Baseball @ UNH

Agreed.

100% agreed. All part of the "NH Advantage".

All.........UNH baseball is sorely missed to be sure. It was discontinued when my son was there and was a great disappointment that he wasn't able to play. More importantly, he did get a great education from a fine institution.

I think when Title IX was passed in an effort to make college sports equal for men and women, in theory, it was a very positive thing. However, as a result, it makes it less likely that you can add a single sport for one gender. Schools have to balance the number of scholarships for both men and women, and it's unfortunately not as simple as just having the funds available to UNH to bring back the baseball team. You'd likely have to delete an existing male sport, and make sure that the scholarships were still equitable according to the Title IX ruling. The subject does come up from time to time, but it never goes anywhere due in part to the above. It's a shame.

Get rid of a Men's sport? Do they have S****r there? Seems simple enough.

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Get rid of a Men's sport? Do they have S****r there? Seems simple enough.

By S****r, if you mean what I call "Kickball", I'd be all for it.

Administrators use Title IX as an easy almost politically correct excuse. Baseball is eliminated for financial reasons. Forget scholly's for the time being. 12 s****r games v 50 baseball games - umpires & equipment, travel for single games v weekend series in a location 1 - 5 hours away. no weeklong trip v 10 day southern swing. minimal field maintenance v manicured infield. goal posts and balls v batting cages, bases, fences etc. jmo.

UVM also just cut its baseball program.

I don't care what sport they get rid of as long as they bring back Baseball.They could do away with Hockey if we can have another D-1 baseball team in New Hampshire. Just joking about the hockey thing, thought I better say that before some crazed Hockey fan looks me up and cross checks me at a Baseball game.

Here in New Hampshire this should be a great talking point. We have a thousand AAU programs but only one D1 baseball program which 99% of the high school students in New Hampshire can not get into the college. UNH should have baseball, Union Leader did an article a few years back and created a potential roster for UNH if all the top players who were currently playing D1 ball were to stay in state and go to UNH to play baseball, it was impressive, I believe Wilson, Fuld, Tupman, Klemm among many others were included.

an not to mention Showcase League coach Colin Lynch.

they have a club team there right is there ever any discussion about bringing the team back

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created a potential roster for UNH if all the top players who were currently playing D1 ball were to stay in state and go to UNH to play baseball, it was impressive

Top New England players aren't going to stay in cold weather if there's a warm weather option.

I'll disagree with that, while you won't get all of the best players not everyone is looking to head south or to warm weather, if there were more options.

The best players are not going to stay at UNH to play in cold weather in America East. They're going to head to the ACC or SEC. They would even look at the Big East to get out of the northern NE weather.

Maybe if you had said "In my opinon more of the best players may look to go too..." or "UNH would have a disadvantage going up against ACC or SEC schools based on climate.." that might be a good point. But its pretty ridiculous to think you can speak on behalf of "the best players" and say they "are not going to stay" What do you base this 100% rock solid fact on?

I guess it is impossible to think that a young man growing up in New Hampshire going to UNH games might have a dream of being a Wildcat? Or just ridiculous to think that based purely on location and the fact that UNH would likely be the first to hear of a top freshman or sophomore turning heads and could get them out to camps, clinics, or on campus at no cost at all that they might be able to build some excitement about being a Wildcat?

We should just assume that all the best players in New Hampshire just hate the cold and want to split? Impossible to consider that there might be something to be said for playing close to home in front of family and friends? You're probably right all the best players would leave because it's cold in New Hampshire and a tropical paradise in the ACC, I think I'll head down the road to BC and get some some sun.

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I think I'll head down the road to BC and get some some sun.

The weather is why BC will never be more than an average ACC team. I didn't see Esposito and Casili banging down BC's door over Vanderbilt. The two best recent prospects from Maine (Flaherty and Giobbi) headed for Vanderbilt. A third, Rogers would have gone to Miami if he hadn't signed.

BC attracts second tier New England prospects and third tier warm weather area prospects. Don't use Sanchez as an example. No one in the ACC or SEC other than BC was interested in him coming out of high school. He blossomed in college. I talked with the parent of a kid from down south at a BC game. I asked how he chose BC. The parent told me if he couldn't play down south in the ACC or SEC at least he could play against them.

