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In another thread, the following was brought up. It really didn't fit in that topic, so I started a new one. The following quotes by "Bee" and "Its".

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IS the recent popularity of summer/fall/wimter showcases and high profile tourneys changing how MLB teams structure their scouting departments - - IE - why do teams need all the area scouts/associate scouts they had in the past if other people (PG, T1, etc) can (probably more efficiently) IDENTIFY, EVALUATE, & GATHER talent into ONE place where a cross-checker/supervisor/GM can evaluate??

maybe PG or scout can comment

IMO - It would be interesting to hear bbscout's or PG's comments concerning if - and how - showcases/high profile tourneys are changing MLB scouting tactics. I personally havent a clue.

It is possible that BBScout would have a different perspective than I do.

Here’s how I see it:

MLB clubs still structure their scouting departments about the same as they did years ago. PG or anyone else cannot come close to replacing the area scouts.

Last year PG had the best year ever having over 800 players who had attended our events being selected in the draft. That’s a huge number, but it means 700 drafted players did not attend a PG event.

Someone needs to find and scout those 700 and for that matter someone needs to follow those 800 plus players that are identified by us and others.

The very best scouts will attend the events with lots of good players and continue trying to find those not at those events. The good area scout will know much more about the players in his own territory than Perfect Game does.

The best scouts will look at all the lists available of ranked players just to be sure he doesn’t miss someone. Those who do what we do, can help, but never replace the good MLB Scout!

It’s only the bad MLB Scouts that need to worry because we could possibly expose the bad ones. If we identify someone as a prospect and they blows it off… and the same identified prospect turns out to be the real deal… the scout that didn’t pay attention could have a problem. This is because every head of MLB scouting departments has access to our lists. We may not be right, but it would be foolish for a scout to not look at the lists or ignore them. Scouts get paid to gather accurate information. If we are wrong… we are wrong! If the MLB scout is wrong, very often, his job is in jeopardy.

High Level Showcases and Tournaments add value to the scouting community. They don’t replace the scouting community.

The best prospects need to be followed closely, there’s so much more to scouting than identifying the talent. In fact, identifying the talent is one of the easiest jobs for a MLB scout. I’m getting old and the eye sight isn’t as good as it used to be, but I can pick out the best talent in a hurry. This is not rocket science! The tough part is figuring out if that talent by itself is enough.

Someone has to figure out if that prospect will sign or what it will take for him to sign. Someone has to evaluate makeup and do the investigative work to make sure the organization is making a wise investment. There are area scouts who will watch a player many times before the draft. The crosschecker can’t replace the area scouts because they are responsible for covering too large an area. The crosscheckers are comparing the talent of the prospect from Washington to the prospect from Arizona.

I think showcase type events help the scouts and recruiters tremendously, those events help improve efficiency and even accuracy. I like to think what we do adds a lot and is important, but it will never replace the present system. Hope that never happens because I like the system as it is! Too many big mistakes would be made by MLB clubs if they replaced area scouts.

We find the best players we can and get them together and give our opinion. Then the scouting departments and recruiters watch them and determine the “value” of those players to their club or college. Our opinion does not always coincide with the final determined value.
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Personally I think he showcases help the MLB scouts tremendously

As I noted the other day on these boards we added a player to our Jupiter roster on the PG site the other nite at about 10:30 PM---within 15 minutes I had an email from a regional scout asking how did we get him--he didnt expect the player to be going--he is now looking forward to seeing this player in Jupiter

I have also been stopped in airports by scouts asking about players on the roster.

Obviously they are reading the info and we are just one program

The other factor is that showcases put many players in one spot--the scout can see more prospects than he can at a HS game or Legion game.

The other hidden aspect is that in an event such as Jupiter the scouts get the see the prospects playing against the VERY BEST talent around. I think that gives them a better feeling as to the prospects ability
Showcases give the scout a chance to see a large group of prospects about 10 months before the draft. It helps to put your priority list for the following year in order.As Jerry pointed out, there were 700 kids drafted that did not attend an event.

