Any news (or rumors) about PG / PBR / etc. events for summer 2020?

I’d like this info more than an insider trading tip on the stock market.  But it’s just too soon to tell. 

PBR recently announced a showcase for uncommitted seniors here in Arizona. Scheduled for June 3. Try-outs for Future Games are planned for June 2. I seriously doubt either of those will actually happen. We don't have a big outbreak in the Phoenix area, but have not reached the peak yet.

PG isn’t cancelling anything until they get within 2 weeks of the event. I think its a good policy. I’ve only been paying attention to FL, but I think it may be possible to do events in Ft Myers as they have a lower amount of infections. I can’t see them doing their events scheduled in West Palm for a while, if at all this summer. Overall, most of FL seems to be on the right track to be able to open up baseball next month. 

Similar to the going back to work topic in the other thread, you will have people who don’t want to travel, stay in hotels, or have their kids in a crowded dugout. I

As of right now the PBR New York State Games are on for early July. 

I would GUESS you will see events in states only selective states where the governor lifts the shelter in place orders.  If so, MAYBE events as usual in Texas, Florida, Arizona?  I doubt anything will go forward in the north east at least until the fall.

I'm in Texas.  The problem isn't going to be with our governor in my opinion, it will be the county government that could have restrictions in place to prohibit outdoor gatherings over X number of people.  So, for example, Top 96 has a two day camp in June set for UT- Dallas field, which is in Dallas County.  I think if any of the counties in north Texas would have a restriction, it would be Dallas County.  But neighboring Collin County would be less likely to have a restriction.  But who knows if the showcase could change venues.

Governor Kemp's state-wide shelter in place order currently lasts through 4/30.  If he extends it into May, PG won't be able to host anything at East Cobb Baseball while it remains in place.

LuckyCat posted:

Governor Kemp's state-wide shelter in place order currently lasts through 4/30.  If he extends it into May, PG won't be able to host anything at East Cobb Baseball while it remains in place.

Fingers crossed it goes well....

https://www.wjbf.com/news/geor...en-amid-virus-fight/

Go Georgia!!!!

TerribleBPthrower posted:

PG isn’t cancelling anything until they get within 2 weeks of the event. I think its a good policy. I’ve only been paying attention to FL, but I think it may be possible to do events in Ft Myers as they have a lower amount of infections. I can’t see them doing their events scheduled in West Palm for a while, if at all this summer. Overall, most of FL seems to be on the right track to be able to open up baseball next month. 

Similar to the going back to work topic in the other thread, you will have people who don’t want to travel, stay in hotels, or have their kids in a crowded dugout. I

I think that it will alsobe up to the people who live in a particular area. If you lived in Ft Myers, would you want a lot of people descending upon you from all different areas, not me.  That's what got FL messed up in the first place.

Very true @TPM. It may be possible to do events as well in Sanford and Melbourne, but to your point only if the cities are open to it. I can confidently say I don’t see any tournaments at Fit Team or Roger Dean though this summer. 

I think perhaps even if PG is able to host events at East Cobb at some point in May or June, they will look a lot different from the days of old.  In announcing a partial reopening, Gov. Kemp was clear that social distancing and sanitizing would have to be vigorously practiced.  I'm not sure what a baseball tournament would look like under those conditions.

PG Texas has one Memorial Day, for now. Gov Abbot opening up the state, so there's hope.

There is also one in August looks promising....

Fingers crossed for WWBA or the other Big PG Events (Hoover, etc.)

National Showcase in St. Pete in June? 

https://www.perfectgame.org/Ev...ult.aspx?event=13163

The National showcase in St. Pete in June will turn into a FL showcase or southeast showcase.  

You really think a lot of people are hopping on an airplane in June?

We were going to drive down from NC (Team USA event The Weekend prior).

We’re driving from Austin,TX and not flying 

Georgia is starting Phase 1 reopening this Friday.  It seems feasible that, if things go well, the WWBAs scheduled for late June and early July could happen.

I think that coaches are waiting for direction from the NCAA.  

LuckyCat posted:

I think perhaps even if PG is able to host events at East Cobb at some point in May or June, they will look a lot different from the days of old.  In announcing a partial reopening, Gov. Kemp was clear that social distancing and sanitizing would have to be vigorously practiced.  I'm not sure what a baseball tournament would look like under those conditions.

It would be fine until someone does this.

Had a conversation with a staff member from PG.  He advised they were optimistic that May baseball would be played at some point and they are ironing out specifics on how to keep everyone safe.   From the conversation I had it doesn't sound like rows of golf carts are gonna be allowed at the bigger events like seen in the past.  My guess is that more venues will need to be secured in order to space games out and the number of scouts/coaches allowed to attend will have limits.   

4arms posted:

Had a conversation with a staff member from PG.  He advised they were optimistic that May baseball would be played at some point and they are ironing out specifics on how to keep everyone safe.   From the conversation I had it doesn't sound like rows of golf carts are gonna be allowed at the bigger events like seen in the past.  My guess is that more venues will need to be secured in order to space games out and the number of scouts/coaches allowed to attend will have limits.   

