Bonds is a Joke!! Mays, Aaron on Steriods.

How do steroids help endurance and reaction time?

LATEBLOOMER

The man has not been found guilty of anything

One still has to hit the ball !!!!! And that aint easy for anyone!!!

Do they also help you see the ball as clearly as Bonds obviously does? And do they improve eye-hand coordination?

700 bombs is no joke. His .370 BA is serious too. Don't be shocked when he goes to the AL to DH in two or three years and hits a hundred more before he hangs 'em up at 47 or 48 years old. I'm guessing peeen stripes for Barry.

Bonds is a great player no doubt. they talk about the steroid rumors etc etc etc but I wonder if Mays Ruth AAron and company would have benefitted by wearing armor on their arms as Bonds does. I know in my playing days I would have hung in there a little more with that protection. Any thoughts.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
LATEBLOOMER

The man has not been found guilty of anything

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Neither was OJ!

Does anyone here believe that steroids don't make you bigger and stronger?

Does anyone here believe that being bigger and stronger doesn't help you hit?

Does anyone still believe Bonds didn't do roids?

Another question although not as obvious as the other three, "Does anyone believe OJ didn't do it"?

No Bonds hasn't been convicted of anything. Then again how did those extemely talented but getting a bit long in the tooth BALCO clients do in the Olympics now that the IOC is testing for THG? I think if using the steroids Bonds may have used were a crime at the time a criminal jury would have to acquit given the current "evidence". A civil jury would probably find against him. Beyond a reasonable doubt - no. A preponderance of the evidence - yes.

It's obvious the originator of this thread never played above a slow pitch softball game.

Suspicion is not evidence...
Accusation is not evidence...
Slander is not evidence...

Consistency across a long career of excellence is evidence...

Who carries the heavier weight of preponderance, Bonds does...

Any decent lawyer could use his stats to get him off any silly accusation...and a good coach could explain his increase in hitting prowess.

But if you don't like Bonds for other reasons beside he's not on your team, then nothing anyone says will convince you of the man's greatness.

Personality is not the criteria to play MLB baseball...might be to run for political office. But based on the stiff that is running that can't throw a baseball you don't even need that to run for president.

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Originally posted by SBK:
Does anyone here believe that steroids don't make you bigger and stronger?

Does anyone here believe that being bigger and stronger doesn't help you hit?

Does anyone still believe Bonds didn't do roids?

Another question although not as obvious as the other three, "Does anyone believe OJ didn't do it"?

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AND Bond's home run record will always be tainted. There will need to be PRE-roids records as well as POST-roids records:
Maris/Ruth/Aaron vs Bonds/Bonds/Bonds

If ANYBODY believes that bonds has NOT taken roids, you are nuts! BUT, he will still go down as one of the greatest of all time. Have the roids allowed him to hit the ball farther? Maybe. But he still has to see the ball and hit it and no drug can make you do that any better.

PiC

Question:

How does a 40 year old cath up to a high 95mph fastball?

Answer:

Steriods


P.S. Played NYC H.S. Baseball 3 City Championships, and Scholarship to D1. If I took steriods it would have been Major D1

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Does anyone here believe that being bigger and stronger doesn't help you hit?

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Yes.

It may help with distance, but it doesn't help you make contact.
Examples:
Ichiro Suzuki 5'9" 160lbs. .328 BA (career through 2003)
Tony Gwynn 5'11" 199 .338
Mickey Mantle 5'11" 198 .298
Willie Mays 5'11" 180 .303

Soriano (.280 this year with 28 HR) weighs about 180 lbs. and Roberto Clemente (.317) tipped the scales at all of 175.

Bloomer, the answer:Practice, practice, practice, focus, concentration, experience, his teacher/father Bobby, and teacher/godfather Willy Mays!

I don't know what Bonds may or may not have taken, I have my suspicions like anyone else, but an interesting point that has been overlooked is what old time greats might have done with the pharmaceuticals available today.

From the limited medical literature I have read about steroid use, the gains are short term with major long term complications.

Would Mays have been even greaters after 40?
Would Aaron have hit 900 dingers?
Could Joe D or Mantle come back from those leg problems?

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Originally posted by 08catcher:
If ANYBODY believes that bonds has NOT taken roids, you are nuts! BUT, he will still go down as one of the greatest of all time. Have the roids allowed him to hit the ball farther? Maybe. But he still has to see the ball and hit it and no drug can make you do that any better.

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True, but he is not entitled to the records. MLB should of had the rules in place to protect the integrity of the game. They made a bold statement with Rose and gambling but took no hard steps with drugs. Does a crimnal on drugs pull the trigger any quicker and more accurately when on roids...probably, does he need good hand and eye coordiantion to hit the target...probably. Does he need to pay the penalty for the crime...not if you're an MLB baseball player...

Chicks
Baseball proved that Rose bet on games. Thus, he's banned.

What rule has Bonds broken? I'll answer for you, none.

Which investigation by baseball proves he used? None.

If they want to investigate him they should.

Otherwise, it sounds like just so much player hating.

People who categorically say that roids can't help you with making contact are wrong.

Roids help you become stronger. Being stronger in baseball is normally equated to having a faster bat.

Having a faster bat can help you catch up to heat better. You can also wait longer before you start your swing. Both of these we can all agree can attribute to better contact.

My Quote of the day - The better version of Bonds today reminds me of the Bonds of yesterday only on steroids.

Let's look at both sides of this.

Bonds has continued to hit home runs at not much older than Aaron so far. Aaron was 39 when he had his best year in terms of home runs per at bat. He dropped off pretty rapidly after that. It makes sense that with better training Bonds could continue to produce at a greater age.

On the other side is Bond's significant increase in home run production per at bat beginning in 2000 and continuing through this season. The increase in production seems to have occurred in the same time frame as his alleged involvement with BALCO.