Air Force Football Coach

tasmit:

His comment was much better than "African-American players are very, very, slow" don't you think?

The press is becoming increasingly irrelevant and they're desparate to rekindle their glory years...trouble is that no one is buying it anymore. Not even Tater!

GO WHITE SOX!!!

fischer deberry is a quality person and a quality coach!!! he is right , they are very very fast but not all of them, and they do throw the football better, but not all of them. these newspaper people they are the racist ones but is anything done to them? no power of the pen, and each of those that right this stuff have about as much brain power as their pens. deberry is quality.

Tas...If they want the guy replaced, it will become a "racial" comment. Look at what happened to the baseball coach at Oklahoma even though the kid that was involved and his parents understood his comments "differently" than the media reported and actually didn't want him replaced!

Even if it is true, i.e., the running statement, they're capable of creating something in print that none of us can do. Power of the press.

Those of us that are "older", remember Al Campanis who was fired by the Dodgers years ago for his comment about blacks and swimming and ????

While I understand being politically correct, I still don't understand why all of the public telephones have instructions printed in Spanish/English while NONE has anything printed in Lithuanian.

Headed to Acapulco during the Christmas break and will research the public phones in ACA for everyone. Wonder if they have inx in English?

Go White Sox.

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Look at what happened to the baseball coach at Oklahoma even though the kid that was involved and his parents understood his comments "differently" than the media reported and actually didn't want him replaced!

It must be true because it was in the paper.

That's pretty funny.

Thanks for the comments.

I totally agre that the media has turned this into a racial thing. They like to twist people's words.

He was commenting on AF's year, and DeBerry was stating that they lacked the ability to sign a lot of minorities. Therefore his following comments were mostly printed instead of the previous one.

The Oklahoma coach is/was a complete redneck AH!

To defend him is ridiculous.

soxnole

For all the years the Oklahoma coached how come he wasnt a racist until ESPN decided to bury him-- I did not consider his statement racist but rather a statement of fact--funny that the boy and his dad did not take offense

sox...Interesting that you should say that. Apparently Joe Dunigan and his parents don't and didn't feel the same about him as you do.

Why would a "redneck" recruit black student/athletes?

What is the basis of your statement?

You obviously want DeBerry fired at Air Force, too.

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From one of the local papers....May, 2005

Monday, May 02, 2005
"No, Larry Cochell, I don't know what you mean"

There's a radio spot that appears on 1300 AM The Zone (a local sports station in Austin), a PSA from from the Underground Railroad Freedom Center, where a black guy is giving a speech at a shareholders meeting or some such. Anyway, while he's giving the speech, we overhear 2 white guys talking:

One white guy says to the other, "You know, for a black guy, he's really articulate, you know what I mean?"

The other white guy says, "Umm, no, I don't know what you mean."

Point being, sometimes you have show you disagree with a stereotype.

And as college baseball found out this weekend, those stereotypes still exist, 40 years after the last Voting Rights Act was passed.

Larry Cochell, the manager of the OU baseball team, made the following remarks about Joe Dunigan III, an African-American player for the Sooners.

“There are honkies and white people and there are n——— and black people. Dunigan is a good black kid ... There’s no n——- in him.”

Yesterday, Cochell resigned as manager of the Sooner baseball team.

Yes, I know Dunigan and his dad have forgiven Larry Cochell. That's a credit to both of them, but it doesn't excuse Cochell.

Yes, I know it's a university environment and universities can be hyper-sensitive. That doesn't excuse the coach either.

Yes, I know the "n-word" is not considered bad in some contexts. That wasn't one of those contexts.

There's more to it than the "n-word", it's the attitude behind it. Cochell's attitude was that Dunigan was a "good black kid" instead of a good kid, as if black people aren't inherently good, or less is expected of them because of their race.

Cochell is the one who resigned, but if you read between the lines of some of Joe Castiglione and David Boren's statements, it's likely he would have been fired anyway. As OU President David Boren noted, "A good and caring man has made a terrible mistake for which he must assume responsibility."

