help be giddy as a sox fan!!!
DITTO!
As everyone can see we sox fans are devastated and heart broken from this loss! His decision is final. There is no possible way they will take him back. Unless they have to because somehow it is not official yet. Good riddance, see ya!
Yes. You have the right to your opinion, but this opinion is disgusting. The guy is a stand up person who has worked it out to spend a lot of time with his son. What a jerk, huh? Perhaps he should have left 'em all to ""baby mamma" to care for while he feeds your desire for a few more hits and wins.
Don't like washed up players? Get your front office to do a better job of determining talent and negotiating deals. Don't decide he wasn't worth it, now let's hold him hostage to his ideals to try to push him out.
Larouche has had his son with him for years (Again, damn him for being a good dad). His son is home schooled. He had an agreement with the White Sox that his son could be in the club house as much as ever. It was a gentleman's agreement, but apparently Williams is no gentleman. He broke the agreement, perhaps to cynically make up for his poor business decisions.
The kid was no detriment to anything . The players loved him. Chris Sale is livid and their union rep is filing a grievanc. He was no detriment to his dad's play, he's been with him for many good years. Williams lied his way around the player meeting. He's coming off as scum. This was scummy. An agreement was in place. Honor it. A man's only as good as his word and William's word is worthless.
Btw. Kids can and have accompanied their fathers to work for milliennia. It's called apprenticeship. It's only recently that dad's have begun abandoning their sons and shipping them off to other people to "care for". I love spending time with my kids. It makes all the difference.
The White Sox are disgusting for their treatment of LaRoche. And this move was classless. But, "Hey! That's Chicago!" Right?
TPM posted:CaCO3Girl posted:TPM posted:Just realized the title of this topic is wrong.
Nothing towards the OP, but just goes to show that unless you are a fly in the room, everything is just speculation.
It was the exact title of the article. Also, as far as I know Kenny Williams hasn't admitted he asked for zero visits, he's only admitted he asked for less.
The article talks about his intention to retire.
This isn't on you but rather how misinformed everyone is of exactly what happened. He said, she said, he lied....don't you wonder what really went down?
RJM,
I doubt Sale would stay with the white Sox...would you?
I'm thinking Sale lashed out at Williams due to past issues with this being the final straw. Bad mouthing the GM is often a one way ticket out of town.
There was an article in ESPN Boston on trading a top hitting prospect(Benintendi), a low minors top pitching prospect, Allen Craig and two other prospects for Sale.
I chatted with someone you know whose son was a teammate of LaRoche. He said LaRoche is one of the best liked players in baseball.