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Lots of unanswered questions, but it really is surprising to me how political this has gotten.  We know the background of these young men -- immigrated from Kyrgyzstan, have lived in the USA for many years and are naturalized citizens.  The younger, still living, was known as a very typical young man -- not known to be religious, friends say he barely had an accent, and didn't seem to have strong ties to his older brother either.  Seems that the older brother was a little more aloof.  

 

I doubt that them being Chechen has much to do with it, though there is some very unconfirmed evidence that they may have been "radicalized" religiously (yes, Islam) in the recent past.   The uncle, whose credibility is certainly up for debate, claims that there is very little those two could really know about their ethnic home in Chechnya since they have spent no time there.  

 

In terms of security, etc...there are two sides.  On one hand, I'm glad that they have to use these crude, homemade devices to do this kind of damage.  There's no way we can really prevent them getting the objects needed to make that bomb.  They didn't have guns nor sophisticated weaponry nor poisons nor anything else that could have made them more dangerous.  They didn't fly a plane into the marathon.  There were tons of roadblocks if their intent was maximum lethality.  

 

While there are roadblocks in their way to commit these acts, it's always possible that people can hurt other people.  The most sophisticated, most lethal methods and plans can be foiled or hampered -- that's great.  However, the reason these more crude type of acts aren't done more often speaks to the goodness of our people.  Any one of us could inflict mass harm, but we don't because we don't want to.  The people that want to do these things could very well be counted on one hand, and that is part of the reason these attacks are so rare.  Human goodness can prevail and usually does.

While these guys were jihadists they weren't bright ones. They got caught on cameras that they were unaware existed. Their faces were exposed to the cameras. They went back to their dorms and homes. They surfaced at a 7/11 and Shell station. They bragged to the person they carjacked who they were.

 

They had no escapes plan. They were so bad at escaping most of the intel was supplied by citizens. At 7:30 the governor announced they had no idea where the second guy was. Then a citizen notices blood on the side of his boat and the wrapping is ripped.

 

I could understand the relief of the people in Watertown knowing the person had been caught. But I didn't understand the big celebration in the streets. People were killed. Many others were maimed for life. More were traumatized. Jihadists were shown an easy way to shake up any American city. While I was relieved I didn't feel like celebrating. I had an experience Monday I never want to have again.

Looks like a 9/11 style attack Matt as I told you on the first day.

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/artic...aev-sleeper-cell.htm

 

I am so "happy" we have people like you working in our government lecturing us "non-professionals" about non-sequitors when the obvious is crytstal clear.  We have a problem here with radical Islam.  Worse, one of the brothers was questioned two years ago by the authorities and they had enough to deport him but they chose to let him stay.  That one is on Obama.

 

Lets see what we have here now....

 

We were told the underwear bomber was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.

We were told the Fort Hood guy was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.

 

We were lied to about Benghazi being a video and yet it was a cooridnated attack from Al Quaeda.

 

Obama said we were safe when he was elected because he was going to make nice with the Muslims - something he claimed the cowboy Bush could not do.  He takes all the credit for killing Bin Laden but of course Matt, none of these other things are his responsibility.

 

You keep looking for those right-wingers Matt in your "jurisdiction" while the rest of us are left at the mercy of psychotic, suicidal maniacs looking for rewards in heaven.

 

RJM - totatlly disagree with your previous sentiments.  This was not the work of the keystone cops.  These were suicicde bombers who had no intention of living after the attack.  The younger one may have decided to cling to his life but the intention before the attack was they would die.  72 promised virgins was too much of a reward.  I am not generalizeg here against all Muslims.  I am saying there is a problem within that religion and that is what a responsible government should be focused on.  Someone visits a radical Islamist website, they should automattically be on the government watch-list imho. 

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Looks like a 9/11 style attack Matt as I told you on the first day.
I suggest you reread what you said and what a "9/11 style attack" is. Two brothers working independently is a far cry from a years-long, coordinated plot. Hell, we don't know the motivation yet.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
I am so "happy" we have people like you working in our government lecturing us "non-professionals" about non-sequitors when the obvious is crytstal clear.
That you don't know what you are saying? Yep.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
We have a problem here with radical Islam.  Worse, one of the brothers was questioned two years ago by the authorities and they had enough to deport him but they chose to let him stay.  That one is on Obama.
Yes, he made that decision personally.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Lets see what we have here now....