Because sometimes you gotta say, "No I don't know what you mean." Especially at a time when people are concerned about the number of African-Americans partcipating in the game of baseball at all levels.

It's my considered opinion that the "N" word used more than once in front of Gary Thorne and another member of the ESPN broadcasting team is flat out racist.

So...I suppose that if I said to Beenthere ...about TRhit, that "there is no "w" in that man" it would be OK?

There is simply no place in today's world for old time, low down, stereotyping.

As for the Dunigan's putting the best face on it, I'm sure they had there reasons. Put yourself in their place.

Fighting the University where Joe is on scholarship, which took a long time to get rid of Mr. Cochell would not be my idea of a good time.

Honestly I'm not sure why Deberry apolojized. Who did the comment offend? It was a compliment to African Americans and it did not offend because I know I am not as fast as my African American counterparts. I don't get it.

Soxnole

I have no problem with that--only you and a few other use that term-- perhaps I have learned to be bigger that that

You know Beenthere and I have had differences but I am sure we are on the same page here

Soxnole look in the mirror before you make your next post--you have so much inate bias in you it is sad-

Just an aside on the "N" word-- how come it is fine for blacks to use the word in movies andn stand up comedy ( see Richard Pryor), watch a few Spike Lee movies, but if a white man uses the word he is a racist. I find that sickening--talk about equality

Actually I have no problem with the word because is actually a word that goes across the board--it has nothing to do with ethnic traits other than lazy

Perhaps the real world has not reached "soxnoleville"

Soxnole,

Did you just clearly spell out the "W" word?

Hard core, dude.

Yikes! I had not heard that term since I was 8 years old.

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how come it is fine for blacks

TR
It's not fine. They hate it. Just ask one sometime.

I thought we all figured out in May the guy was too dumb to run a little league team, for using the word to start with.

Dad04,

That - most likely - should tell you all you need to know about the cretin that would put that on a public board.

Hard core. IMO.

Its

That's rough. I guess it's a south side thing.

If I want to hear that type of language I'll put on Good Fellas.

On an internet board - I agree.

In person - perhaps not -

Soxnole,

I really doubt that you know much about what the Dunigans' position is regarding this matter. Your assumption that they even thought about "fighting the university where Joe is on scholarship" is really a terribly unfair statement and one that should not be made so recklessly and without basis in fact.

BTW, I have several photos of former Coach Cochell visiting outside the dugout with Joe
before an intrasquad scrimmage this Fall. Does anyone think a media outlet might be interested in purchasing these to use in a "post-incident" followup story? The story title could be "Where Are They Now?" or something like that.

MN-Mom,

Would it be asking too much if you could edit soxnole's post just a tiny bit?

You know - just abbreviate the W thing a bit.

At least take out one letter. LOL

If you like - you can even put up a picture of my uncle Salvatore - eating pasta and making a "deal". Or a picture of Mussolini hanging upside down in WWII.

You know - anything - just to take the edge off soxnole.

..went to the ATM today and hit the Spanish version button by mistake.

...sucker works in Spanish, too!

..dollars not pesos, though.

I have 3 teenagers left in the house that are into "rap" music.

If you think that "rap" music and conversations in school amongst many black students is/are not filled with the "n" word, you don't have any teenagers!

Simple as that.

Real World John. Rap music is 95% consumed by white kids like yours and mine. Look it up. You confuse entertainment and media with society.

That is the absolute flimsiest argument made here in quite awhile. IMO. A little more effort PLEASE?

Here is simple social experiment for you. Walk up to the next 30+ year old black guy you see at the store, and just ask him. It's very simple.

Before you do please write on a piece of paper who to contact in case of emergency, and put it in your pocket.

When you wake up you can tell us what he said.

That might go for the W word too.

Walk up to your local "goomba" - and call him a W.

