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Who do you think the best pitcher of all time?
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I know this is for "players only". I'm old now, but I used to play, if that counts.

Kevin,
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Greg Maddux-hate the guy-but he has done so much with so little talent


I understand the "done so much" part, but I'm totally confused by the "with so little talent" part.

Greg Maddux has not only one over 300 games, 4 Cy Young's, but he has been awarded the "Golden Glove" as the best fielding pitcher more than any active pitcher. When he signed out of high school he was a power pitcher, up to 94 mph. He learned and had the talent to figure out how to win "BIG" in the Big Leagues. Plus he was not the tall, big, prototype RHP.

Don't take this the wrong way, but how do you determine talent? OR lack of it?

In my estimation Greg Maddux is one of the most "talented" pitchers in history.

I did notice you mentioned him as your pick for the best. That's a pretty good choice.
Walter Johnson: 417 wins. That's more than Clemens will ever have, and Johnson played on some MISERABlE Senators teams.

Bob Feller: If he hadn't gotten hurt, (and I think he missed time while in the military), he would probably top all of our lists. I read that he could throw 109 MPH. That's insane.

Christy Matthewson: 3 World Series shutouts in 6 days. That's gotta make hime one of the greatest clutch pitchers EVER. He also was a huge contributor to McGraw's early Giants dynasty. He also picked up baseball's reputation by being the original 'Nice Guy' ballplayer.

These 3 have got to have excellent claims to 'Best Ever' certainly more so than Clemens, Seaver, Ryan, Maddux, Martinez, or.......Peavy Confused

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