Increases in what? Infections? What did you think would happen with opening and more testing? Hospitalization and death rates are down or at worse flat across FL. Heck, even the daily positives are pretty much flat.

 While we know that  much older people are at a greater risk of developing more severe symptoms, as of today, the group leading in cases in Florida is 45-54, which also is the leading age group in population in Florida.  The next group after that is 55-64. There was a spike in cases yesterday.

Ron DeSantis has declared that the state cannot afford ramped up testing, and although he has opened our state for athletic activities, he now says that he leaves it up to counties and cities for enforcement.

Just an FYI.

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@Pedaldad posted:


My grandmother died a four years ago.  I was at Lakepoint with my son.   Planned on flying out of Atlanta to Ohio to see my grandma.   She called me and said,  “don’t come, life is for the living.  You stay there and live your life.   I lived mine.”   She knew how to  do it.

Not everyone has your take on life/death.  My grandmother knew what were the valuable moments in life, And she didn’t consider her death to be one.  She definitely didn’t consider it more important than my son’s baseball tournament.

Shame on you for not subscribing to someone else's system of: beliefs, values, opinions, or reality....You're either ignorant, intolerant, or just flat out racist!  

@TPM posted:

 While we know that  much older people are at a greater risk of developing more severe symptoms, as of today, the group leading in cases in Florida is 45-54, which also is the leading age group in population in Florida.  The next group after that is 55-64. There was a spike in cases yesterday.

Ron DeSantis has declared that the state cannot afford ramped up testing, and although he has opened our state for athletic activities, he now says that he leaves it up to counties and cities for enforcement.

Just an FYI.

A spike in cases or in that one demographic? There are spikes every 3-4 days due to large data dumps. You can look at the historical trend and see this and it has been discussed many times before. If tomorrow and the next day show similar numbers, then it should be a cause for concern. Either way, an increase in daily cases is and should be expected with having people resuming some activities. The fact that there hasn't been a significant is a great sign.

I saw his press conference where he lifted restrictions but left it up to the locals to decide if they are ready. It was a great decision to leave it up to the local leaders rather than try to put out a blanket policy. He also recommended people talk to their doctors to make sure they don't fall into a higher risk group before engaging in youth activities.

@Iowamom23 posted:

It's all part of what the email to parents called a "pilot program involving research and the Department of Intercollegiate Athletics to test health and safety protocols in a phased return to campus."

Wow, that's really interesting.  So they literally are using the athletes as guinea pigs, and telling them as much. 

Instead of posturing and making belligerant statements about "values," this is what is needed - actual experiments and data.  I'm glad that these athletes are willing to participate (not that they really have a choice).  2 hair stylists in St. Louis, with symptoms but wearing masks, expose 140 people.  I hope that someone is carefully following up on those people - maybe they will get some useful information about masks out of it.  It's not even June yet, there will be plenty of new information by July, about all sorts of things.

My post wasn't negative. I was giving stats on which age group showed a spike in cases. I found it interesting.  

I was not negative about DeSantis. I made a statement he opened the state and allowing counties and officials to make their own decisions.  However, he did say that he was making testing available to everyone, but then said that he can't afford wide spread testing. You can go to a lab, or other site but a doctor's script is necessary. What is needed in FL is the antibody test, but according to Cleveland Clinic, too many positive negatives showing up in too many they have tested.

I had a test, which was made available where I live, but IMO being negative one day doesn't really mean much, agree? 

 

@TPM posted:

My post wasn't negative. I was giving stats on which age group showed a spike in cases. I found it interesting.  

I was not negative about DeSantis. I made a statement he opened the state and allowing counties and officials to make their own decisions.  However, he did say that he was making testing available to everyone, but then said that he can't afford wide spread testing. You can go to a lab, or other site but a doctor's script is necessary. What is needed in FL is the antibody test, but according to Cleveland Clinic, too many positive negatives showing up in too many they have tested.

I had a test, which was made available where I live, but IMO being negative one day doesn't really mean much, agree? 

 

Sorry, I misinterpreted your post. That demographic is probably the first group of people to go back into offices. You'll probably see a spike in a few days to a week due to the Memorial day festivities going on. 

The testing available to everyone phrase (including nationally) is a farce. Everyone who is showing symptoms can get a test. That's about it. But you are right, anyone can test negative today and catch it tomorrow. At this point I'm not really even sure what testing is going to do. There are a lot of flawed tests that are not providing good data to rely on for decisions. Hospital visits and deaths is pretty much the only thing you can count on.

