Bells and whistles....

CoachB25, I don't compare swings of hitters up next to other players.....

I'm looking for momentum, stretch and weight shift....There is more than one pattern to accomplish these things....I see several different patterns in MLB hitters....

I do show the pattern I use in my swing....But, only to show what momentum, stretch and weight shift looks like....

Yes, I understand that. You are probably aware of what picture I posted and why as well.

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I believe the reason Bonds is so good is that he can get his hands into connection and then has an amazing ability to control disconnection.

And maybe the JUICE, helps him just a little.

My guy tries to keep his hands in sync with his back hip as it fires forward, linking the two to get the most out of his momentum. What do you guys think of that approach?

I don't use any analysis software. I do believe I have one upgrade of V1 Sports, but not the really expensive version.

My camera can take either 60 FPS or 30 FPS on an SD Card (no need to import and deinterlace) and I mix it up because there are so many good clips out there at either speed. It's important to use both speeds I think. It's so easy to use gifs for a side by sides I don't bother buying a special app.

Now I do think if I had a kid sitting at the PC with me it might be easier to link stuff up and use the mouse to drag back and forth through a sequence. It's a little smoother than using the arrow keys.

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Originally posted by floridafan:
My guy tries to keep his hands in sync with his back hip as it fires forward, linking the two to get the most out of his momentum. What do you guys think of that approach?

Just my 2 cents , but I disagree, imo the back hip movement is the result of torso rotation and does not power the swing. Thats why the back heel is lifted By the swing. But as noted earlier, BlueD disagrees with this.

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Originally posted by Old School79:
And maybe the JUICE, helps him just a little.

Or a LOT

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.....imo the back hip movement is the result of torso rotation and does not power the swing.

Torso rotation is powered somehow....There has to be a source of power...PCR people seem to believe the source is the pelvic muscles....I believe the power source is the glute muscles with the pelvic muscles being very important as they create and hold stretch.....

I don't believe learning to rotate is where it's at....I believe stretch and weight shift is where it's at....

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Originally posted by floridafan:
My guy tries to keep his hands in sync with his back hip as it fires forward, linking the two to get the most out of his momentum. What do you guys think of that approach?

I like it.
Seeing your son's swing a while back would indicate to me he does it pretty darn good.

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Pronk; Ah yes my old comrade, but I would say regardless of their style, with all of these guys the as barrel is going into the arc down and around that back shoulder the rear hip is firing.

O.k., Good point.
Here's some additional thoughts,(although I think Blue Dog's initial post really says it all);

Hitters go about "gathering" themselves differently.
Initial movement has similar traits but different "looks".

Real life Examples;
I have an 11 yr old that does a "step back" (tap back) before striding forward.
Another kid has a higher knee.
Another simply moves out / strides while "hovering" the stride foot just above the ground.

These "traits" were developed by demonstrating basic movements and then the kids interpretation manifested itself in 3 different ways to "gather" themselves for the oncoming quick move.
Make sense?

Edited to add:
I guess I was referring to the movement prior to / leading up to launch and that many times instructors will try to change that hitter's way of going about creating momentum /stretch/ by having them do it ONE WAY, which can affect the way they ultimately arc and fire.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Torso rotation is powered somehow..

I believe the torso is powered by the abdominals after hip shoulder seperation ( stretch ). Then continued rotation of the hips is just following the torso.

There was a time when I believed that, also....

Then, I learned the upper abs are controlled by the glutes....

When you see the back hip fire, the glutes are firing....The hands hold back the upper abs for a slight bit creating that last bit of stretch.......Then, the hands release the upper abs and assist with power themselves....

The way I see it, anyway...Not that I know....

I agree Lclifton that making giant changes is not where you want to go. Though I am forced to admit if I see a kid with the lead upper arm out and away from the body, I might put them through a drill to show that they will get there at some point but starting there I don't like too much. I wouldn't want to change back elbow height too much either so I agree with Bluedog too.

If there is a minor adjustment such as delaying load a little (just an example) we might try it out.

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Originally posted by BlueDog:
The way I see it, anyway..

I'll have to keep an eye on it next time Im at the cages.

Bluedog

You background to offer this "knowledge" of the body and how it works?

I doubt you will give it