Bonds retiring after 06 season!

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Originally posted by TRhit:
HAKKO

FACT: very few great hitters were denied the HOF because of poor fielding

The greatest all around OF I have ever seen, bar none,is Willie Mays,

TRhit

FACT: I never said or even insinuated Bonds did not deserve to be in the HOF.

FACT: I never denied that he wasn't one of the best, if not the best power hitters of all time.

FACT: The only argument I made was that I don't hink Bonds is the best player (or outfielder) to ever play the game.

I'm a heck of a lot more concerned about my kids being influenced by their peers rather than Barry Bonds. If your kid is going to be a 'victim' of steroid abuse - or any drug abuse, sexually transmitted desease, alcohol poisoning or addiction, violent crime, whatever - I'd bet my last nickel Bond's won't have much to do with it if you've raised your kid with any kind of values at all. The dangers and influences are much closer to home. The kid with the locker next to your son's (or daughter's) is much more of a danger that Barry Bonds.

Bond's is no saint - few if any condone his steroid usage. You're putting on the same blinders MLB wore if you want to deny his unmistakeable talents. The vast majority of those talents did not come from a syringe.

WELL, Itsagreatgame wins the award for the most intelligent post on this thread. He may be the most intelligent poster to comment on this thread.

I hope they lock this thread, and feel free to remove this current post if they do. What Itsagreatgame has said is something that all of us should take heed of. The true dangers lie quite close to home, not as much from professional athletes.

Itsagreatgame, thank you for such a well thought out comment!

Its... many of us know about peer pressure.......we also know about the influences a Bonds, Canseco, etc...the "stars" of MLB can have on our sons......

As the parent of a baseball player, I think peer pressure and the bad boys of our sport can both present dangers to our kids....

I maintain the theory that kids are pressured more by their peers to do things that are not good for them as opposed to the public figure that is already somewhat disgraced because of his errors. Bonds won't hand your kid a syringe. Daryl Strawberry won't hand your son a crack pipe. Budweiser ads won't buy your kid a six pack. Bill Clinton won't introduce your kid to a Monica Lewinski (sp.?) As long as the opportunity presents itself and as long as a kid thinks he can get away with it and as long as the temptation is there and as long as he feels pressured and a need to be accepted poor choices will be made.

The people mentioned above all have had shortcomings of some magnitude or have otherwise been blamed for the demise of himself, his team, his country, teen drinking, whatever. They also all have some admirable traits that frankly, I hope my kids develope. I'm pretty certain that if they succumb to drugs, ***, liquor or performance enhancers they won't say "I did it 'cause I wanted to be like Barry/Bill/Daryl". Most likely they will say they wanted to take the fast track and the opportunity was there. It ultimately boils down to a need to be accepted. Only the venue changes.

Its.....if sports stars have minimal influence on our kids....then why is Nike paying them so much to wear their line? Why is Addias? Why are major corporations shelling out millions to have these guys promote their stuff.....Why?????

Of course MLB steroid users are not going to personally give my kid steroids......what they do give him.....is a good reason to try them.....they are a walking advertisement for what steroids can do for their game......make them bigger, make them stronger....make them great!!!

I'd rather battle the kid whose locker is across from my sons.....thank you.

(please forgive the bad spelling)

will everyone remember that all kids do not fall into peer pressure and know that steriods is wrong. the parents that dont believe your sons about if they take steroids yall should believe them if there is no physical sign of them taking steroids. and if they do get bigger gradually it could be them goin to the weight room. if you have not noticed im a young player. and my gather has asked me if i have taken steroids and i gave him the truthful answer NO. so remeber that there all good kids out there that know the difference between right and wrong. does any1 agree?

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i cant really say that i ahve heard of any1 talkinb about usin steroids at school. i have heard 1 or 2 cases of some1 taking creatince but that is not bad (if taking right and is natural.

Cub.....overlooking the spelling....because I'm not very good at it either...but Cub....you need to work on it....and that is meant with the best of intentions....I'm thinking you are going to be playing college ball someday....and those college professors can be sticklers for spelling and grammer....

Thanks also for addressing the fact that not all kids feel the need to be accepted...at the cost of doing something harmful to themselves....and...yes.....there are a lot of good kids out there.......and it sounds as if you are one of them.....you should be proud....as I'm sure your Dad is.....