We were told the underwear bomber was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.
We were told the Fort Hood guy was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.

Yet? There's no contradiction in those statements. Both parts are true.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
We were lied to about Benghazi being a video and yet it was a cooridnated attack from Al Quaeda.
Lied to? Not so much.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Obama said we were safe when he was elected because he was going to make nice with the Muslims - something he claimed the cowboy Bush could not do.  He takes all the credit for killing Bin Laden but of course Matt, none of these other things are his responsibility.
Your hatred for someone you don't know is indicative of mental illness.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
You keep looking for those right-wingers Matt in your "jurisdiction" while the rest of us are left at the mercy of psychotic, suicidal maniacs looking for rewards in heaven.
I look for what I need to look for.
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
I am not generalizeg here against all Muslims.  I am saying there is a problem within that religion and that is what a responsible government should be focused on.
Not generalizing? Liar. Read on:
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Someone visits a radical Islamist website, they should automattically be on the government watch-list imho.
Sorry. I support the Constitution. I'm sorry you don't. So what do you propose about the majority of terrorist attacks in the US, which are caused by those claiming Christianity?
Originally Posted by Matt13:
Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Looks like a 9/11 style attack Matt as I told you on the first day.


I suggest you reread what you said and what a "9/11 style attack" is. Two brothers working independently is a far cry from a years-long, coordinated plot. Hell, we don't know the motivation yet.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
I am so "happy" we have people like you working in our government lecturing us "non-professionals" about non-sequitors when the obvious is crytstal clear.
That you don't know what you are saying? Yep.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
We have a problem here with radical Islam.  Worse, one of the brothers was questioned two years ago by the authorities and they had enough to deport him but they chose to let him stay.  That one is on Obama.
Yes, he made that decision personally.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Lets see what we have here now....

We were told the underwear bomber was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.
We were told the Fort Hood guy was a lone wolf yet he was Islamic.


Yet? There's no contradiction in those statements. Both parts are true.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
We were lied to about Benghazi being a video and yet it was a cooridnated attack from Al Quaeda.


Lied to? Not so much.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Obama said we were safe when he was elected because he was going to make nice with the Muslims - something he claimed the cowboy Bush could not do.  He takes all the credit for killing Bin Laden but of course Matt, none of these other things are his responsibility.


Your hatred for someone you don't know is indicative of mental illness.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
You keep looking for those right-wingers Matt in your "jurisdiction" while the rest of us are left at the mercy of psychotic, suicidal maniacs looking for rewards in heaven.


I look for what I need to look for.

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
I am not generalizeg here against all Muslims.  I am saying there is a problem within that religion and that is what a responsible government should be focused on.


Not generalizing? Liar. Read on:

Originally Posted by ClevelandDad:
Someone visits a radical Islamist website, they should automattically be on the government watch-list imho.


Sorry. I support the Constitution. I'm sorry you don't. So what do you propose about the majority of terrorist attacks in the US, which are caused by those claiming Christianity?
Originally Posted by TPM:
What I and probably others do not agree with is how the conversation is going between the two of you.  This isn't the place for it and you know it.

I usually avoid the political stuff, but here are some facts about these guys not being suicide bombers.

  1. They built more bombs than they needed
  2. They didn't strap any of them on to their backs or fronts
  3. They remote detonated
  4. They ran away before the detonation

They were clearly not rocket scientists, but how many crazed psycopaths are? We can argue about why they stopped when they did... Was it because the civilized world was chasing them? Was it because they achieved their objective? Was it because they needed gas money and hijacked a car to rob a store? Was it because Bed Bath and Beyond ran out of pressure cookers?

 

Sad part is we may never know because it appears the survivor may not be able to speak again. It'll be interesting to see an interrogation where the feds have to encourage writing a confession versus forcing one out. 

 

The medis is reluctant to use the M word. They are now reporting the bombing was religion driven. Guess what religion these guys are. They have been tweeting and posting on Facebook pro Muslim, anti American rhetoric for weeks. The only question now is, "Is there a sleeper cell in Boston?"

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