Aren't some of the better hitting & pitching coaches former players that had lackluster careers or never even made it to the big show. Rudy Jaramillo and Leo Mazzone come to mind as never having played in the majors. Teaching is a quality in itself regardless of personal success. Some have it and some don't.
p.s. also nteresting to note that Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs,
Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick never played on the pro level.
PGStaff, you have always been above board and a stand up guy on here.....I have respected what you have to say.....However.........
Why would you insinuate that I'm selling something around here?.....Do you know someone who has bought anything from me?.....Please tell me as I need to collect....
A side note........CoachB25 has credentials and credibility and is also a stand up guy.....So, what he has to say is very much worth listening to......His stuff is real and comes from the field and classroom.....He is a true student of hitting.....Would be real nice if other coaches were as prudent.....
Why would you insinuate that I'm selling something around here?.....Do you know someone who has bought anything from me?.....Please tell me as I need to collect....
A side note........CoachB25 has credentials and credibility and is also a stand up guy.....So, what he has to say is very much worth listening to......His stuff is real and comes from the field and classroom.....He is a true student of hitting.....Would be real nice if other coaches were as prudent.....
MT07, you should post more often.....Your common sense is a true bright spot around here.....And, your honesty is a welcome addition, also.....Welcome your input anytime...... 
Your tap-dancing again.
Now Doggie,
I have requested source of your infinite wisdom and you are once again, running from the question. Why should I expect any different??
This type of psychlogy does not help your cause because I for one see all the way through it.
See it everyday in a classroom, a real classroom.
Kinda reminds when little Johnny looks like the cat who swallowed the canary....Heard that story?
One more chance Blue, what level do you play or have played and who is the toughest pitcher you have ever faced? Remember this question from LOW in Indiana? OBTW, Ben McDonald would probably be one of the best I faced in professional ranks in actual game.
Shep's Waiting for Decision
Now Doggie,
I have requested source of your infinite wisdom and you are once again, running from the question. Why should I expect any different??
This type of psychlogy does not help your cause because I for one see all the way through it.
See it everyday in a classroom, a real classroom.
Kinda reminds when little Johnny looks like the cat who swallowed the canary....Heard that story?
One more chance Blue, what level do you play or have played and who is the toughest pitcher you have ever faced? Remember this question from LOW in Indiana? OBTW, Ben McDonald would probably be one of the best I faced in professional ranks in actual game.
Shep's Waiting for Decision
quote:Swingbuster is telling me that he knows from teaching experience and I don't.....Yet, he doesn't have a clue how any
BD,
Dont think I said that. I said that you know from teaching that any set of cues can fail.
I don't find the statement that players rotate into toe touch that helpful to kids....even if it is true. I will look at Steves stuff soon and maybe I will have a better concept of if and how to use those facts
Mine are:
Justin Thompson in HS
Keith Foulke in and intrasquad in college
Justin Thompson in HS
Keith Foulke in and intrasquad in college
Feels like a Mexican standoff>
Come on Blue>
Respond
Shep
Come on Blue>
Respond
Shep
Swingbuster, I've always known you to be a stand up guy, also....I still believe you are.... 
I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Just needed to clear up a few things about rotation in the swing.....Seems it gets clear as muddy water to most....
I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Just needed to clear up a few things about rotation in the swing.....Seems it gets clear as muddy water to most....
quote:I don't find the statement that players rotate into toe touch that helpful to kids....
Swing, I agree it's not important to tell them to do so, but, if they aren't doing it, they aren't using their middle properly......It's something to look for in their swing and make sure it is happening, IMO.......However, they don't have to know they do it....
quote:I'll disappear again as it seems Shep wants the attention back again.....
Don't leave on my account bro, I'm not here for attention but do like to be communicated with in dignified manner as do several others you have banter here with. Respectful towards others is most important attribute a prospect can have...know what I mean Bluedog?
Furthermore, don't put off your condescending comments and attitudes on me pal because I am here to help and not criticize others, especially MLB scouts and proven Div I coaches.