Bonds took steroids. Steroids made him stronger. From my knowledge, steroids don't make your head grow like that - Human Growth Hormone does. HGH is not detectable by testing. It also gives you a lot more strength, faster recovery time, etc.
Steroids make your joints wear out faster (ask "Superstar Billy Graham") among all the other things. Maybe Bonds is done for already.
If Bonds surpasses Ruth and/or Aaron, there will always be a big asterik there for me and if he make the HOF - well he won't be there for me as well as all the other known cheaters and all this will be going towards those before 1970 so you are fairly sure they didn't use 'roids, etc. Just talk about all the old timers.
Don't want to hear about cleaning up the game. Sure there isn't another "clear" already out there. The East Bloc countries and Russia spent lots of research on beating the drug tests of the Olympics - do you really think that all the weight lifters on the Olympics are clean?? They have some who have been setting records for several years and then mess up and get caught. So they set records clean and then started cheating??
This is all a sore subject to me. I used to look at the lifters and bodybuilders when I was a teenager and thought I could look like them. I wish that someone had told me then what the truth was so I could have worked out differently (not so hard and often)and actually gained weight. The extra weight and strength would have helped me in HS sports.
Tim Robertson

Note that it's the Tiger Woods, the Michael Jordans and the Richard Pettys that are selling the products. The Mark McGwires, Raffi Palmeros and Mike Tysons are recognized as 'tainted'. The 'bad guys' don't sell. Advertising 101.

Look - I'm not saying sports figures, heros or superheros don't influence our kids. What I'm saying is kids that are taught any sense of traditional values won't try to emulate a fallen hero. They may still want to hit 70 homers a season like McGwire or 500 homers like Palmero but they probably have figured out that if they try to get there by making the same mistakes their heros did they won't be the guy in the McDonald's/Viagra/Everlast commercials. They are going to feel more pressure and more temptation from immediate sources.

LadyNMom / AzRed - wasn't attacking you. Just stating some truths that are hard for us to accept. It's much easier to blame our shortcomings on negative role models than to face the truth that it's our children that are making the mistakes.

Thanks. I'm done.

Its....thanks for the course in Marketing 101 and Child Raising 202....but I still stand by my oringinal postings.......I did not say Jordan or Woods are bad influences....I said that sports stars do influence.....don't twist....please.....also.....

.....never said you were attacking me ....where did you get that from??? Do we need to discuss Perceptive Posting 101? 'Cause I think I'm missing something......

You are.

LadyNmom - I absolutely mean no offense, but what's with the machine gun posting?


Rat-a-tat-tat....

DBAT...educate me please....what is a "machine gun posting"?

Is it offering a different opinion?

Is it being in disagreement with another poster?

Is it saying I think you are wrong?

Is it not letting Its have the final post? I've only responded to each of his posts...but should he have the last word? Is that it?

What have I posted that was different in style from any other poster on this thread?

If I change my name to CoachNdad...would that disqualify me as a "machine gun poster"...????

What is it? Please explain......

And....for someone who meant no offense....you sure went to great lenghts to illustrate your point....

Sheesh. Sorry I said anything.

I was merely.....referring.....to.....your.....interesting.....posting.....style.....

Well DBAT.....I'm going to take that as a compliment....when it comes to this issue...and excuses for steroid users....yeah.....I'm definitely on the offensive....thank you....appreciate you recognizing it.....also appreciate what you have constuctively contributed to the thread......sure some of the good old boys do too.....and you are not sorry for anything.....think your style of posting is bait.....and wait....right Coach?

Personally I feel that Bonds is a cheater. Period. He's embarassed himself and the game. His achievements, while impressive to say the least, are now forever tarnished. Would have been best for Bonds to have walked away after last season.

IMO, a cheater is a cheater is a cheater. Same goes for all the guys that have done it whether they've been outed yet or not. Just look at McGwire - once revered and now he's just a guy who achieved greatness but cheated to do it. A cheater.

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Well DBAT.....I'm going to take that as a compliment....when it comes to this issue...and excuses for steroid users....yeah.....I'm definitely on the offensive....thank you....appreciate you recognizing it.....also appreciate what you have constuctively contributed to the thread......sure some of the good old boys do too.....and you are not sorry for anything.....think your style of posting is bait.....and wait....right Coach?

Said I was sorry as comment was in jest. Had nothing to do with content - just style. The good old boys comment says a lot about you, though. Keep on gunnin'!

Players to reach the top of their sport and be recognized as one of histories greatest & Ambassadors of their sport. Whose the odd man out?

Barry Bonds
Michael Jordan
Lance Armstrong
Joe Montana
Willie Mays
Magic Johnson
Tiger Woods
Nolan Ryan
Hank Aaron
Wayne Gretsky

Yes, I'm forgetting many others but you get the drift. What else needs to be said about Steroid Barry.

DBAT....sorry if you took offense to my good old boy phrase.....but male posters on this thread....06CatcherDad...he had 5 postings....EH....7 postings.....yet you took offense only to mine....what is a girl to think? But tell you what....go back to my questions...and answer them.....and then.......well I will most definitely apologize....if you can come up with why my postings are different from.....say....EH....or Its......and I'm hoping your explanations/vocabulary can expand beyond rat-a-tat-tat.....come on DBAT.....give it a try.....there has to be a reason why you think my postings are different from theirs....let's hear it....please?