Yes, this is sort of what I imagine.  I could also see them limiting attendance of non-players to one accompanying adult or none at all.  In Georgia anyway, I think they're going to have to make folks in the stand sit at least six feet apart, so there won't be room for lots of people besides the coaches to watch games.  I also think it's possible everyone's temperature will have to be read before they are allowed in.

--not trying to get political and not speculating whether specific restrictions are warranted--just thinking through what would be required for baseball to be played--

If social distancing is still required, I'm not sure how baseball games would work (outside of MLB's proposal to keep players isolated from the rest of society).  Players would need to be six feet apart in dugouts, during mound visits, at bases.  Umpire couldn't crouch behind the catcher.  Tennis courts were closed in my county because of concerns about transmission via the ball because players both touch it--that could be an issue for baseball also.

If players don't have to be concerned about the above exposures, then fans should be allowed to sit in the bleachers together and scouts in carts.  So I would think baseball requires an everything-is-nearly-normal scenario.

Great points but I do think the restrictions will be subject to flexibility and as states reopen.  Giving the directors of the events more discretion. I feel that if it was all one way or all another way then MLB wouldn’t bother discussing whether to have fanless games because of the points you mentioned.  

Chico Escuela posted:

--not trying to get political and not speculating whether specific restrictions are warranted--just thinking through what would be required for baseball to be played--

If social distancing is still required, I'm not sure how baseball games would work (outside of MLB's proposal to keep players isolated from the rest of society).  Players would need to be six feet apart in dugouts, during mound visits, at bases.  Umpire couldn't crouch behind the catcher.  Tennis courts were closed in my county because of concerns about transmission via the ball because players both touch it--that could be an issue for baseball also.

If players don't have to be concerned about the above exposures, then fans should be allowed to sit in the bleachers together and scouts in carts.  So I would think baseball requires an everything-is-nearly-normal scenario.

I don't disagree with our logic, but somehow in Georgia, people are going to be able to get tattoos and haircuts starting this Friday, so I don't think social distancing rules apply at all times to all circumstances.  Where it can be reasonably done, it should be done.  So, for example, a barber is going to have to stand right behind your head, while he cuts your hair.  But, his barber chair should be spaced at least six feet away from another barber's chair and waiting customers should be sitting six feet from each other.  So. I guess the goal is to minimize not completely eliminate risk.

In a baseball game, the umpire is going to have to squat behind the catcher, who is going to have to squat behind the plate next to the batter.  There's just no getting around that.  The first basemen is going to have to stay at the bag to get the runner out.  The six feet rule can't be enforced in game situations, but I suppose it could be enforced in the dugout.  Also, the folks in the stands are going to stay six feet apart, and I imagine they are going to limit the stands to only those people necessary for the event to happen.

LuckyCat posted:

Chico Escuela posted:

--not trying to get political and not speculating whether specific restrictions are warranted--just thinking through what would be required for baseball to be played--

If social distancing is still required, I'm not sure how baseball games would work (outside of MLB's proposal to keep players isolated from the rest of society).  Players would need to be six feet apart in dugouts, during mound visits, at bases.  Umpire couldn't crouch behind the catcher.  Tennis courts were closed in my county because of concerns about transmission via the ball because players both touch it--that could be an issue for baseball also.

If players don't have to be concerned about the above exposures, then fans should be allowed to sit in the bleachers together and scouts in carts.  So I would think baseball requires an everything-is-nearly-normal scenario.

I don't disagree with our logic, but somehow in Georgia, people are going to be able to get tattoos and haircuts starting this Friday, so I don't think social distancing rules apply at all times to all circumstances.  Where it can be reasonably done, it should be done.  So, for example, a barber is going to have to stand right behind your head, while he cuts your hair.  But, his barber chair should be spaced at least six feet away from another barber's chair and waiting customers should be sitting six feet from each other.  So. I guess the goal is to minimize not completely eliminate risk.

In a baseball game, the umpire is going to have to squat behind the catcher, who is going to have to squat behind the plate next to the batter.  There's just no getting around that.  The first basemen is going to have to stay at the bag to get the runner out.  The six feet rule can't be enforced in game situations, but I suppose it could be enforced in the dugout.  Also, the folks in the stands are going to stay six feet apart, and I imagine they are going to limit the stands to only those people necessary for the event to happen.

Do feel at showcases some of these normal baseball rules can be eased.  I've been at college camps where the games are called by Coaches behind the mound.  Nothing to say that singles/walks can't be granted an automatic lead, etc.  Those are really more for player evaluation in game type situations as opposed to trying to win a tourney, so think they'll be more malleable rules with regards to player safety and maintaining social distance practices as best as possible given situation. 