This is not the Highlander. We can all work together for the good of others without the personal attacks and chest puffing. When you back me in a corner, I will remind you who your talking to and why you should listen. Called self-preservation where I come from...
You are probably too advanced for us anyways
Shep Cares
OBTW
You still haven't answered questions from LOW or me....
Until then.....Nothing you say means anything to many of us.
Got any clips you can demonstrate throwing motion or proper hitting mechanics since you been there that should give you great credibility.
Would probably be helpful to many here trying to learn something for their sons or themselves.
Don't you want to share your knowledge in visual manner like on a videoclip?
That should help clear things up for us
Shep
You still haven't answered questions from LOW or me....
Until then.....Nothing you say means anything to many of us.
Got any clips you can demonstrate throwing motion or proper hitting mechanics since you been there that should give you great credibility.
Would probably be helpful to many here trying to learn something for their sons or themselves.
Don't you want to share your knowledge in visual manner like on a videoclip?
That should help clear things up for us
Shep
quote:Aren't some of the better hitting & pitching coaches former players that had lackluster careers or never even made it to the big show. Rudy Jaramillo and Leo Mazzone come to mind as never having played in the majors. Teaching is a quality in itself regardless of personal success. Some have it and some don't.
p.s. also nteresting to note that Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs,
Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick never played on the pro level.
"On two legs, Mickey Mantle would have been the greatest ballplayer who ever lived." - Nellie Fox
MT07,
True, it is not mandatory to have played at the very highest level to be a great coach. However, nobody gets to the top accidently. No one starts at the top!
Mazzone was a professional pitcher for 8 or 9 years. The he managed in the minor leagues. He then became the Atlanta Pitching coach in 1990. He was in professional baseball (pitching and coaching) for 24 years before that. He has been in professional baseball for about 40 years. I would call that some serious experience. FWIW, he is 2 years younger than yours truly!
Jaramillo is recognized as one of the very best hitting instructors in baseball.
He played at U of Texas (college World Series). Played 4 years of professional baseball. Been in pro baseball for 38 years. Last 12 as Rangers hitting coach. That is some serious experience.
Here is something copied from an article:
Jaramillo… "Bonds is a student who never stops learning,"
Jaramillo has developed five keys to help hitters, whether they are 9 or 25: rhythm; see the ball; separate your hands; stay square; shift weight. Essentially it comes down to two key components: Separation and recognition. Or in even simpler terms: See the ball, hit the ball.
By preaching proper separation of the upper and lower body, Jaramillo gets hitters in a better hitting position earlier. It keeps them from lunging for balls and it gives them a fraction of a second more to recognize the pitch. An extra fraction of a second in the big leagues can make all the difference between fouling a ball off or driving it into the gaps.
BlueDog,
Sorry if you're not selling anything. Can't honestly say I've seen you do that.
Who are the very "few" who have the knowledge to teach rotational hitting correctly? Can Jaramillo teach it?
Sorry if you're not selling anything. Can't honestly say I've seen you do that.
Who are the very "few" who have the knowledge to teach rotational hitting correctly? Can Jaramillo teach it?
PG, yours noted sir. However, my point was that you need not succeed or even reach the majors as a player to becomce a top notch coach/instructor as Rudy and Leo never made it to the majors as players yet they are considered the best coaches in their respective fields. I don't question their overall baseball background/experience.
quote:Coach, hardly anyone understands what a rotational swing means, or consists of......And, by that I do mean, hardly anyone.....
This is not true, many understand.
quote:..Nobody on this thread understands rotation in the swing......Alot of off-base statements so far......
Once again, you would be surprised.
This statement is the worst I've seen, so far, but hang on though, it gets better.quote:All I'm saying is that none of you understand rotation in the swing......That's not arrogant, at all......It's just a fact......
Sounds like uncertainty for someone so confidentquote:.....Just like you people think you do......But, I really didn't and neither do any of you......
quote:I understand your way.....You do not understand my way.......
