http://www.sj-r.com/sports/201...s-super-nerd-problem
I like his thought process. Interesting read.
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Thanks for posting the article. I got a chuckle out of it. Werth is 39 years old, did he really think their was a player market for his services.
He is absolutely entitled to his opinion about the game, how the front office is changing and how long term deals are made. He should know. I remember when he signed a 7 year deal with the Nats in 2011 for $126M. The problem was he had very little talent around him in 2011 (his nickname was "Werthless") and he had some very rough years at the plate because nobody was protecting him in the lineup. I think Pandora's box has been opened with regard to baseball metrics, front office number crunching and how the game will be played from the front office down to the on field manager. It is going to be about organizational communication & effectiveness down to the players. There is a trend to hire younger managers with a Sabermetrics background but a human touch. We'll see how that works until the next major shift in the game.
As always JMO.
Yes it is. And our numbers are growing while Werth's are diminishing. You can't fight fate.
I'm just a fan and not a sabermetrician or a player, but I suspect like most things, the pendulum will swing one way till someone is successful with a different approach, then it will start to swing another. The only constant in life is change LOL.
It seems like the nerds are the group that is winning. I'm Team Nerd.
Team nerd here!
Lol, sabermetrics was how he got paid $126 million (he did take his walks). The traditional front office (read: Ruben Amaro) didn't want to pay that much for a guy who never drove in 100 runs!
fenwaysouth posted:Thanks for posting the article. I got a chuckle out of it. Werth is 39 years old, did he really think their was a player market for his services.
He is absolutely entitled to his opinion about the game, how the front office is changing and how long term deals are made. He should know. I remember when he signed a 7 year deal with the Nats in 2011 for $126M. The problem was he had very little talent around him in 2011 (his nickname was "Werthless") and he had some very rough years at the plate because nobody was protecting him in the lineup. I think Pandora's box has been opened with regard to baseball metrics, front office number crunching and how the game will be played from the front office down to the on field manager. It is going to be about organizational communication & effectiveness down to the players. There is a trend to hire younger managers with a Sabermetrics background but a human touch. We'll see how that works until the next major shift in the game.
As always JMO.
Not only is Werth 39, he hasn’t had an .800 OPS since 2014.
Nerds rule the world!
Sabermetrics is the present and future but teams now learn that communication is important too. in the first years teams would just throw the stat guys at the baseball people and it often produced conflicts, a baseball lifer is just not taking directions from a nerd. arrogance on both sides (nerds and baseball lifers) existed, that hurt communication.
in the first years the astros experimented with extreme shifts it caused a lot of clubhouse issues. because of this the astros got some baseball people with some stat understanding to communicate it to the baseball people and it worked out very well.
IMO the future is hiring baseball guys with some stat understanding to communicate the stuff, no big company lets IT and math guys talk to normal people
. (I'm a certified SQL developer so I can say that)
I saw a recent interview that rang true to me as far as how sabermetrics/advanced stats will be most effectively used...
I don't recall specific dialog but the basic message was that coaches would take ten, maybe twenty pages of data and reduce it to a 5x7 index card of notes to share with the players.
stats to a point.... nerds in baseball ..... no doubt.... 2018 met a GM from a team in LA .... nerdo
Those nerds definitely played the sport. Spots are limited yet the pay is not good. They could make way more money elsewhere but choose to work in baseball for love of the sport.
Sabermetrics = never ending rabbit hole of information. Still love reseaching it. "I'm kind of nerd-ish".
Loved JW when he played for the Phils. He was always very quiet and didn't give many interviews, much like Utley. Not surprising that he doesn't like the 'nerds'. It is interesting that he was going to play in Seattle where my son's college teammate is part of the 'Marinerds'.
Dominik85 posted:Sabermetrics is the present and future but teams now learn that communication is important too. in the first years teams would just throw the stat guys at the baseball people and it often produced conflicts, a baseball lifer is just not taking directions from a nerd. arrogance on both sides (nerds and baseball lifers) existed, that hurt communication.
in the first years the astros experimented with extreme shifts it caused a lot of clubhouse issues. because of this the astros got some baseball people with some stat understanding to communicate it to the baseball people and it worked out very well.
IMO the future is hiring baseball guys with some stat understanding to communicate the stuff, no big company lets IT and math guys talk to normal people
The Astros also turned over a lot of staff that weren't agreeing with Luhnow's methods.
You can't see the pitcher in the video but he's clearly a super-nerd: