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This is a hypothetical that I came across on answering a question about when the run counts on a bases loaded walk.  As a runner is only protected to the base and not past the base on a walk is it possible to get an out and negate the run?  Since the ball is live ball and if there were already two outs, and the runner from 3rd took their time getting to home could you tag out a runner that has gone past the base (like hitting the base and taking a step or two towards the next base) before the 3rd base runner scores?  Would that negate the run or is the runner from 3rd guaranteed the base?  As the runner is only protected from being put out, if the 3rd out happens before the runner crosses home, I think the run should not count.

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Interesting scenario.  I count the run.

9.1.1  A runner scores one run when they legally advance to 1 2 3 H before 3 outs.

EXCEPTION:  A Run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the 3rd out is made as follows...

a. by the batter runner before the batter runner touches first base.

Before being the operative word - and since the batter runner reached first this exception does not apply. 

Since the out was made after the batter runner reached first, the runner from third advances home.  I do not see this as a timed play.

Would be interesting to hear others opinions.

Wanted to confirm a situation - was not called during a recent game but I have been told it would have ended the inning instead of allowing for a walkoff.

Bases loaded two outs.  Batter ropes a ball into the gap.  Runner on 3B runs home - batter touches first.  Opposing Coach claims runner on 1B did not touch 2B and had the ball thrown into 2B - argued for a force out - third out inning over no score.  Thoughts. 

"Bases loaded two outs.  Batter ropes a ball into the gap.  Runner on 3B runs home - batter touches first.  Opposing Coach claims runner on 1B did not touch 2B and had the ball thrown into 2B - argued for a force out - third out inning over no score.  Thoughts."

Yes - that scenario is specified in the rule - 9.1.d     No Score

A runner scores each time they legally advance to 1 2 3 H ...  Except

d. when a 3rd out is declared during a play from a valid defensive appeal which results in a force out (this takes precedence if the enforcement of it would negate a score)

Take it a step further ... say all runners legally touch the next base on the hit ... but runner from 1st after touching 2nd misses 3rd and advances home.  If that is appealed, all the runners that legally crossed before him would count as that appeal is not a force play appeal.

"Interesting scenario.  I count the run.

9.1.1  A runner scores one run when they legally advance to 1 2 3 H before 3 outs."

But in this situation the runner did not touch home prior to the 3rd out.  Would it not be similar to a runner trying to score from 1st base on a potential double and the batter/runner getting thrown out at 2nd prior to the runner crossing the plate?  In that situation there would be no run scored there. 

So in the situation I described initially the same thing happens, batter/runner is tagged out prior to the runner crossing home.  I guess what I am asking is does the run count anyway as the runner on 3rd was protected to the base.  But since the 3rd base runner was not put out then that protection was not violated.  I still think that the run does not count, or at least should not count

The exception is the important part of this rule as I see it.   Since the out was made after batter/runner reached first the run scores.

FYI - new to NFHS rules (last year or two), a batter/runner is protected when overrunning first on a walk - same as an overrun on a batted ball.

EXCEPTION:  A Run is not scored if the runner advances to home plate during action in which the 3rd out is made as follows...

a. by the batter runner before the batter runner touches first base.

Thanks for the info.

I saw that the rule had changed, that is why I added the "(like hitting the base and taking a step or two towards the next base)" part rather than just the overrun.

I understand the exception, but I still do not get how you have the runner from 3rd scoring a run when the 3rd out was made prior to the runner crossing the plate.

"Since the out was made after batter/runner reached first the run scores."

The 3rd out was made while the runner was on their way to the plate, not after the runner had crossed the plate, there was no run to count until after the B/R was tagged out ending the inning.  So how do you count that run?  That is the rule I am looking for to see if somehow because of the walk they still get to score.

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