Your saying this to a seasoned veteran who has coached DivI baseball and been involved in pro baseball for over 16 years. Bet cha' didn't know that. Not talking about me either because I only have 15 years pro involvement and coached one year Div I baseball myself.quote:In all due respect to you, I know you don't know what your talking about
YHGTB_KMquote:LOW, fair enough......I am fairly familiar with Mr. Gwynn's hitting beliefs as he presents them.....He was a very good MLB hitter......I don't believe he understands the MLB swing
I am highly suspect of those who put themselves above HOF hitters.... Will let the board decide. Okay board these are Bluedog's quotes on this thread. You can decide because I really have no horse in this race or son, besides I am just borrowing Doggie's oxygen, this is His world-JK LOL
No pun just fun brother BlueDog because I really think your an A+ student-of-the-game but need to work on communication skills just a little
Shep
MT07,
Wasn't arguing... I agree with you completely.
They all have a strong baseball background and lots of experience. The majority of the top coaches did not have successful Major League careers.
Professional baseball coaching, managing, etc. require a lot of sacrifice of time. Most successful ML players have too much money to make those sacrifices.
Wasn't arguing... I agree with you completely.
They all have a strong baseball background and lots of experience. The majority of the top coaches did not have successful Major League careers.
Professional baseball coaching, managing, etc. require a lot of sacrifice of time. Most successful ML players have too much money to make those sacrifices.
Personally I have a problem with a poster such as Bluedog/Linear/Rshard etal who will never answer a question.
I almost get the feeling that once off the internet, where they are totally anonymous and strong in their minds, they are the type that is stuck in that "honey do" mode at home--this is the only place that they can be strong without even realizing how weak they really are---
It has nothing to do with selling anything, it has to do with their ego or actual lack of it in the real world
Read their posts:
They never answer questions
They never talk about their experiences
The bluff their way thru everything
They have told nobody any details about their baseball background
Just the thoughts of a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve and isnt ashamed of it
I almost get the feeling that once off the internet, where they are totally anonymous and strong in their minds, they are the type that is stuck in that "honey do" mode at home--this is the only place that they can be strong without even realizing how weak they really are---
It has nothing to do with selling anything, it has to do with their ego or actual lack of it in the real world
Read their posts:
They never answer questions
They never talk about their experiences
The bluff their way thru everything
They have told nobody any details about their baseball background
Just the thoughts of a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve and isnt ashamed of it
TR
Who is Rshard etal? Surprised I missed him.
Shep
Who is Rshard etal? Surprised I missed him.
Shep
I appreciate every one of you guys and the insight you bring to this board. If everyone agreed all the time it would be boring and what would I learn? I've learned a lot from Bluedog and Linear because they brought different beliefs than what I previously had been instructed in.
And to answer the "toughest" question: Mike Madden in Legion ball(pitched with the Mets for a stint)... the lights were horrible and I was praying that they would change the rules to 1 strike and you're out.
College basketball is way ahead of baseball (especially pro) in one aspect. They look for coaches.... not just ex-players. You think Roy Williams couldn't coach at any level of basketball??? They've got lots of guys like that ... baseball is a "good old boy" system if there ever was one.
And to answer the "toughest" question: Mike Madden in Legion ball(pitched with the Mets for a stint)... the lights were horrible and I was praying that they would change the rules to 1 strike and you're out.
College basketball is way ahead of baseball (especially pro) in one aspect. They look for coaches.... not just ex-players. You think Roy Williams couldn't coach at any level of basketball??? They've got lots of guys like that ... baseball is a "good old boy" system if there ever was one.
TrojanSkipper
We also appreciate you sir and your absolutely right about the good ole boy system, absolutely.
Your post touched me for some reason...Thank you
Shep
We also appreciate you sir and your absolutely right about the good ole boy system, absolutely.
Your post touched me for some reason...Thank you
Shep
