So Bluedog.....shall we put these people you speak of in the batters box and fire fast balls at them and let them tell us how to hit.....
Or shall we go to people who have played the game at a high level and rely on them for their trial and error experiences?
The list I gave was rather short......How about almost EVERY big leaguer.....and I did say ALMOST.....
Buy the 500 HR hitters club tape.....every guy on it gets off of their back side except Ted Williams........
Like I said earlier......Grab a Wood Bat and get in there......BP from 50ft.....approx. 60mph....drive the ball to the middle of the field.......then let me spin a few.....sit back on your back leg and spin......you will not drive the ball middle/other way....can't happen....period.....
Try it before you buy it.........
Bluedog
I know what your saying but don't under-estimate some of us because we have much experience with a woodbat actually in our hands and been there.
Not to mention the countless hours of trial and error and evaluations and writing scouting reports and taking biomechanics anatomy kinesiology and attended numerous film sessions relating to mechanics and actually put in hours upon hours of practicing the correct ways even as adult...etc etc etc
Get the picture?
This is not to say your not an A+ student because I happen to think you are
Just remember, when it's all said and done,
a bunch of us are also A+ students of the rotational aspects of baseball related movements that must be INTERNALIZED in order to achieve the pinnacle of success.
Shep Does Care about your Input
Sincerely
I know what your saying but don't under-estimate some of us because we have much experience with a woodbat actually in our hands and been there.
Not to mention the countless hours of trial and error and evaluations and writing scouting reports and taking biomechanics anatomy kinesiology and attended numerous film sessions relating to mechanics and actually put in hours upon hours of practicing the correct ways even as adult...etc etc etc
Get the picture?
This is not to say your not an A+ student because I happen to think you are
Just remember, when it's all said and done,
a bunch of us are also A+ students of the rotational aspects of baseball related movements that must be INTERNALIZED in order to achieve the pinnacle of success.
Shep Does Care about your Input
Sincerely
And Bulldog.....I do not mean any of what I said in a condesending way......
Please do not take it that way.....
Please do not take it that way.....
quote:You plant your front foot and when the front heel hits the ground, and only until then, can you begin a weight transfer w/ rotaional components
This statement is better than what most people say about rotation in the swing, but, not accurate.....Actually, MLB hitters rotate into foot plant.....The middle begins the rotation and forces the front foot to the ground....Weight shift momentum is stopped and turned into rotation before the front foot hits the ground, not after.....
May I ask at what level did you stop playing?
Try what you just explained and then tell me how it is possible......
you cannot begin to fire your backside to the ball untill your front heel has touched the ground.....there is no torque.....
Try what you just explained and then tell me how it is possible......
you cannot begin to fire your backside to the ball untill your front heel has touched the ground.....there is no torque.....
When your front foot strikes the ground you should be mostly closed (hitters will differ a touch).....And I might add that the only decision made at the plate is to NOT swing....
Your view only reinforces my view, when a hitter is fooled.....by your account there would nothing to deliver to the ball when fooled on an off-speed pitch....
Your view only reinforces my view, when a hitter is fooled.....by your account there would nothing to deliver to the ball when fooled on an off-speed pitch....
LOW, rotation in the swing isn't about front side or back side.......It's about how the middle works......
The very few people who are great at teaching rotational technique hardly ever even mention front or back side.....They teach how to move the middle.......And, it's not about the feet or the hands and arms........It's about loading and unloading the big muscles properly using the middle as a power source.....
There is weight shift momentum but the momentum created is what is important not so much the weight shift......Some hitters create enough momentum without a big weight shift and some don't.......
Hitters who spin, and many amateur hitters do, aren't rotating......Spinning is not rotation.....Spinning results when rotation is not taught properly.....And, that is what is happening with coaches who think they understand rotation and don't......Which, as I said before, is most all coaches who are trying to teach rotation......
This is my point.....Coaches shouldn't try to teach rotation if they don't understand the physics and bio-mechanics involved in rotation......They simply can't do it.....
