And please keep in mind that this is the same knucklehead that said if you are getting good grades - you are probably not working hard enough at the game of baseball. LOL
Moronic statement IMO.
Caveat emptor.
quote:But if a group of people get together, form a corporation and call it...umm...I don't know, "Perfect Game" decide to set up tournaments and/or showcases, charge a fee, publicize the tournaments all over the internet and baseball magazines [baseball america], mask the tournament as if it is open to everyone, but have super-duper-select teams compete where just by coincidence, these teams are all composed of some the best players in this country and others, not only is that okay the idea is encouraged. An argument could be made that "Perfect Game" is nothing more than a "legal" alternative to marketing players.
newagent,
I don't think you were trying to cut us (PG) down, and you were just using us as an example to make a point, but if I may...
Just as a correction. We don't and have never masked anything as if it were open to everyone unless it is an event that is open to everyone.
We do not pay for advertising anywhere. We donate to worthwhile things like this website, The Lions Tournament, The Heart Association, Childrens Hospitals, and many other things. We have "never" asked anyone to advertise what we do. The only real advertising is on our site. I really don't even like talking about PG on here, but sometimes feel its necessary. You will never see our events listed here (not by us anyway) or asking for players to attend any events. We don't even advertise our site on here. The whole banner thing is not our idea and it is not the reason we try to help the site.
IMO... I'd like to think we are more than a legal alternative to market players, but if not I could live with that. I can understand why you might say that.
You yourself have questioned the ethics of those involved in your business and stated you wanted to be different. So why would you take exception to anyone who "dares" questioning the integrity of an agent. Why is it that you can question their integrity, yet a tournament director can't?
BTW, I have to laugh when I see "my space", "yahoo" and "google" included in any sentence that includes Perfect Game. I've never been motivated by money or we might be in your business now. We don't charge a dime if anyone wants advice and we have experienced and been involved with more kids getting drafted and going to college than most anyone. Furthermore we work very closely with the decision makers (both college and pro) and we work closely with most of the big suppliers. Our group of people include former Major League players and scouts. A former MLB Manager, former MLB front office people, former college players, even people who have been agents, etc. I'm pretty certain we would be very successful and good as advisors, if money were the goal!
We don't charge anyone to give advice, we give it freely every day. So when you go out and start doing tournaments and other events for free, we will be even. I think you'll find what you do takes a lot less effort and costs a lot less money.
Anyway, I admire your intent of helping to clean up your industry, if that is true. Hopefully you will become one of the good ones.
Personally I am past caring who spends any money on Perfect Game. I'm much more interested in our reputation than the bottom line. You can believe that or not.
So as this doesn't sound like a complete disregard for sports agents and advisors... The truth is that the real good ones would agree with me 100%. I know, because we know most of the real good ones. At least those who have been around for awhile. We have even argued with some of them who might think we would not like them, but we still respect them. Some might not even know we respect them, but we learn from the players and no one knows more players than we do. It's simple... It's all about being honest. Not Perfect, not always right, but honest! It's actually very easy!
Sorry for being so paranoid.
PG,
Just my opinion, but I disagree with you on newagent's intent in the passage you just quoted.
Perhaps it is just his bogus logic - or naivete - or ego.
Regardless - I prefer to read it literally.
The literal interpretation - IMO - is not very encouraging.
Just my opinion, but I disagree with you on newagent's intent in the passage you just quoted.
Perhaps it is just his bogus logic - or naivete - or ego.
Regardless - I prefer to read it literally.
The literal interpretation - IMO - is not very encouraging.
PG:
I think PG provides a valuable asset to the young baseball player. In fact, I have nothing but glowing reviews of your programs. What PG in effect has done is centralized the recruiting process. Your resources actually allow for a detailed and objective projection of the ballplayer. I remember speaking to one father about PG. He said, he liked PG. His only criticism was the rating system. Apparently once you are given a rating, it is hard to increase your score. Although he disgareed, he both understood and accepted why this was done. He also expressed his appreciation at how willing the people at PG were to speak to him and his son about it. In the end he found the experience both rewarding and worthwhile. What I am getting at is that I find encourage showcases such as PG. I just find the role of PG and the Agent similar. Therefore, I personally think the Agent's role should not be so limiting.
As for other people on this site: I know that just hearing the word "agent" evokes serious emotion. In fact, I know just the mere mention of the word will lead people to post ridiculous comments without any facts to support them. I also know that some people lump all agents as one. As a result they feel compelled to post rude and unsolicited personal attacks. My other profession lends itself to these attacks as well. I accept that some people need to let off some steam while at the same time displaying their penchant for ignorance. In my experience, their ignorance and intolerance begins to irritate others. I also know that they are not worthy of a response as their ignorance eventually results in their own self-imposed silence. In the meantime, I will never be intimidated by the ignorant or back down to the cyber-bully.
I think PG provides a valuable asset to the young baseball player. In fact, I have nothing but glowing reviews of your programs. What PG in effect has done is centralized the recruiting process. Your resources actually allow for a detailed and objective projection of the ballplayer. I remember speaking to one father about PG. He said, he liked PG. His only criticism was the rating system. Apparently once you are given a rating, it is hard to increase your score. Although he disgareed, he both understood and accepted why this was done. He also expressed his appreciation at how willing the people at PG were to speak to him and his son about it. In the end he found the experience both rewarding and worthwhile. What I am getting at is that I find encourage showcases such as PG. I just find the role of PG and the Agent similar. Therefore, I personally think the Agent's role should not be so limiting.