Wechson posted:

Do feel at showcases some of these normal baseball rules can be eased.  I've been at college camps where the games are called by Coaches behind the mound.  Nothing to say that singles/walks can't be granted an automatic lead, etc.  Those are really more for player evaluation in game type situations as opposed to trying to win a tourney, so think they'll be more malleable rules with regards to player safety and maintaining social distance practices as best as possible given situation. 

I agree.  If I operated an outfit like PG, I might do more showcases, less tournaments, where social distancing protocols can be more carefully enforced, at least at the beginning.  Even with all these measures, some people, including coaches, event staff, umpires, and players, may be leery of showing up.

LuckyCat, I think that is a big question.  How many folks will feel comfortable attending these events?  Maybe fewer early in summer and more if (fingers crossed) things go smoothly.  I also wonder if college HCs who are older or have underlying conditions may decide to send young assistant coaches to some events they used to attend in person?

My son is a 2020 and already committed.  He is getting a raw deal missing his senior season (and prom, graduation, etc.), but at least we don't have to weigh the risks of going to events this summer vs. the risk of not getting seen.  Those of you with younger kids may have some tough choices ahead.

Social distancing? How do they intend to disinfect the ball in mid-flight as it passes from one player's hand to the next...to the next...?

Prepster posted:

Social distancing? How do they intend to disinfect the ball in mid-flight as it passes from one player's hand to the next...to the next...?

Obviously it's not going to be perfect.  Lots of disinfectant between innings, etc.  The point being they can take a lot of steps to reduce the interaction/connection of people as much as possible.  Another point being is if this is the reality of the situation come summer, it's going to be a call for coaches, parents, and students to make if they want to participate given it won't be a full proof solution.  Of course, nothing is that other than staying in your home for the foreseeable future. 

I also wonder to what extent there could be liability concerns for organizations like PG , PBR, Head First, and Showball.  Perhaps insurance coverage issues as well.  The lawyers may keep things shut down for a while.

Prepster posted:

Social distancing? How do they intend to disinfect the ball in mid-flight as it passes from one player's hand to the next...to the next...?

pretty sure any microdoplets on the ball, blow off 50-90 mph as the ball travels......

More and more studies. Kids have virtually zero risk with the virus. And now studies show they have lower viral loads, risk is immensely less transmitting from kids to adults. Big issue is sick adults transmitting to adults. Open it up and let kids play. 

No offense James G, but I don't want to turn this into another thread debating news and stats about COVID-19.  There was a very long thread like that until yesterday--and I thought it was both interesting and useful.  But the folks who run this site shut it down, as is their right.  

@Chico Escuela oh totally agree. But when people act like you can't play baseball or be outside and ignore science that is out there, I thought it deserved a response. People can ignore or move on, totally their right. 

There are a few posts I wanted to respond to, so I'll try to organize them here.

I also thought about whether there would be significant decreases in the number of teams due to people not participating. Especially some of the big tournaments that draw tons of teams that can't drive there. They may not need anywhere near the number of fields they are used to.

Social distancing allows for groups of 10 or less. I know this is a guideline number and it is better when you have everyone maintaining their space. But if I'm a sports tournament organization, that is the loophole I'd use to justify it. There just isn't a way to keep 6 feet apart during a game. So maybe they put a limit on roster sizes or numbers of kids that are allowed in the dugout at a time.

I don't think the bleachers seating will be much of an issue. Most people are sitting by the fence in their own chair anyway. If I were the parks, I'd just get rid of the bleachers for now. 

I'm not a lawyer, but I'd think having every participant/spectator sign some sort of waiver up front would take care of any potential liability issues. 

@TPM brought up what could be the biggest hurdle, do the towns like Ft. Myers and East Cobb want thousands of tourists suddenly coming into your town for a few days and potentially causing outbreak issues?

Terrible, I am a lawyer.  If I had a client who wanted to run a tournament this summer, I absolutely would advise them to get a COVID-specific waiver from anyone who entered the premises.  But I also would advise them that no waiver is a guarantee against liability--and in this situation we are mostly in uncharted waters, because I don't think there are many relevant precedents out there.  LuckyCat's point re: insurance is a good one also.  I wouldn't count on carriers covering COVID-related claims (not without a fight anyhow). 

My bottom line:  Heck if I know how this all plays out.  We will know more in a month or two...  

If you have a 2020 thats headed to college, instead of playing this summer, ask about heading to school to get some credits in, and be able to work with the strength coach ( not allowed with coaches). Remember that you are going to compete with red shirt freshman!

TPM, great idea.  But schools in NC, at least, have already announced that summer classes will be online.  I don't know how many schools are going to have students resident for summer school. 

Chico Escuela posted:

Terrible, I am a lawyer.  If I had a client who wanted to run a tournament this summer, I absolutely would advise them to get a COVID-specific waiver from anyone who entered the premises.  But I also would advise them that no waiver is a guarantee against liability--and in this situation we are mostly in uncharted waters, because I don't think there are many relevant precedents out there.  LuckyCat's point re: insurance is a good one also.  I wouldn't count on carriers covering COVID-related claims (not without a fight anyhow). 

My bottom line:  Heck if I know how this all plays out.  We will know more in a month or two...  

I'm a lawyer, too, but this isn't my practice area.  I do know that waivers might help you win your case, but they don't keep you from being sued.  If your insurance policy won't cover this, you're out of pocket on the litigation costs to get the case dismissed or settled.  It won't be as much as a damages award, but it won't be nothing.

I also wonder about liability for employees.  A place like Lake Point, for example, requires quite a few folks to keep it running.  All those employees will be exposed, too, and will be exposing players and coaches to whatever they've got.  Lake Point is in Bartow County, one of the harder hit exurban counties outside Atlanta in terms of infection rate, and I suspect things are going to get worse there before they get better.  Cobb County has had a particularly rough go, as have all the counties around Atlanta, and has an oddly high case fatality rate at their hospitals.

https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

I guess I'm confused. If this (by actual medical definition) a form of the flu, do we need waivers to do anything for the flu? Does the flu not kill thousands of people (both young and old), even with a vaccine, every year? Why would this be any different and require a waiver? Again it's simple risk, just like the flu and going to work, school, public areas. If you don't want to be exposed then don't. For those that want to, let them. 

James G posted:

I guess I'm confused. If this (by actual medical definition) a form of the flu, do we need waivers to do anything for the flu? Does the flu not kill thousands of people (both young and old), even with a vaccine, every year? Why would this be any different and require a waiver? Again it's simple risk, just like the flu and going to work, school, public areas. If you don't want to be exposed then don't. For those that want to, let them. 

I haven't been involved in other discussions about the pandemic, and I suspect this is not a good place to debate whether Covid19 is or is not a form of the flu or a simple risk like the flu.  No offense JamesG, but I'm going to pass on your questions.  I was just thinking out loud about what the practical implications might be for places like PG trying to figure out whether and how to host an event.

LuckyCat posted:

James G posted:

I guess I'm confused. If this (by actual medical definition) a form of the flu, do we need waivers to do anything for the flu? Does the flu not kill thousands of people (both young and old), even with a vaccine, every year? Why would this be any different and require a waiver? Again it's simple risk, just like the flu and going to work, school, public areas. If you don't want to be exposed then don't. For those that want to, let them. 

I haven't been involved in other discussions about the pandemic, and I suspect this is not a good place to debate whether Covid19 is or is not a form of the flu or a simple risk like the flu.  No offense JamesG, but I'm going to pass on your questions.  I was just thinking out loud about what the practical implications might be for places like PG trying to figure out whether and how to host an event.

All good, understood. I just hope rational people ask those type of questions before making decisions that alter our way of life (personal and the business side). 

James G, ---   True, we assume all sorts of risks, all the time.  Oversimplifying things (not because of my opinion of you or anyone else here, but because law has a way of making things tedious and complicated), tort liability occurs when someone is injured due to another person's negligence. 

"Negligence" can be generally defined as not doing what you reasonably should have done to prevent the accident in question.  That standard varies with circumstances.  I would not presume to predict how a suit over COVID-19 exposure would play out--much would depend on the facts and the laws in the relevant state.  But a plaintiff could potentially argue that by holding a tournament, an organizer represented that they took reasonable precautions against COVID.  If there were a cluster of infections traced to the tournament, then maybe the precautions weren't so reasonable.  (Google "res ipsa loquitur" if you want to go further down the doctrinal rabbit hole.)  Perhaps there should have been more sanitizing stations, fewer spectators, better screening of players who showed symptoms...  And maybe most important of all, if a claim is plausible enough to survive a motion to dismiss (early in the lawsuit, before things get really expensive), then a defendant may pay a settlement just to avoid the costs of litigation and the risk they will owe even more.

I'm not a plaintiffs' tort lawyer and I'm not defending the system.  There might never be a suit filed, or a court might toss a suit because of a waiver (or maybe not).  Lots of other outcomes are possible, too.  How serious is the risk?  You'd have to ask your lawyer to give you an answer specific to your situation.  

LuckyCat is more prudent than I am...   I teach law, so James G your question was kind of catnip for me (no pun intended).  But yeah, we should stick to baseball.

Good post Chico. Lots of businesses are probably going through similar situations. My wife's family owns a handful of gymnastics clubs around the country. They get sued for the craziest things. Sometimes they get dismissed, sometimes they don't. I can't see insurance companies being in a hurry to write policies to cover Covid claims. Especially without really knowing what the exposure is going to be for those claims.

I can understand the stress those who are committed yet feel. But I can’t imagine there being any amateur baseball this summer. Reopening doesn’t mean back to normal. It’s opening with precautions. Chico laid out everything I was going to post about the complications of playing baseball without possible virus spread. Then there’s the liability insurance companies might not cover due to a decision conflicting with an act of God. 