The very few people who are great at teaching rotational technique hardly ever even mention front or back side.....They teach how to move the middle.......And, it's not about the feet or the hands and arms........It's about loading and unloading the big muscles properly using the middle as a power source.....
There is weight shift momentum but the momentum created is what is important not so much the weight shift......Some hitters create enough momentum without a big weight shift and some don't.......
Hitters who spin, and many amateur hitters do, aren't rotating......Spinning is not rotation.....Spinning results when rotation is not taught properly.....And, that is what is happening with coaches who think they understand rotation and don't......Which, as I said before, is most all coaches who are trying to teach rotation......
This is my point.....Coaches shouldn't try to teach rotation if they don't understand the physics and bio-mechanics involved in rotation......They simply can't do it.....
Bluedog.....
Try this for me.....stride to hit, and when your front foot hits the ground only make contact w/ the ground w/ the ball of your front foot...and keep it there.....now rotate to swing, keeping only the ball of your front foot on the ground throughout the swing......how forcefull is it?
Now do the same but notice once your front heel touches the ground how much forcefull it is for you to fire your back side to the ball.....
This is in rebutal, only if I understood you correctly.....You saying that the rotation begins BEFORE the front foot even touches the ground....
Try this for me.....stride to hit, and when your front foot hits the ground only make contact w/ the ground w/ the ball of your front foot...and keep it there.....now rotate to swing, keeping only the ball of your front foot on the ground throughout the swing......how forcefull is it?
Now do the same but notice once your front heel touches the ground how much forcefull it is for you to fire your back side to the ball.....
This is in rebutal, only if I understood you correctly.....You saying that the rotation begins BEFORE the front foot even touches the ground....
Bulldog.....
I would also like to get your thoughts on how a "rotational" swing can help one handle the variety of pitches they are sure to see......
I must say.....I have NEVER heard the words rotaional swing or linear swing in or near the batting cage in my 17 years involved w/ college and professional baseball........
Front side, back side, head, hands, bat path, pass, etc.....yes....but not the rotational/linear debate.......
I would also like to get your thoughts on how a "rotational" swing can help one handle the variety of pitches they are sure to see......
I must say.....I have NEVER heard the words rotaional swing or linear swing in or near the batting cage in my 17 years involved w/ college and professional baseball........
Front side, back side, head, hands, bat path, pass, etc.....yes....but not the rotational/linear debate.......
quote:And I might add that the only decision made at the plate is to NOT swing....
LOW, To swing is a conscience decision made by the brain.......Not to swing is, also.......So is when to swing......All this is a brain event......This stuff isn't taught.....This should never be messed with.....
Technique is taught, timing shouldn't be messed with......
The difference between a fastball and an offspeed pitch is roughly 1/10th of a second.....If the middle is being used properly, a hitter can easily hold the stride for that long......However, if he is going backside to front side, he can't......
Bulldog ....
So who was the best pitcher you ever faced?
The best hitter I ever face was Frank Thomas.....
I'm just trying to get an idea to the level of stuff you have tried your theories on.....
So who was the best pitcher you ever faced?
The best hitter I ever face was Frank Thomas.....
I'm just trying to get an idea to the level of stuff you have tried your theories on.....
I try not to talk about a rotational swing....I talk about rotation in the swing......I don't like the linear-rotational choice of words myself.....And, I do believe those words confuse and frustrate coaches......In fact, I know they do......
Bulldog ...
And when you answer the question, Who was the toughest pitcher you ever faced?....please add why?
I just completely disagree w/ you.....
And getting to the decision making process.....the only decision a hitter makes is NOT to swing is very true.....It is a VERY important part of timeing.....So am I to believe that a hitter sees the ball and then decides to stride / or generate momentum, and say to himself "wow, that looks good, I think I'll swing".....?
And when you answer the question, Who was the toughest pitcher you ever faced?....please add why?
I just completely disagree w/ you.....