@DesertDuck posted:

Shame on you for not subscribing to someone else's system of: beliefs, values, opinions, or reality....You're either ignorant, intolerant, or just flat out racist!  

How can you get so much sarcasm out of a water fowl?!? You quack me up ! 

RE testing. If there is no vaccine, and no effective treatment, then eventually workplaces, schools etc. will likely need to adopt a model like the (sorry, if this offends anyone) adult film industry.

LOS ANGELES — As states and employers furiously develop plans to safely reopen workplaces in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, they’re grappling with what seems like an endless list of questions: where to test, who to test, and how often to test for the virus? Further complicating matters are issues of workers’ privacy, geography, politics, science, and cost. It’s a difficult mandate. But there is one place to look for guidance — the adult film industry.

Since the late 1990s, when an outbreak of HIV infections threatened to shutter the multibillion-dollar industry, the mainstream porn community has implemented procedures that require all performers to be tested for HIV and a host of other sexually transmitted infections every 14 days before they can be cleared to work. Any HIV-positive test leads to an immediate shutdown of all U.S. sets, followed by detailed contact tracing before sets can reopen. While not perfect, those in the industry say the nationwide PASS program works to protect thousands of performers, ensures safer workplaces, and curtails the spread of disease..

-- https://www.statnews.com/2020/...pening-amid-covid19/

@infielddad posted:

My Dad was a WWII veteran.

He died just after Xmas in 2006.

i was holding his hand and felt and shared his last breath and his time here was no longer. And I held his hand.

To think those lives and experiences, which Covid too often makes impossible, are being contrasted with “my son’s “ baseball??????

My mom died when I was 12. My older brother years later of AIDS* (he was a successful bar owner in Frisco in the '80's who liked heroin apparently. If they just would have shut down the world he might still be alive). My parents had me later in life so I've watched all my grandparents/aunts/uncles/etc pass away. Dad died within the last year and I was there when he took his last breath. 

I didn't make these rules we live by but, at 58, I have most of them figured out, and rule #1 is we all die (mostly old people). If you have a problem with that maybe you should take it up with your god. And I will not apologize because I think the kid should be able to chase his dreams (said by a 58-year-old slightly overweight man who the coronavirus just might have in its crosshairs).

*That was a terrible death I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

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@TPM posted:

I didn't catch that remark as sarcasm but I am glad that you explained.

Do you think that if states had been better prepared we might not be having this discussion? 

What do you do when your ER, your ICU, your hospital rooms are filled to capacity as well as  corridors,  hallways, no ventilators, when your staff is recycling PPE daily when it's supposed to be after every patient, or you are understaffed because your staff becomes ill.  Not to mention governors are on the phone  day and night begging for equipment.  I am not putting the blame on anyone because, THEY JUST DID NOT KNOW!  And neither did  government healthcare systems that were overwhelmed such as Medicare, Medicaid.  Do you know their protocols?  

Actually, because of  what has happened, governors, state representatives, county and city officials, CDC, OSHA, NCAA, conference officials, university Board of Directors, university Presidents,  professors, athletic departments, coaches etc. are working around the clock on a plan, that has to be approved, so that it will be safe when and if every student arrives on campus.  Yes, we know Texas is allowing schools to open up, but there aren't a lot of guarantees. It will be interesting to see how states fair in the next few weeks.

Do not assume that all is well. There is much to be done so that your son and others can go play baseball, maybe, next spring. Also do not assume baseball will be played at all, as this is a step by step roll out.  

As a parent, what are you doing with your son to protect the universities staff or his coaches, other teammates?

What is happening at VA hospitals should be disturbing  and unexcusable to each and every one of us. 

I dont mean to get on you but we should all be in this together, we should be caring  and respectful of each other.  

 

by caring and respectful you mean we should agree with you correct?

if there is a different opinion that values the macro world over the micro life count that is unacceptable correct? 

@old_school posted:

by caring and respectful you mean we should agree with you correct?

if there is a different opinion that values the macro world over the micro life count that is unacceptable correct? 

Hey man, that post was made 5 days ago, where ya been?  

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LOL I tried to check out of the world for a week, I worked a few hours in the morning and played golf everyday. Then I took a 4 day weekend. 

 

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