Please close this thread. Within three posts someone will call someone a Nazi. It's an internet rule in political chat rooms.
Teaching Elder posted:Say what you will about Trump, but don't turn around and give BO and free pass on his racial bigotry.
More made-up BS.
Teaching Elder posted:RJM posted:I would rather our president not stand at attention for a picture in front of murderer Che Guevara.
My friend, this is absolutely in line with Mr. Obama's philosophical worldview. The link between Guevara and Black Liberation Theology is not disputed. Put this in to context with Obama's Chicago background (old stomping grounds of the Moorish Science Temple of N.A as well as head quarters for the Nation of Islam) and his involvement in Jeremiah Wright's church, which was BLT in its theology and preaching, and this fits perfectly. Rubio had some pretty enlightening words for Jay-Z about Guevara when the rapper decided to pose with Beyonce in front of CG's picture.
Say what you will about Trump, but don't turn around and give BO and free pass on his racial bigotry.
Agree 100%. All BO action is intentional and calculated.
Teaching Elder posted:RJM posted:I would rather our president not stand at attention for a picture in front of murderer Che Guevara.
My friend, this is absolutely in line with Mr. Obama's philosophical worldview. The link between Guevara and Black Liberation Theology is not disputed. Put this in to context with Obama's Chicago background (old stomping grounds of the Moorish Science Temple of N.A as well as head quarters for the Nation of Islam) and his involvement in Jeremiah Wright's church, which was BLT in its theology and preaching, and this fits perfectly. Rubio had some pretty enlightening words for Jay-Z about Guevara when the rapper decided to pose with Beyonce in front of CG's picture.
Say what you will about Trump, but don't turn around and give BO and free pass on his racial bigotry.
Barry and Michelle are the only real racists!
And yeah, he absolutely staged that photo in front of Che.
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2ndMarDiv posted:Dominik85 posted:luv baseball posted:Marine - everything you say is true IMO. But like the Soviet Union it will soon be a chapter in history and perhaps the next generation of Cuban leadership will embrace the world economy and allow the island to join the 21st century. In the meantime I hope that the people there are not run over in the way you outline - but it is a reasonable fear that it will happen.
Guns - that is some can of worms there. It is much easier to control, abuse and kill unarmed people than if they have guns and can shoot back.
US history is tied to the gun and it started with the King of England trying to limit access to gunpowder to prevent Americans from being dangerous subjects. Turns out he was right about that. If you want to really get the fur flying talk about Gun Control through the lens of Jim Crow.
Every totalitarian government has two things in common - they own the guns and the communications. No thinking American should be surprised that these are Amendments 1 & 2 of the Bill of Rights. Our government is the most potent entity in the history of mankind and anything that abridges either of these freedoms should be viewed very suspiciously.
I believe communism does not work but don't expect everything to get better after communism. Often after such a dictatorship Ends a chaos happens and organized crime and a few rich guys (oligarchs) take over. in russia that happened to some extend and it could happen in China too. in Germany it did not happen but east Germany was integrated into a highly developed Country (but there are still many Problems in east Germany compared to west Germany).
after some time it could get better but I could easily see it getting even worse before it gets better.
also don't Forget that caribean countries don't have it easy anyway. they don't have a lot of natural ressources and the Island Location does not make it easier.
So will a free Cuba become like the USA? or will it be more like Jamaica, Domenican rebublic or even Haiti?
I'm not defending the castro Regime, it is bad and should be gone but other carribean Islands are not exactly doing super great. It will be a Long road for Cuba (and the other carribean Islands too) but I hope they can head into the right direction.
To answer your question YOU need to understand Cubans and Cuban Americans. Cuba was a highly developed country before the communist took over. With a vibrant and highly educated middle class. The medical schools were at par with American medical schools. Cubans had no reason to migrate anywhere until communism. Cuba was never like any other caribbean country, totally different countries and cultures. Yes it will take many years to rebuild the mess the communist created such as the infrastructure, huge problem with the infrastructure. The communist instead of building they pocketed money and enriched themselves . Again I won't name them out of disgust and contempt. Socialism! Really!
Those of you who are nostalgic about the country should go and live in Cuba. Under one condition though you must live as an average Cuban and receive their monthly rations. After couple weeks those buildings and cars everyone talks about will start to reveal themselves as nothing more than the total break down and corruption of a society and exploitation by a corrupt government.
My apologies to all.
My girlfriend is from Venezuela. She hears Bernie Sanders talk and warns people, "Be careful what you ask for. You might get it."
TPM posted:
I heard something that I agree with that Trump said today, we give our enemies too much and our friends too little.
And in the end, all to whom we give stabs us in the back . . . . then asks for more
RJM posted:2ndMarDiv posted:Dominik85 posted:luv baseball posted:Marine - everything you say is true IMO. But like the Soviet Union it will soon be a chapter in history and perhaps the next generation of Cuban leadership will embrace the world economy and allow the island to join the 21st century. In the meantime I hope that the people there are not run over in the way you outline - but it is a reasonable fear that it will happen.
