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2014 gets e-mail at 12:05am on Sept 1 (addressed to him, not "Dear recruit") and says they have seen him play, like his abilities and want to invite to football game in fall....lists the games available, asks for him to reply what game he wants to go to and please send copies of transcripts. He replies within 24 hours and sends transcripts within 5 days (games listed are 30-60 days away)----

Follows up twice to see if got transcripts and to say excited about games...no reply. Tries a third time to see if things are a "go" and he gets a reply, again, to him directly that they are sorry but the game he requested is "full" and this coach is sorry about inconvenience. That's it.

Keep in mind, transcripts are a 3.8 GPA at a private HS with nothing but A's and B's. Also, he has not attended any baseball event since this letter/e-mail so no way they saw him play and "soured on him"...WTF? Anyone have insight?

I get it if they send that to 100 kids but why invite to a game vs. just say we saw you and liked you? If says that, he remains interested. At this point, completely turned off and no interest in school (not that he had a ton anyhow, as located in a colder region than we live but still was a large D1 school in a major conference)...

I know baseball recruiting is all over the map, just cant' figure out this school's end game and the now negative vibe they have to my son and all his teammates, coaches, contacts in this area. It did them no good at all....

Any thoughts are appreciated.
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I wouldn't give up so easily without actually speaking to someone, and I wouldn't judge the suitability of an entire school and program based on some dropped emails.

Your son could call the Director of Baseball Operations, tell him he received the invitation from Coach So-and-So, had hoped to go to the game versus Big State U, and would like to know what other games are still open. His response should clarify whether it was a mix-up or a deliberate loss of interest.

Best wishes,
hardgame,

I feel for your son as this possibly his first major experience with diappointment. This process can be chock full of disappointment, and possibly a lot of joy at the end. My son was part of this process for 18 months, and there were situations and decisions made that he will never understand. We learned to get over it, and move forward. I hate to say it, but It is a big poker game. You have to know when to hold'em and know when to fold'em. The good news is you'll get dealt another hand.

Your son has a lot going for him. He knows to follow up with the coaches, he has a 3.8 GPA, and he has desire to play at the next level. I would try my best not to let this one bad experience sour him on his goals. Expand your search with his academic credentials, and keep moving forward is my best advice. Good luck!
Fenway said it much nicer than I did. Smile

I'm sure some folks don't have these types of disappointments but a lot do. My son and I were talking last night about a coach who was very specific in wanting my son to play for him, then he disappeared. That's one of the reasons it is a good idea to keep more than one school on the list until you know it is a done deal.
I am deep into this process with my 2013. I have come to the following conclusion. I am a business professional and have been in my profession for 30+ years. I have been trained and am comfortable in a professional environment and I am trying to set the same example, principles, etc in my son. What I mean by that is simply say what you mean and mean what you say. Example, "I'll call you tomorrow" means that you will indeed call tomorrow. It does NOT mean "I don't want to talk to you so I will push you off and have no intention of talking to you tomorrow either, eventually you'll give up".

Now, what I've seen in several cases, but not all, is that a lot of recruiting coordinators are former players that are working their way through the coaching ranks. Many have little experience in dealing with the professional world that many of us deal in on a daily basis. Additionally, they are dealing with 17-18 year olds that are wide-eyed and bushy tailed and can easily be sold a story.

Now not all are like this, and I don't mean to say that in order to act professionally and in a solid way that you need to be a degreed "professional", all we are really talking about is being a stand up person. However keep in mind that unfortunately we live in a society where if some people believe that they will never meet you or see you, then they can treat you with disrespect.

Personally my son has had had wonderful conversations with coaches that said "no" and some lousy conversations with some that wanted him. Bottom line to us is that every part of the experience with a school is just another part of the decision making process. It all goes toward how we form our opinion of the school and the program.

It is a huge learning process and hence why the veterans on this board that have been through this, some multiple times, are so so valuable to those of us like me who are rookies.
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Originally posted by CBallhitball:
I am deep into this process with my 2013. I have come to the following conclusion. I am a business professional and have been in my profession for 30+ years. I have been trained and am comfortable in a professional environment and I am trying to set the same example, principles, etc in my son. What I mean by that is simply say what you mean and mean what you say. Example, "I'll call you tomorrow" means that you will indeed call tomorrow. It does NOT mean "I don't want to talk to you so I will push you off and have no intention of talking to you tomorrow either, eventually you'll give up".

Now, what I've seen in several cases, but not all, is that a lot of recruiting coordinators are former players that are working their way through the coaching ranks. Many have little experience in dealing with the professional world that many of us deal in on a daily basis. Additionally, they are dealing with 17-18 year olds that are wide-eyed and bushy tailed and can easily be sold a story.

Now not all are like this, and I don't mean to say that in order to act professionally and in a solid way that you need to be a degreed "professional", all we are really talking about is being a stand up person. However keep in mind that unfortunately we live in a society where if some people believe that they will never meet you or see you, then they can treat you with disrespect.

Personally my son has had had wonderful conversations with coaches that said "no" and some lousy conversations with some that wanted him. Bottom line to us is that every part of the experience with a school is just another part of the decision making process. It all goes toward how we form our opinion of the school and the program.

It is a huge learning process and hence why the veterans on this board that have been through this, some multiple times, are so so valuable to those of us like me who are rookies.

Outstanding post.

I wouldn't consider someone who didn't keep their word unless they had a really good excuse, apologized, and promised it would never happen again. If they can't keep their word during recruiting, imagine how bad it might get after you show up on campus someday?
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Originally posted by CBallhitball:
I am deep into this process with my 2013. I have come to the following conclusion. I am a business professional and have been in my profession for 30+ years. I have been trained and am comfortable in a professional environment and I am trying to set the same example, principles, etc in my son. What I mean by that is simply say what you mean and mean what you say. Example, "I'll call you tomorrow" means that you will indeed call tomorrow. It does NOT mean "I don't want to talk to you so I will push you off and have no intention of talking to you tomorrow either, eventually you'll give up".

Now, what I've seen in several cases, but not all, is that a lot of recruiting coordinators are former players that are working their way through the coaching ranks. Many have little experience in dealing with the professional world that many of us deal in on a daily basis. Additionally, they are dealing with 17-18 year olds that are wide-eyed and bushy tailed and can easily be sold a story.

Now not all are like this, and I don't mean to say that in order to act professionally and in a solid way that you need to be a degreed "professional", all we are really talking about is being a stand up person. However keep in mind that unfortunately we live in a society where if some people believe that they will never meet you or see you, then they can treat you with disrespect.

Personally my son has had had wonderful conversations with coaches that said "no" and some lousy conversations with some that wanted him. Bottom line to us is that every part of the experience with a school is just another part of the decision making process. It all goes toward how we form our opinion of the school and the program.

It is a huge learning process and hence why the veterans on this board that have been through this, some multiple times, are so so valuable to those of us like me who are rookies.


Well put!!!!

We, too, have used these conversations as an example of treating people the way you want to be treated (and how even adults sometimes are lousy at it). 2013 has much more respect for the polite "thanks so much, kid, you're a talented ballplayer but just not what we need this year" than those who called and called and texted and then vanished and now won't return a call or email. One coach even replied to an email saying he would call that evening to talk with 2013. He did, and the call was to personally let him know that he's no longer on their board, but he thought he was a great player and a great kid and deserved the phone call. 2013 said he couldn't tell him how much he appreciated the honesty.

In that vein, a recruit coordinator starting pursuing him and they had a few discussions leading to an offer for a visit. After doing some research about the institution, we determined that the size, location, and academic reputation of the school were not something we would ever remotely consider if baseball weren't in the equation. That's our family litmus test. So, 2013 very politely emailed the RC and said something along the lines of, "We have done some research about your institution and I'm flattered that you think I might be able to contribute to your program. But, I don't think the size and location is a good fit for me. I would want you to be honest with me, so I am giving you the same respect in letting you know."
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Having just completed the process with our 2013, I agree 100% with Cball & 2013. Keep in mind that many of the RC's who speak with potential recruits are dealing with many (hundreds?) of kids at the same time and they themselves are likely only in their mid 20's. Doesn't excuse the dropped conversation and lack of follow up but might explain some if it.
Really good post. I need to talk to my son about this. Another practice I find a bit off putting is sending an email to the player using his first name indicating they have either seen him or someone recommended him and the school wants him to come to a camp.

To an inexperienced player this reads like interest, however small. If they want to have players come to their camp then say that. Don't dangle the bait out there like it is anymore than what it is.
I do believe that they get x amount of tickets to give out. Imagine how many got the same letter. Could be they decided after a large response who gets tickets and who doesn't.
Keep in mind that probably the A and B list prospects got the tickets first.
The recruiting process has not changed since we were involved in it. The key is to understand that this is how it works and this is where you will get answers to your questions.
I still think the situation warrants a phone call--unless your son really doesn't care about this school and knows he'll have better opportunities.

Right now, college coaches are very busy winding down fall practices, making roster decisions for the spring, herding their 2013 commits toward their November signings (which includes bringing them in for their official visits), and recruiting the blue chip 2014's they've already decided they want.

Bringing in potential 2014 recruits not on the A list for unofficial junior days kind of activities is on the to-do list, but it's not a priority. It has probably been delegated to the baseball operations guy, who is probably young, just starting his career and learning business organizational habits. Don't assume they have made a decision about your son (you yourself said they've had no opportunity for further observation since the first email) on such slender evidence as you presented in your OP.

I don't believe in continuing to pound on the door after it has been closed, but you ought to at least try the knob and see if it's really locked. You've had two chances to do that. The first chance was when the coach said your preferred weekend was full and NEITHER ONE OF YOU brought up the possibility of other dates. The second chance is now.

Frankly, I'm surprised at the number of people who advise just giving up without even finding out for sure.
Swampboy, I agree totally. In many situations the majority opinion here that you aren't at the top of list may well be true but by politely (not pestering) getting to the root of the situation you may have a chance to learn something helpful or keep your chance alive by the way you responded as opposed to what I suspect is the majority of kids who simply keep waiting for that email. It's not easy on a kid to be willing to force rejection and there will be those who look at that maturity and remember it when a recruit drops out.

Last, I think Cball is right on point in his assessment. We were always grateful for those coaches who had been in touch that closed the circle . It was easier to hear you aren't quite at the level we are looking for or we don't need your position then to wait for a promise that never happens. I guess it simply gives us a great way to teach our young men why that is never an acceptable practice. Let's not make it ok for the recruiter because he is young, let's let our kids know they need to remember this and apply it in all situations in their lives. Your word is your word. Doesn't matter your business.
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