I would have liked to go to yesterday’s protest about shutting down Maine. But based on what I saw in other news clips I knew a majority of people wouldn’t following distancing rules (and they didn’t). Unfortunately, there are Bozos out there who think COVID is nothing but a hoax plot to bring down the country and/or defeat Trump. I’ve heard some dumb things said at these rallies (because the media wants the ignorant heard on the reopen side

A former college roommate/teammate and still friend became a Lt Colonel in the Army. He’s done four tours in Middle East hot spots. His view is life has casualties. Work on! It certainly conflicts with his view “war sucks.”

I think the comparison with the Flu may be apt, though.  If there is a major outbreak of the flu in a business that serves people who are susceptible to it, and they don't do anything, they could be liable.  So, it is a real concern, but if there are guidelines from the Federal and State governments that are followed closely, I would think that a business should be mostly protected.  Another thing to consider is that there may a law to limit liability over Covid19 eventually, if it becomes a major issue in getting things started back up.  I think that topic was covered in one of the press conferences.

GA person here.

Received an email this morning from a known/respected travel organization here in our area saying that their facility was reopening as of Friday, and they would be proceeding with practices. 

I anticipate that our son’s team will start with practices the weekend of May 9, if not sooner. 

Our first tourney was to be Memorial Day Weekend here in GA, and I think there is a solid chance it will go off. 

Prepster posted:

Social distancing? How do they intend to disinfect the ball in mid-flight as it passes from one player's hand to the next...to the next...?

"no, Blue, that wasn't vasoline...it was purell"

I’m all for opening cautiously. I just watched the GA governor validate opening tattoo parlors, gyms, hair salons and nail salons. These all violate the federal standards. I could only shake my head.

Personally, I would add sports where players share a ball and stand inches from each other in the same category. Good luck!

@Eokerholm posted:

We were going to drive down from NC (Team USA event The Weekend prior).

We’re driving from Austin,TX and not flying 

We are planning to do the same from Houston. We are supposed to be in Florida at the end of July/beginning of August for about a 10 day stretch (PG 15u World Series and PG Freshman All American Showcase).  Figured we would need to rent a car anyway to drive between the two events. So we decided it would be a better decision to just make that drive from Houston to Sanford.

I wonder how much pressure PG is under financially with zero income due to events shut down and the monthly payment on the $800M note for Hutto's construction on top of normal operating expenses.  Eventually it has to catch up to them.

PBR's new partnerships with Driveline, Trackman, Visual Edge , and Blast Motion (am I leaving any out?) And taking over Lake Point could really ratchet up the competition once events reopen.  Poised to reign?  Maybe.  But definitely solid steps to separate and improve their product.

both orgs have solid reasons for wanting to open as soon as possible.

I think PBR is the new PG.  PG is trying to play catch up with their partnerships, but a year without a main hub for WWBA and this virus, are putting PG behind.  We got an invite yesterday to a PG event June 6 in Alabama.  They seem to be trying to collect money.  In the south, things may come back faster than other areas.  Our Governor (TX) said on a radio show yesterday that we would be eating in restaurants within the first week of May.

@bandera posted:

I wonder how much pressure PG is under financially with zero income due to events shut down and the monthly payment on the $800M note for Hutto's construction on top of normal operating expenses.  Eventually it has to catch up to them.

PBR's new partnerships with Driveline, Trackman, Visual Edge , and Blast Motion (am I leaving any out?) And taking over Lake Point could really ratchet up the competition once events reopen.  Poised to reign?  Maybe.  But definitely solid steps to separate and improve their product.

both orgs have solid reasons for wanting to open as soon as possible.

I would be surprised if PG has any expenses related to the new HQ in Hutto.  The city is likely carrying the note through the construction process as they (the city) have been firing developers, hiring  a new one then suing the new one.....its been eventful and I am not sure they have turned a shovel yet.

We've seen a bunch of postponements in the last few days, with the Black Bear Classic in SC and the Tournament of Champions in Ohio moved back to August as of a few days ago. The travel program my 2021 plays for then had to choose between the two because the dates conflicted, and now they also conflict with the Showball showcase my son's slotted to attend in Long Island. It amazes me after all this careful planning how you just never know. This is going to be a real mess, but I think what I see is a mad sprint from August through October and the summer season giving way to a late summer/fall mayhem for kids looking to play in college. I just keep telling my kid, stay ready and keeping doing pens and lifting, your time will come. If that's August or Sept/Oct., or if you just need to get into the right fit school and try to walk on, just be ready. He is fortunate in that he took the SAT early and did well, but it's going to come down to one great day in front of the right coaches for him and then a quick decision if he gets an offer. I saw somewhere that PG is waiting to call its tournaments until 2 weeks out - and I'm torn on that. I guess they have to do what they have to do and we'll have to do the same. Anyone else think high academic schools might push back early decision deadlines or general application deadlines, which would then extend the window for kids to take the SATs, subject tests and also prolong the recruiting window for HA DIII and the Ivy's?