You don't have to have a chip on your shoulder over New England weather. It is what it is and baseball programs can't change it. They have to deal with it.

We moved from southern California to the Mid-Atlantic area when the kids were little. When my daughter did a couple of college tours in the Boston area during the winter she asked me what the heck I was thinking when I moved the family from California. She played college softball in Florida.

RJM I have to disagree with the statement "Top New England players aren't going to stay in cold weather if there's a warm weather option." Some top players choose to stay in the Northeast because of family situation, financial, Academics, etc even with warm weather options. Sure everyone would love to play for LSU, Florida State, UNC, Rice, etc. but those schools are on a different level. URI, UCONN, BC all had multiple players drafted in 2009 (as high as the 60th pick overall).

Good players will be drafted from wherever they play. The best players will leave cold regions because they can.

I think that TOP NH kids would look to go to an ACC SEC or other larger school over attending UNH if they had the opportunity. BC is a different thing as it is a high academic school and plays in the ACC against top baseball schools. UNH couldn't compete against those schools if the player had the other options (was seen by the bigger schools). A Dylan Clark or Mike Montville or Nate Jones are most likely going to choose a big baseball or warmer weather school (as they did) over the chance to stay near home and play for a local New england school like UNH if it were available.

Now I must say that UNH might keep a TOP kid on occassion by offering 100% scholarships which could sway a kid or two to go to school for free. But thinking that a small Div 1 school in the colder climate could compete with a school from NC (Elon, Wake forest) or even Maryland is kind of pie in the sky thinking. 85% of the time the player will head to the bigger stronger school. course that is just my opinion...

there are many reasons kids go to school. baseball is/should be on the bottom. that being said it is a reason,and whatever keeps them learning is fine with me.

it probably isn't as common as it once was, being a nonqualifier out of high school hinders if not stops some kids from playing in college. so not only doesn't nh have more than one d1 school it doesn't have a jc/cc with a baseball program. last i knew one had a fall season. uconn avery point is a great jc that we don't here to much about here in nh. good baseball and it offers it's graduates a chance to get into uconn.

then there is the new england compact (i think it's called) any state school in ne that offers a major that your state school doesn't, you pay in state tuition. uri push's that point very well. coach Neveret from nashua seems to have players that go there about every year. helps the wallet which is a reason to choose a school.


what all this got to do with warm weather schools? all things being equal, i think given the opportunity to play in a warmer state most would. but rarely are all things equal.

as clynch pointed out if unh had a team, and the players from the last 6 yrs had gone their.....they'd have been pretty good, i think they could have played with anybody.

RJM

I have learned not to speak in absolutes....The Best Players will play where they want beacuse they can and that includes cold weather states....there are many reasons in picking a school....

You and I might choose a warm weather school others may have different reasons...

exactamundo

It all depends on how the individual process works, the kid has a decision to make when it comes to committing/signing time. If he is getting his best offers (money-wise) from schools in the NorthEast then the kid will stay in the NorthEast. If he also is entertaining good offers from southern or "warmer weather" schools, then he's going to be very interested. I'd find it a rarity to see a kid who is getting good offers in the North and the South simultaneously, stay in the North. This definitely leaves the exception of BC because of its conference and the academics.

In that case, if you can find a kid who has just as good of an offer to go south or to stay in the north, I'd like to see it.

Regarding the New England Compact; it does not qualify an out of state student for in state tuition. It does provide a substantial discount. The number of majors it applies to are small. In some cases the discount does not kick in until you are actually enrolled in the school that offers the major. That can mean that you pay full price for two years before the discount kicks in.

If all things are equal and a recruit gets an offer from the North and the South the warm weather climate should win out. Not all things are equal and many factors come into play. To get that offer outside the area includes a family budget that affords the opportunity to travel and get the looks as well as other factors. Hence where the comment all the Top players from the Northeast will go down south is inaccurate. Top players aren't defined by income levels and many of them stay in their home area.

Do people out there really think if UNH had a D1 Program back that they would not be able to field a competative team year in and year out? I feel that they could field a very competative team, not just on NH's talent but talent from all over New England and beyond.