"I never stop looking for things to try and make myself better."
Barry Bonds
In my estimation, the best hitter ever.....What he has accomplished is nothing short of amazing, IMO.....
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Good topic - Doggie.
Nice change in subject.
No deal.
We - finally - broke.
Nice change in subject.
No deal.
We - finally - broke.
I'm not ready to give out all my secrets on hitting, but, if you can catch the ball, you can hit it.
Barry Bonds
Interesting quote....
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http://www.recruit.hittingillustrated.com/Bondschase.htm
Barry Bonds
Interesting quote....
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http://www.recruit.hittingillustrated.com/Bondschase.htm
Bonds couldn't shine Babe Ruth's shoes.
Especially Babe Ruth using HGH.
If one excludes the five year's that Ruth was a pitcher and played during the Dead Ball Era, he averaged 42 home runs a year while still having a lifetime average of .342.
Who comes close?
Especially Babe Ruth using HGH.
If one excludes the five year's that Ruth was a pitcher and played during the Dead Ball Era, he averaged 42 home runs a year while still having a lifetime average of .342.
Who comes close?
Hank Aaron said he believes Bonds is a better hitter than Ruth was.......Jack Mckeon says the same and he saw them both play....
Different eras makes it really tough to judge.....They are/were both great....
Different eras makes it really tough to judge.....They are/were both great....
Babe Ruth played from 1914 until 1935.
Hank Aaron was born in 1934.
Jack McKeon was born in 1930.
Neither saw Ruth play in anything resembling cognitive years.
Hank Aaron was born in 1934.
Jack McKeon was born in 1930.
Neither saw Ruth play in anything resembling cognitive years.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Babe Ruth played from 1914 until 1935.
Hank Aaron was born in 1934.
Jack McKeon was born in 1930.
Neither saw Ruth play in anything resembling cognitive years.
Ted Williams was the most productive hitter of all-time, period. Bonds stole his swing, but could never match his numbers.
In career numbers, he doesn't win.
As "the most feared hitter when in his prime" Bonds is the hands down winner.
In the "mechanics" category....Bonds has the greatest swing mechanics of all time.
Not even close.
In the "performance enhancing" category he is the hands down champion also.
As "the most feared hitter when in his prime" Bonds is the hands down winner.
In the "mechanics" category....Bonds has the greatest swing mechanics of all time.
Not even close.
In the "performance enhancing" category he is the hands down champion also.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
In career numbers, he doesn't win.
As "the most feared hitter when in his prime" Bonds is the hands down winner.
In the "mechanics" category....Bonds has the greatest swing mechanics of all time.
Not even close.
In the "performance enhancing" category he is the hands down champion also.
http://www.teachersbilliards.com/Hitzone/BarryTed.gif
It's the SAME MECHANICS!!!
They are very similar in that clip.
Tell me when you ever saw Bonds swing like this...
Bonds takes the mechanics to a new level with his belly up approach. He produces a swing that was quite a bit shorter than Ted's.
Maybe due to the steroids......that the pitchers are on. No one seems to want to talk about that.
And, that is the reason there should be no asterisk.
P.S. tpg are you reading this? You have got to be kidding when you say Bonds squishes the bug. Will you ever study and learn just what these terms and phrases mean prior to giving an uninformed opinion?
Tell me when you ever saw Bonds swing like this...
Bonds takes the mechanics to a new level with his belly up approach. He produces a swing that was quite a bit shorter than Ted's.
Maybe due to the steroids......that the pitchers are on. No one seems to want to talk about that.
And, that is the reason there should be no asterisk.
P.S. tpg are you reading this? You have got to be kidding when you say Bonds squishes the bug. Will you ever study and learn just what these terms and phrases mean prior to giving an uninformed opinion?
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
They are very similar in that clip.
Tell me when you ever saw Bonds swing like this...
Bonds takes the mechanics to a new level with his belly up approach. He produces a swing that was quite a bit shorter than Ted's.
Maybe due to the steroids......that the pitchers are on. No one seems to want to talk about that.
And, that is the reason there should be no asterisk.
P.S. tpg are you reading this? You have got to be kidding when you say Bonds squishes the bug. Will you ever study and learn just what these terms and phrases mean prior to giving an uninformed opinion?
Bonds has hit over .300 11 of his 22 seasons and is a lifetime .298 hitter. Williams hit over .300 18 of 19 seasons and was a .344 lifetime hitter and only struck out 709 times in just over 7700 at bats (pretty good for someone with a long swing), LOL. I don't believe there is a single hitting stat that Bonds is better than him in when you take into consideration per at bat stats. Williams missed 3 years in his prime during the war which would have added 1,500 at bats to his total and would have made him the leader in pretty much every catagory.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
They are very similar in that clip.
Tell me when you ever saw Bonds swing like this...
Bonds takes the mechanics to a new level with his belly up approach. He produces a swing that was quite a bit shorter than Ted's.
Maybe due to the steroids......that the pitchers are on. No one seems to want to talk about that.
And, that is the reason there should be no asterisk.
Williams was always improving his swing. He was the Tiger Woods of baseball. Bonds just stole it when it was at it's best. Why didn't Barry immulate Mays, Aaron, Mantle or even his Daddy???