Some of the top 2023 teams in FL started Zoom meetings this week to go over schedules with the players. A few are very confident they will be playing the second week in June. Another coach of a prominent FL program said PG was moving a couple of their bigger events to August to avoid having to reschedule twice. 

Son (2022) starts team workouts/practices the weekend of the 15th. 

And with one of the probable school schedules here in GA being one that starts after Labor Day and ends in mid -June 2021, I think that what Terrible said re: events moving to Aug is correct. 

@BaseballDad72 posted:

Anyone else think high academic schools might push back early decision deadlines or general application deadlines, which would then extend the window for kids to take the SATs, subject tests and also prolong the recruiting window for HA DIII and the Ivy's?

Recruiting will be a mess this summer/fall anyway. But, a lot of HA schools are saying they won't require SAT/ACT for applicants next year (hs grad '21), so the testing dates won't matter:

https://www.insidehighered.com...-competitive-go-test

And the NCAA is also abolishing the SAT/ACT requirement for D1 for incoming freshmen:

https://www.usatoday.com/story...tandards/5152671002/

Well, that’s fair to most but thinking about my kid not sure that helps him at all. He busted it to take his SAT early and did very well. If all the HA schools waive the SAT, not sure where that puts the kids that took it and did well. Does their score noT matter? My kid is taking 5 APs this year and has not had real instruction for almost two months.  How are schools going to be able to compare potential admissions if some kids have scores and others don’t? Or if a student athlete decides not to take the SATs in the fall even though they are being offered but the schools waived them so no need? I think the proactive student athletes are going to get screwed by this decision. That doesn’t mean it’s the wrong thing to do but these actions have unintended consequences just like giving back a year of eligibility. 

FWIW, we are at large travel team organization in Atlanta. Have not even begun discussion of live practices yet much less tournaments. 

@BaseballDad72 posted:

Well, that’s fair to most but thinking about my kid not sure that helps him at all. He busted it to take his SAT early and did very well. If all the HA schools waive the SAT, not sure where that puts the kids that took it and did well. Does their score noT matter? My kid is taking 5 APs this year and has not had real instruction for almost two months.  How are schools going to be able to compare potential admissions if some kids have scores and others don’t? Or if a student athlete decides not to take the SATs in the fall even though they are being offered but the schools waived them so no need? I think the proactive student athletes are going to get screwed by this decision. That doesn’t mean it’s the wrong thing to do but these actions have unintended consequences just like giving back a year of eligibility. 

I agree the process is going to be strange.  (45 minute AP online AP exams?  Seriously?)  But IMO, for most applicants at top-tier HA schools a good test score is necessary, but not really a distinction.  That is, you might need at least a 33 or 34 ACT to be in the mix academically; but a 35 or 36 isn't going to distinguish you from others who also made the cutoff.  Once you are in the pool of qualified applicants, then it comes down to X-factors--an achievement that makes an applicant stand out in a crowd of very accomplished students, a connection to an alumnus or large donor, being 1st generation college or a member of some minority groups. 

Top schools have 5 or more applicants for every spot who have 99th percentile test scores.  I don't think going test optional will change things much except the for a relatively small handful of students who have great grades, took 8 or 10 APs, won a some major prize or achieved some important distinction, and couldn't raise their standardized test scores even with tutoring, multiple attempts at the test, etc.

For sure having a high SAT/ACT score is still going to help, it just won't be required.  Same with the AP classes - what is helpful is that the school counselor will be able to write that he took the most rigorous program at his school. 

I would assume that, just as in any year, any college coach is going to want to know that an athlete can be admitted to the school by whatever standards the school uses.  Shouldn't matter that admissions standards have changed, there will still be standards.  That will apply to anyone.

Not normal times, everyone knows that.

I wonder what PG will do if MLB decides to hold half their games in FL. 3 of the facilities they use on a regular basis would not be available. 

Sorry to drop another bomb on 2021/22/23s.  What do you think about the scouting in the fall?  College coaches missing the spring and having too many players coming in they will use every weekend they can to see what they have and especially if they get what they want which is more scrimmages in the fall.  i wonder how many will be able to be out recruiting versus working with what they have on campus.  I know recruiting is vital but for immediate success trying to figure out who you are going to keep on roster and who you are going to red shirt and who you are going to let go this fall will be priority #1.  If it was my son, I would beg the coach to pitch him on as many Sunday games as possible because I think more guys will be recruiting on Sundays.  JMO

That’s a great question PF. This is also going really jam up the showcase and tournaments making them compete for kids. Wonder if Showball is going to be able to guarantee nearly as many coaches as usual. 

Pbr cancelled all events through June and aren’t refunding the money.  Money paid can be used towards future events

@Dadof3 posted:

Pbr cancelled all events through June and aren’t refunding the money.  Money paid can be used towards furies events

That’s lousy. I would dispute the charges on whatever card I used (if you are not able to use the credit).  

@Dadof3 posted:

Pbr cancelled all events through June and aren’t refunding the money.  Money paid can be used towards furies events

Assume you are referring to events in your state. PBR GA hasn’t cancelled anything except their May events (thus far)., AFAIK. 

PBR Arizona announced today that their June events are still on as scheduled: https://twitter.com/PBRArizona...757009703034880?s=20

All of Ohio and I think the other was va or wv.  Glad to hear they are keeping ga open.

PG has some regional events scheduled around here still on for May.  I know those are franchises but glad they are being optimistic.  I saw a small tournament organization publish on FB that they would have tournaments starting weekend after Mother's Day.  Each team is only allowed 13 players, 2 coaches, and 25 fans.  Welcome to the new normal.  The question is now whether parents will let their kids go if only 25 fans total are allowed.  I read it and thought 1 parent is not getting to go unless they assumed 1 of the coaches is a dad.

Here is the weekly update from PG:

With some states starting to reopen under Phase 1, we remain shut down for the next week. We continue discussions with all facilities and health experts to ensure we are ready to go as soon as it is safe to start playing again. 

At this time, we are continuing to postpone events for the next week.  We continue the process of rescheduling and will announce the new PG schedule as soon as we possibly can. 

Note: It does appear that we will be playing before much longer.  All scheduled events will take place as they now appear with the PG WS, WWBA, BCS, Super25, and Youth Tournaments and Showcases. Please keep checking the PG website for further information regarding both makeups and regularly scheduled events.

We will soon be releasing our operational plan. We will be following all the necessary recommended guidelines. We not only plan to run the best events, we want to run the safest events for everyone involved.

@Dadof3 posted:

All of Ohio and I think the other was va or wv.  Glad to hear they are keeping ga open.

Most PBR events in Virginia are still on as of right now.  WV did have to cancel or postpone at least 1.

USA Baseball posted this for Western Team Championships in Phoenix:

You are right, it was the university of Charleston pbr event that we were supposed to go to that was cancelled 

Most of the big travel tournaments utilize high school fields. Will the schools/counties allow them to rent these fields, when they are not letting their own teams/ coaches use them?  I think the tournaments want to get started but it’s not gonna be easy and maybe much more limited??

I think they’ll definitely be limited, but probably just as much by the consumers. There are a lot of people not willing to travel and stay in hotels right now. It may result in some teams being forced to fold this summer. 

FL only has a few more weeks of school. Once that is over I can’t see any reason they shouldn’t rent the fields. The tournaments also need the main complexes to be cleared for use. Some are being used as testing sites and may not be available. 

VTool is one of the more prevalent summer ball promoters in Texas.  They released the attached statement addressing the potential access issues to fields on college and HS campuses.

I saw an update today on Prospect Wire's site stating they were told they most likely will not have access to the Mets facility they use for one of their main tournaments. The Mets told them they would either be doing spring training or would have all of their top minor league prospects there training due to the minor league season possibly being cancelled.

If this ends up being the case, Jupiter (Roger Dean), West Palm (Fit Team), and Ft. Myers (Jet Blue) will not be available. Ft. Myers still has a few complexes that may be able to hold a smaller scale tournament. 

PG just rescheduled a showcase from this weekend to June. It wasn’t a major showcase, but I think it’s significant because it was at a complex not being used for testing and is not an MLB spring training site. Either they couldn’t commit to criteria being required by the local government or they didn’t have enough participants to make it worth their while. 

PBR Florida announced yesterday that they will be playing May 29/30 in Florida for the "Summer Kickoff".    

Heard today that the dead period may be extended to 7/31. Travel coach is letting everyone know so they can decide on whether they still decide if they are going to play or not since coaches likely will not be out watching. He said the travel practices will start 6/15 and will try to get in as many tournaments as possible. 

Noth PG or PBR, but MN, the state with the most legion teams(over 250, I think?), cancelled the season today. 

@TerribleBPthrower posted:

Heard today that the dead period may be extended to 7/31. Travel coach is letting everyone know so they can decide on whether they still decide if they are going to play or not since coaches likely will not be out watching. He said the travel practices will start 6/15 and will try to get in as many tournaments as possible. 

I would question the source of that information.   The NCAA put out a number of updates just a couple of days ago including that the committee would meet Wednesday May 13th to make a final decision on extending the dead period to June 30th.  There is no mention of any possibility of extending the the end of July.

"The group also committed to make a final decision on an extension of the recruiting dead period through June 30 at the group’s May 13 meeting."

The entire statement can be found here:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/reso...nket-waiver-requests

Coach said he heard it from two different coaches he was trying to get to come watch the kid play. He could be wrong, and it wouldn’t be the first time. But I thought it was somewhat credible since he used that info to offer parents an out on their summer commitment. He could just as likely be saying it to make it seem like he is more connected than he is. 

PBR MN Underclass (2022 showcase) still scheduled for June 14,  Top Prospect Game (2021) June 15, and Underclass (2023 showcase) on June 18. Fingers crossed they still happen for all involved...