I dare you. LOL

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Walk up to your local "goomba" - and call him a W

Paul

Didn't Guiliani put them all in jail?? Oh, I made myself laugh.

On behalf of all my relatives - as well as Al Capone, Sam Giancana, The Godfather, Frank Sinatra and Mussolini - I must say I am absolutely stunned by our willingness to allow the W word on this board.

I am offended and - as a result - I am starting a boycott of Ragu Spaghetti sauce and the image of my grandmother on the label.

I am so offended by the neanderthals on this board.

Dad04...

Sounds like you're afraid of your own shadow.

Teens, media and society...interwoven.

Don't think I need you to give me a lesson in history and social mores.

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Don't think I need you to give me a lesson in history and social mores

I guess I should listen to 50 Cent to find out what life is all about.

Have a nice day

Beenthere, if you're going to Mexico and plan on using the phones, other than your own cell phone, get a prepaid calling card. It'll save you a couple hundred bucks in phone charges. I got seriously ripped off in Puerto Vallarta in June, $75.00 per call for 5 minutes, or something ridiculous like that. Calling card, .05 per minute.

Also, remember that Rap is *rap. While I'll tolerate most music that my ballplayers want to listen to, NO RAP ALLOWED.

06...

Thanks for the advice. Will be taken.

I have edited my post.

Hopefully some of you understood my point...its just not acceptable to use slurs like those, no matter the intent. A college coach that calls a kid "he likes" the "N" word is outrageous.

Defending him is more outrageous.

soxnole:

He paid the price.

I'm not certain but I heard that he filled that 'Groundskeeper-in-Training' position with the Guymon Rec. Dept. way out in the Panhandle.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
On behalf of all my relatives - as well as Al Capone, Sam Giancana, The Godfather, Frank Sinatra and Mussolini - I must say I am absolutely stunned by our willingness to allow the W word on this board.

I am offended and - as a result - I am starting a boycott of Ragu Spaghetti sauce and the image of my grandmother on the label.

I am so offended by the neanderthals on this board.

....good one P

If the press says it is racial it is racial. Everything is racial or at least somebody somewhere will put the spin on it. Sports is not immune.

IMO, DeBerry's comments are much more offensive/insensitive to white players than black players.

RED

I agree but that wont sell newspapers

IMO the most racially inflammatory entity in our country is the news media. The news media is no longer the oracle of events as much as an arm of the political left and the entertainment industry. Their racially oriented drumbeat is incessant and it is designed to get ratings and sell their products of magazines, newspapers, etc.

Any time a talking head gets on the TV and starts pointing out what someone inadvertantly said that might offend someone, I turn the channel. I'm sick of it.

It is all designed to keep us all at each others throats and we should all refuse to participate in their ugly game. We are killing the peace and tranquility of our own country, and destroying the chances any of us have of living in harmony.

Coach Deberry should refuse to talk to the news media after what they tried to do to him. All coaches should make it explicitly clear to the sports reporters that none of them will be allowed in the locker rooms or in the coaches offices if their reporting insults him, his players, or the institutions. News organizations would get the message in no time at all.

Coach Deberry didn't mean anything negative by what he said as I know of Afro-American football coach, an ex-Raider player who told me that and I quote him "in modern football you you put our White corn-feds on the O-line and our Black speed on the outside". He meant nothing ominous by what he said, but I understood what he meant, and I totally agreed with him.

We all just need to stop all this nonsense.

ramrod:

Well said. I think we're coming around to this point of view fortunately!

I, too, am going to boycott all of the stores that don't sell "kugelis"...a Lithuanian staple.

I'm sick of it...They have "Mexican tortillas...Polish sausage...Italian spaghetti...French pastry..."...on and on...

Where's the Lithuanian stuff?

I read in at least one of these posts somebody using the term "redneck", which is another derogatory term that many consider to be not politically correct. I am not going to look back at the posts, but perhaps some of us need to look in the mirror every once in a while!