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Babe Ruth played from 1914 until 1935.
Hank Aaron was born in 1934.
Jack McKeon was born in 1930.
Neither saw Ruth play in anything resembling cognitive years.
This is a great quote!
quote:(pretty good for someone with a long swing),
I've always thought your knowledge was suspect.
I now know the reason why.
Your reading commprehension is very poor.
In that clip Bonds is hitting at a HR derby. That it is not his swing at games, when hitting at 90 plus MPH pitch, his swing is a lot shorter than that one. That's basically the difference on mechanics from old timers and today hitters. Anyways it is very difficult to compare them. I think that if Ruth born again he is going to be as good as Bonds and vice versa. Ex. What could Edison invented, if he were living in our times? What were Estein ideas today?...A great player in the past should be great at our times, and a great player in our times should be great in the past. Excepcionals human beens are excepcionals at any time, but you got to judge them with the knowledge available in their era.
When comparing Bonds with anyone else, just remember this.....Nobody has ever been walked as much as Bonds....
He has been intentionally walked and pitched around enough to be put in a league by himself....He is a feared hitter.....
He has been intentionally walked and pitched around enough to be put in a league by himself....He is a feared hitter.....
I attribute this to a lack of quality pitching.
Good theater, Quincy..... 
Quincy,
Not to be critical or argumentative, but I often hear people say there is a lack of quality pitching in the Major Leagues. Guess, I don’t really agree with that unless it were added that there has “always” been a lack of “enough” quality pitching in the Major Leagues and there probably always will be.
If the pitching were in fact, better in the “old” days, then the hitters were much, much better then, too. A look at lifetime batting averages would be the proof, there are a lot of big lifetime Batting aves against that quality pitching in the past. Would those hitters hit .400 every year if they hit against the pitching now?
Why should we assume that only in baseball the players and athletes have gone backwards. Every sport that actually produces statistics that are comparable shows that records continue to be broken. Examples… all areas of Track and Field, Weight lifting, Swimming, everything involving athletic and sports records continue to improve with each generation. Nobody argues that football or basketball players haven’t continued to improve. Only in baseball does it seem there’s talk about the players/pitchers not getting better, but that they are actually worse than many years ago. This just doesn’t make sense to me.
I do believe that pitching has changed over the years. It does require more of it now days and maybe that’s what you mean. But more of it also means hitters are seeing different pitchers more often. They are often seeing at least three completely different pitchers in most games, rather than just one. They are not seeing a tired arm in the 9th for their 4th or 5th ab against him that game. When did the great hitters of the past have to face a Mariano Rivera or even a Bobby Jenks in the late innings?
If we talk about the pitchers during Bonds career… We find some of the very best who ever lived, by anyone’s standards. Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddox, Roger Clemens, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana, etc. And both leagues are full of great young pitchers, some of which will join those above as hall of fame types.
Whether someone likes Barry Bonds or not is one thing. Maybe it was all steroids, but his swing has changed over the years. It is amazing how short and controlled/consistent his swing is compared to when he first came up. He just takes fewer bad swings than everyone else. He has mastered his swing in my estimation. And I think he has done it against quality major league pitching who often will not pitch to him in certain situations.
Not to be critical or argumentative, but I often hear people say there is a lack of quality pitching in the Major Leagues. Guess, I don’t really agree with that unless it were added that there has “always” been a lack of “enough” quality pitching in the Major Leagues and there probably always will be.
If the pitching were in fact, better in the “old” days, then the hitters were much, much better then, too. A look at lifetime batting averages would be the proof, there are a lot of big lifetime Batting aves against that quality pitching in the past. Would those hitters hit .400 every year if they hit against the pitching now?
Why should we assume that only in baseball the players and athletes have gone backwards. Every sport that actually produces statistics that are comparable shows that records continue to be broken. Examples… all areas of Track and Field, Weight lifting, Swimming, everything involving athletic and sports records continue to improve with each generation. Nobody argues that football or basketball players haven’t continued to improve. Only in baseball does it seem there’s talk about the players/pitchers not getting better, but that they are actually worse than many years ago. This just doesn’t make sense to me.
I do believe that pitching has changed over the years. It does require more of it now days and maybe that’s what you mean. But more of it also means hitters are seeing different pitchers more often. They are often seeing at least three completely different pitchers in most games, rather than just one. They are not seeing a tired arm in the 9th for their 4th or 5th ab against him that game. When did the great hitters of the past have to face a Mariano Rivera or even a Bobby Jenks in the late innings?
If we talk about the pitchers during Bonds career… We find some of the very best who ever lived, by anyone’s standards. Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddox, Roger Clemens, Tom Glavine, Randy Johnson, John Smoltz, Pedro Martinez, Johan Santana, etc. And both leagues are full of great young pitchers, some of which will join those above as hall of fame types.
Whether someone likes Barry Bonds or not is one thing. Maybe it was all steroids, but his swing has changed over the years. It is amazing how short and controlled/consistent his swing is compared to when he first came up. He just takes fewer bad swings than everyone else. He has mastered his swing in my estimation. And I think he has done it against quality major league pitching who often will not pitch to him in certain situations.
I thought Quincy was just joking with that comment......
Ya think he was serious???
Ya think he was serious???