As for other people on this site: I know that just hearing the word "agent" evokes serious emotion. In fact, I know just the mere mention of the word will lead people to post ridiculous comments without any facts to support them. I also know that some people lump all agents as one. As a result they feel compelled to post rude and unsolicited personal attacks. My other profession lends itself to these attacks as well. I accept that some people need to let off some steam while at the same time displaying their penchant for ignorance. In my experience, their ignorance and intolerance begins to irritate others. I also know that they are not worthy of a response as their ignorance eventually results in their own self-imposed silence. In the meantime, I will never be intimidated by the ignorant or back down to the cyber-bully.
PG:
I forgot. I was not trying to cut you down. I was merely drawing the analogy to what the role of PG is and the role of the agent. My hope was to show the similarities between the two.
I forgot. I was not trying to cut you down. I was merely drawing the analogy to what the role of PG is and the role of the agent. My hope was to show the similarities between the two.
I like the team approach.
Hire a lawyer for the legalese.
Hire a CPA
and Investment guy to handle the money and taxes(maybe I need to enhance my chosen career duties).
Hire a laundry service
Hire a cook and cleaning staff
Hire a PR guy
Hire a chauffer
Get a personal secretary
Worry only about raking the baseball
Hire a lawyer for the legalese.
Hire a CPA
and Investment guy to handle the money and taxes(maybe I need to enhance my chosen career duties).Hire a laundry service
Hire a cook and cleaning staff
Hire a PR guy
Hire a chauffer
Get a personal secretary
Worry only about raking the baseball
quote:Originally posted by newagent:
PG:
I forgot. I was not trying to cut you down. I was merely drawing the analogy to what the role of PG is and the role of the agent. My hope was to show the similarities between the two.
I think you failed - miserably.
As for agents - I like the one my son has. In fact - I know a bunch of them that I like.
As for calling people with opposing views ignorant - That is rude and insulting.
You see - some people may just think you made idiotic comments. Thats all.
LOL
Failure is in the eyes of the beholder.
1. PG did not interpret it that way
2. You need to read the postings more carefully. I did not call people who opposed my views as ignorant, just people who chose to post rude and unsolicited personal attacks.
3 There is nothing funny about being ignorant.
1. PG did not interpret it that way
2. You need to read the postings more carefully. I did not call people who opposed my views as ignorant, just people who chose to post rude and unsolicited personal attacks.
3 There is nothing funny about being ignorant.
This is a little off-topic, but I just want to comment on the sponsor banner issue that was mentioned above.
Perfect Game has always been the number one donor to this website and the number one reason that I can donate my time and keep it free to all visitors and members. I took over the site in June of 2005, and about 6 months later I asked PGStaff (Jerry) if I could put a banner up to recognize their support. He said no, he preferred not to. But as we continued to grow and I accepted some sponsors who did wish to place ads, I asked several times more if I could put up a banner for Perfect Game. It didn't seem right for the main sponsor of our website to be unrecognized for their support while other sponsors (much appreciated but at a different level), were quite visible.
Jerry finally permitted me to add a banner later in 2006, but left it up to me what to put on it. Perfect Game has never contacted me and said "Please add this information to the banner." In fact, I've seen Jerry contact posters a few times when he felt that they appeared to be "advertising" PG events and he didn't want to do that on our site.
This information will not surprise most people who really know Perfect Game, but I just wanted to share it for any of you who don't know them as well.
Julie
Perfect Game has always been the number one donor to this website and the number one reason that I can donate my time and keep it free to all visitors and members. I took over the site in June of 2005, and about 6 months later I asked PGStaff (Jerry) if I could put a banner up to recognize their support. He said no, he preferred not to. But as we continued to grow and I accepted some sponsors who did wish to place ads, I asked several times more if I could put up a banner for Perfect Game. It didn't seem right for the main sponsor of our website to be unrecognized for their support while other sponsors (much appreciated but at a different level), were quite visible.
Jerry finally permitted me to add a banner later in 2006, but left it up to me what to put on it. Perfect Game has never contacted me and said "Please add this information to the banner." In fact, I've seen Jerry contact posters a few times when he felt that they appeared to be "advertising" PG events and he didn't want to do that on our site.
This information will not surprise most people who really know Perfect Game, but I just wanted to share it for any of you who don't know them as well.
Julie
My position is that PG is a valuable tool that allows everybody who has a job that is in some manner connected to baseball easier. I also believe in a free market. With that said, I think whether it is a website, showcase, or agent I just think everyone should be allowed to participate. That has been my message all along. And I for one don't appreciate anyone who asserts a position on my behalf that I have never...ever...posited.
Newagent...no one has to do that. You do one heck of a job doing that (asserts a position) yourself.
quote:Originally posted by newagent:
Failure is in the eyes of the beholder.
1. PG did not interpret it that way
2. You need to read the postings more carefully. I did not call people who opposed my views as ignorant, just people who chose to post rude and unsolicited personal attacks.
3 There is nothing funny about being ignorant.
I think - perhaps - you need to read more carefully.
I disagree with PG - I interpreted it exactly as I said.
What does PG's interpretation have to do with my interpretation?
And yes - you do call people who dont agree with you ignorant. In fact I think you just did it again. LOL
Let me repeat - your statement - suggesting that players that get good grades are not working hard enough at the game of baseball - may be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this website.
That - is another one of my interpretations.
quote:Originally posted by itsinthegame:
Oldslugger,
This is what you get when you inject a lawyer - into the game of baseball.
LOL
With all due respect, the above is the dumbest thing you ever wrote or read. And unlike you I will provide facts in support of my position:
First Commission of Baseball - Lawyer
Reason Curt Flood was able to be a free Agent - Lawyer
Donald Fehr - Lawyer
Tony LaRusa - Lawyer (Florida BAr)
Donald Fehr.
Now there is one super guy!
LOL
I think you may have just proved my point - unwittingly.
Now there is one super guy!
LOL
I think you may have just proved my point - unwittingly.