As far as cross checkers doing all the scouting, "GOOD LUCK". The scouting season leading up to the draft is 3 1/2 months long. About 105 days to see 1500 players and have about 500 of them crosschecked and about 200 of them crosschecked by more than one guy.

What the showcase circut has done is make life easier for a lazy scout. It has also caused the front office's to send the area scout to extended pro coverage in the summer time, figuring that if he sees a few showcases, he can spend the rest of his time covering minor league teams. That is a huge mistake, but it is what has happened. Why is that a mistake? 1.As Jerry mentioned, 700 players that got drafted did not attend any of their showcases. 2. See the thread on African Americans.
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Doug,

Yes, we know it has resulted in adding more pro coverage, but don't agree with that idea. Good scouts can stay busy as you know. Pro coverage is very important, but to me, finding pro players is more important. The pro guys have already been found! I know there is much more to think about though.

I understand showcases might make things easier for the lazy scout. However, I have seen lazy scouts (and recruiters) at showcases and they don't get as much out of it as the good (hard working) scouts.

One of my pet peeves and have seen it several times... A scout, or more often, a college coach spends most of their time at an event selling themselves, looking for a better job, rather than looking for players for his present employer! Personally I would never even think about hiring one of these guys.

If a scout is lazy now, he will be lazy next time. I know there are some (good) scouts and recruiters who do a better job and get "much" more out of a showcase than others do.
Doug and Jerry;

In 1987, we created the Area Code Games with never the idea that it would be the "father" of showcases.

The most enjoyable aspect of the AC games was
to use my organizational skills, my psychological experiences in real estate and my knowledge of the game to observe the college coaches, pro scouts, agents and the parents. There was and is no motivation to make money. If I wanted to make money, I would have been an agent or team owner.
My first professional baseball offer from the White Sox was $175.00 per month. Uncle Sam offer me $250.00 per month for 21 months to be an officer, not necessary a "gentleman".

In 1987, our first year, I also coached the Cubs AC team for 33 preliminary games. On this team was 12 future major league players.
This travel team was fun.

What is truly interesting is that for 22 years our American Team has played the best from Japan, Korea, China and Australia and never has a MLB asked me what is the "make up" of a specific player. Jerry and Doug do you have the answer?

In 1998, Adam LaRoche, Andy LaRoche, Bobby Jenks and Jereme Bonderman was our American Team to Australia for 12 games in 14 days.
Amazing and true!

1st Prediction: In 2006, Scouting and "showcases" will change and adjust their focus. A few like PG will survive, because they adjust to their consumer [parents.
Will the parents adjust? That is the question. In 1987, there was no parent involvement. Only the players and the scouts.

Bob Williams
Many parents I've met are of the opinion that understanding the recruiting process and getting the right information and finding the right "fit" is more relevant then which showcase to attend. With such a limited number of scholarships, most don't even talk about about that as a viable option. What is more important is what school will give their son the most playing time and a good education.

As parents going through the recruiting process interacting with coaches, managers, directors, etc,. it becomes pretty obvious that most of the players who are selected for "follow" status are also represented by an area scout, and it seems like they get an invite as a "selected player" to showcase, or play in a league that is not available to the player who hasn't been.

For parents to spend a lot of money on showcases before understanding the right "fit" for their son, and getting an invite to do so by a scout, is a waste of money IMO. For instance, after my son went to the GWS he said it was a good experience because it helped him to mature and gain a lot of confidence in himself. My son thought the GWS is a showcase experience that provides a truer picture of what the player will be dealing with as a pro. He really enjoyed staying with his host families.

Now the colleges have their own scouting methods that include the internet, showcase camps and Summer travel teams.

It seems to me that the JC colleges are trying to keep their players from straying to other showcases or camps as they have expanded their programs to include Fall/Winter programs and Summer travel teams.
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