And getting to the decision making process.....the only decision a hitter makes is NOT to swing is very true.....It is a VERY important part of timeing.....So am I to believe that a hitter sees the ball and then decides to stride / or generate momentum, and say to himself "wow, that looks good, I think I'll swing".....?
LOW, all these things you say for me to do is a smokescreen to me.....I don't mean that with disrespect to you.......I want you to understand that I don't count on the legs for power or balance in the swing.......You do.....You always have......I understand that.....I have done it your way for a long time.....Not anymore.....
I understand your way.....You do not understand my way.......You haven't been on the journey I have to learn this rotation stuff.....Many times I thought I understood it, only to produce the spinning hitters that you talk about.......I have done that......So, when I see coaches do the same, I know they don't understand rotation.....They are not far enough along on their learning journey.......
I understand your way.....You do not understand my way.......You haven't been on the journey I have to learn this rotation stuff.....Many times I thought I understood it, only to produce the spinning hitters that you talk about.......I have done that......So, when I see coaches do the same, I know they don't understand rotation.....They are not far enough along on their learning journey.......
Bulldog...
Brother, you have lost me......I have no idea what you are talking about.......
It would help if you explained what you speak of instead of telling me I don't understand.....
BTW....you still have not answered my questions....
Brother, you have lost me......I have no idea what you are talking about.......
It would help if you explained what you speak of instead of telling me I don't understand.....
BTW....you still have not answered my questions....
Bulldog..
Where in the Sunny South are you?...perhaps we can get together and discuss this...I feel it would be much easier.....
I travel and am in the south on occassion.....
Where in the Sunny South are you?...perhaps we can get together and discuss this...I feel it would be much easier.....
I travel and am in the south on occassion.....
Bulldog....
post a video of what you speak of.....I would love to see it...
post a video of what you speak of.....I would love to see it...
LOW, without confusing the point.......
The hitter has half a second or less to recognize the location and speed of the pitch and decide to swing, or not.....The swing itself takes a minimum of half that time.....The brain takes some of that time for decision making after the eyes take up some of the time and signal the brain......
So where do you believe the ball is when the brain makes it's decision not to swing......
The difference between a fastball and an offspeed pitch is roughly 1/10th of a second.....This is exactly why MLB hitters must rotate into footplant......Until their middle begins the rotation, the foot stays in the air.....The rotation forces the foot down to the ground......They don't land on the front foot and wait.....
The hitter has half a second or less to recognize the location and speed of the pitch and decide to swing, or not.....The swing itself takes a minimum of half that time.....The brain takes some of that time for decision making after the eyes take up some of the time and signal the brain......
So where do you believe the ball is when the brain makes it's decision not to swing......
The difference between a fastball and an offspeed pitch is roughly 1/10th of a second.....This is exactly why MLB hitters must rotate into footplant......Until their middle begins the rotation, the foot stays in the air.....The rotation forces the foot down to the ground......They don't land on the front foot and wait.....
quote:.So am I to believe that a hitter sees the ball and then decides to stride / or generate momentum, and say to himself "wow, that looks good, I think I'll swing".....?
Yes.....And, if a coach understands rotation in the swing, this can be taught.....But, only if he understands....
OF COURSE THEY DO NOT LAND ON THEIR FRONT FOOT AND WAIT....I never said that.....you go face 90 and see if you can decide to swing after he lets go of the ball.......
One must get himself in a position to hit on every pitch......that means that as the arm starts forward (one can be picky and tell me to the tenth of a second) the hitter must anticipate the ball will be a strike or in a zone he is looking for (situational hitting perhaps) and if it is there he just continues what he started......If the ball is not of his liking he has only ONE decision as opposed to TWO...that decision is NOT to swing.....
One must get himself in a position to hit on every pitch......that means that as the arm starts forward (one can be picky and tell me to the tenth of a second) the hitter must anticipate the ball will be a strike or in a zone he is looking for (situational hitting perhaps) and if it is there he just continues what he started......If the ball is not of his liking he has only ONE decision as opposed to TWO...that decision is NOT to swing.....