Latest PG announcement didn't have anything new. Prospect Wire still seems to have the most realistic updates on when/if tournaments will be played. Travel coaches are still saying middle of June, but I'm starting to think they are saying that just so they can start practicing to get some income again.

FL has a lot of obstacles right now. The MLB complexes won't commit to anything because they don't know if MLB will be using them. Most of the other complexes are owned by cities and counties and they are now saying they may not open them for tournaments until phase 3. 

A coach I know was told the same thing as your friend about one of the tournaments this coming weekend in East Cobb. He woke up this morning to a notice that it is being postponed. 

Received an email on Friday (5/8) that stated the PA State Games in DuBois Pa that were scheduled for June 15-17 are still a go. PBR has changed to one day format  in order to comply with CDC Guidelines involving social distancing for players. Clearfield County is currently yellow and should move to Green in a few weeks............. Hopefully, PA continues the positive trends.

American Legion (National Level) cancels its 2020 summer season. Many states look to form independent leagues not under "Legion umbrella." Prior to this some states cancelled their summer league. This decision cancels all Posts nationally.

https://www.gametimect.com/ame...all-suspends-season/

We booked flights yesterday for PG Palm Springs June 5-10.  They said they have back up fields.  We will see.  I could use a trip to the beach either way.

@baseballhs posted:

We booked flights yesterday for PG Palm Springs June 5-10.  They said they have back up fields.  We will see.  I could use a trip to the beach either way.

Well, you’ll find plenty of sand in Palm Springs....😉

Palm Beach.  I think that one has sand. I’m going to the one with baseball and water.

@baseballhs posted:

Palm Beach.  I think that one has sand. I’m going to the one with baseball and water.

I’m hearing Palm Beach won’t have baseball by then. Fit Team and Rodger Dean will be in use by MLB (hopefully). All the coaches around here are saying mid June at the earliest  

If their backup fields are county owned, which most are, those will probably be off limits. They haven’t reached phase 1 yet. The FL counties that host a majority of the tournaments are now saying they won’t open fields for tournaments until closer to phase 3  

Their beaches are apparently closed right now. I live just north of them and my county just started checking IDs at our beaches to keep the Palm Beach riff raff out. 

**Which PG tournament are you looking at? Their site doesn't appear to have anything listed during those dates for a showcase or tournament. 

Sorry, I listed everything wrong.  I saw a chance to play and we booked...the team had invited us to play in a bunch of PG tournaments so I assumed this one was.  It is the Prospect Select Classic.  It does list the FIT field and Dan Rogers Stadium.  He didn't say what the back up fields were.  I contacted the PS group today for clarification.  I read today that they are opening the fields back up for pro sports but the Field administrators said they had not been contacted by anyone to get the fields ready for a Spring Training.  I also assumed all the beaches in Florida were open but it says Palm Beach just opened today and for exercise only.  Guess I'll wait to hear back.  The coach also sent me a text yesterday saying there was a PBR team camp on the 4th and we could attend that free of charge in Daytona.  Haven't done research yet to see if they are open, but not planning to attend.

It looks like Louisiana is going to be playing soon. On May 13th, the Lt. Governor of LA sent out a letter inviting organizations to bring their teams to LA to play. Seen the letter floating around Twitter and organizations are forwarding their governor's asking to follow LA. 

@baseballhs posted:

Sorry, I listed everything wrong.  I saw a chance to play and we booked...the team had invited us to play in a bunch of PG tournaments so I assumed this one was.  It is the Prospect Select Classic.  It does list the FIT field and Dan Rogers Stadium.  He didn't say what the back up fields were.  I contacted the PS group today for clarification.  I read today that they are opening the fields back up for pro sports but the Field administrators said they had not been contacted by anyone to get the fields ready for a Spring Training.  I also assumed all the beaches in Florida were open but it says Palm Beach just opened today and for exercise only.  Guess I'll wait to hear back.  The coach also sent me a text yesterday saying there was a PBR team camp on the 4th and we could attend that free of charge in Daytona.  Haven't done research yet to see if they are open, but not planning to attend.

We were hoping to play in the Palm Beach Classic that weekend. Fit Team is still being used as a testing site. I'm still hoping they get everything cleared in time. What age is your son playing in? I think my son's team is playing 16u for that one.

If they are open for exercise they should be open for regular use by the time you are here. Daytona should be wide open. They have been one of the most open areas of the state the entire time.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about the area or the fields or anything like that.

Thanks, I may as it gets closer. My son is doing 18U.  Just for fun.  A chance to play with some Hs teammates since they didn’t get to much this year.

It should be a good time. The competition is surprisingly good. The only thing I didn't like about PS tournament format is it should be read as a 5 game max. Their bracket system is weak. I think they only do top 4 or top 2 in each division advance. 

Do travel teams in HS usually pay for tournaments in advance? Some of these events have hundreds of teams listed as attending and there is a lot of talk of restricting tournaments based on number of fields being used. Just wondering if the tournaments would stick to their policies on no refunds and only giving the coach a credit for a future event