Guns - that is some can of worms there. It is much easier to control, abuse and kill unarmed people than if they have guns and can shoot back.
US history is tied to the gun and it started with the King of England trying to limit access to gunpowder to prevent Americans from being dangerous subjects. Turns out he was right about that. If you want to really get the fur flying talk about Gun Control through the lens of Jim Crow.
Every totalitarian government has two things in common - they own the guns and the communications. No thinking American should be surprised that these are Amendments 1 & 2 of the Bill of Rights. Our government is the most potent entity in the history of mankind and anything that abridges either of these freedoms should be viewed very suspiciously.
I believe communism does not work but don't expect everything to get better after communism. Often after such a dictatorship Ends a chaos happens and organized crime and a few rich guys (oligarchs) take over. in russia that happened to some extend and it could happen in China too. in Germany it did not happen but east Germany was integrated into a highly developed Country (but there are still many Problems in east Germany compared to west Germany).
after some time it could get better but I could easily see it getting even worse before it gets better.
also don't Forget that caribean countries don't have it easy anyway. they don't have a lot of natural ressources and the Island Location does not make it easier.
So will a free Cuba become like the USA? or will it be more like Jamaica, Domenican rebublic or even Haiti?
I'm not defending the castro Regime, it is bad and should be gone but other carribean Islands are not exactly doing super great. It will be a Long road for Cuba (and the other carribean Islands too) but I hope they can head into the right direction.
To answer your question YOU need to understand Cubans and Cuban Americans. Cuba was a highly developed country before the communist took over. With a vibrant and highly educated middle class. The medical schools were at par with American medical schools. Cubans had no reason to migrate anywhere until communism. Cuba was never like any other caribbean country, totally different countries and cultures. Yes it will take many years to rebuild the mess the communist created such as the infrastructure, huge problem with the infrastructure. The communist instead of building they pocketed money and enriched themselves . Again I won't name them out of disgust and contempt. Socialism! Really!
Those of you who are nostalgic about the country should go and live in Cuba. Under one condition though you must live as an average Cuban and receive their monthly rations. After couple weeks those buildings and cars everyone talks about will start to reveal themselves as nothing more than the total break down and corruption of a society and exploitation by a corrupt government.
My apologies to all.
My girlfriend is from Venezuela. She hears Bernie Sanders talk and warns people, "Be careful what you ask for. You might get it."
We already had what Sanders is proposing. It was the greatest economic growth we've ever had.
Anyone that compares that to Venezuela needs to either check their facts or learn the differences between economic systems.
I heard something that I agree with that Trump said today, we give our enemies too much and our friends too little.
A broken clock is at least right twice a day.
NYdad2017 posted:I'd like to see Cuba turn over Joanne Chesimard to the US before we start sending cruise ships and relocating baseball teams.
Thanks NY, forgot about that. She was convicted of killing a Jersey cop. Obama and his staff gave away everything in return for nothing. The truth is they know this and it's exactly what they wanted. We should not be surprised one bit.
2ndMarDiv posted:NYdad2017 posted:I'd like to see Cuba turn over Joanne Chesimard to the US before we start sending cruise ships and relocating baseball teams.
Thanks NY, forgot about that. She was convicted of killing a Jersey cop. Obama and his staff gave away everything in return for nothing. The truth is they know this and it's exactly what they wanted. We should not be surprised one bit.
How many eyerolls can I do for stupid posts like this?
Matt13 posted:2ndMarDiv posted:NYdad2017 posted:I'd like to see Cuba turn over Joanne Chesimard to the US before we start sending cruise ships and relocating baseball teams.
Thanks NY, forgot about that. She was convicted of killing a Jersey cop. Obama and his staff gave away everything in return for nothing. The truth is they know this and it's exactly what they wanted. We should not be surprised one bit.
How many eyerolls can I do for stupid posts like this?
So are you another "blue lives don't matter" person? How about the 17 other police officers that Chesimard and her associates, that also fled to Cuba, are accused of killing?
Maybe the US should welcome back the 70 fugitives from justice that have sought refuge in Cuba.
I hope that negotiations for all of their returns to the US are ongoing.
NYdad2017 posted:Matt13 posted:2ndMarDiv posted:NYdad2017 posted:I'd like to see Cuba turn over Joanne Chesimard to the US before we start sending cruise ships and relocating baseball teams.
Thanks NY, forgot about that. She was convicted of killing a Jersey cop. Obama and his staff gave away everything in return for nothing. The truth is they know this and it's exactly what they wanted. We should not be surprised one bit.
How many eyerolls can I do for stupid posts like this?
So are you another "blue lives don't matter" person? How about the 17 other police officers that Chesimard and her associates, that also fled to Cuba, are accused of killing?
Maybe the US should welcome back the 70 fugitives from justice that have sought refuge in Cuba.
I hope that negotiations for all of their returns to the US are ongoing.
You must be new. At least I hope so, since my law-enforcement background has been discussed here before.