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I 'm an amatuer coach, age 13-15 yr old players. I see some of the major league coaches give signals to catchers and all by touching parts of their face. Id like to learn a system or know what they do so I can give them to my catcher, who would then call the pitch. Where can I go to read or is there a DVD?
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Originally posted by d97c:
I 'm an amatuer coach, age 13-15 yr old players. I see some of the major league coaches give signals to catchers and all by touching parts of their face. Id like to learn a system or know what they do so I can give them to my catcher, who would then call the pitch. Where can I go to read or is there a DVD?


You can make it whatever you want....for example a very basic system could be: # of touches to my nose is the pitch I want (2 touches is 2 or curveball, etc) and you can switch the nose to cheeck to bill of hat to ears if you think they are picking up your signs....it can get more complicated than that in a hurry but for 13-15 i'd think that would work.
Welcome d97c to HSBBW!

You may want to check google and YouTube; there are several quick instructional videos that can help you with some of the basics.

Here is a link to YouTube

Calling pitches happen at all levels of the game as early as little league.

One thing to consider, giving signs from the dugout is one form of gaining an advantage of having additional information over the batter. It may be a combination the defense being positioned to defend against a certain situation, knowing what type of batter the pitcher is facing, throwing a certain type of pitch in a certain count, calling pitches base on what is working for the pitcher a specific day because it is working or not, etc.

As the players get older, some coaches actually have the catcher learn what is needed to call their game and they call the pitches, based on studying the opponent and knowing the situation, for the pitcher themselves. If you don't have the background or knowledge to call the pitches, would the catcher be more qualified to call their own game?

Good Luck, it is good that you are involved and helping the youths!
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when I was 13-15 we used two simple things one was holding baseballs (1 equals fast 2 equals curve 0 equals change) another was crossed arms or hat adjustment.

at one point we saw that the other team was trying to pick it up as they watched the cather look to the dugout, so we used the 2nd baseman as the relay. -pat the glove or touch hat it worked well becuase I didnt have to look and the other team didnt know when or if the pitch was being called.
I was not a big fan of coaches calling pitches when I was still coaching, but it is just a fact of life now.

Beyond the mechanics of calling the pitches, make sure that you use that as a teaching opportunity to let the catcher know the "why" of what your calling between innings, teach the infielders to make their adjustment based on the catcher's or coach's signals, the outfielders to look for their cues from the infielders, etc. It always is, but especially early in player development, teaching them the "why" of defense is extremely important and its good to get them thinking and talking baseball throughout the game.

Like HR04 said, it's a great thing your doing; be patient and I hope you enjoy it every step of the way!

OBC
While I agree that we need to teach pitchers / catchers to be able to call their own game you better have something in place to call a pitch if there is a situation where you do want to call one from the dugout.

I've used taking my right hand and giving false signals with my index finger to parts of my face while my left hand gave the signal

Hand on thigh - fastball
Hand on knee - curve
Hand between legs - change

I like the wristband system of calling pitches where you have three numbers that you call out and then the catcher finds them on the wrist band.

Our catcher never gave signs.  Our pitches were verbal.  4 numbers with one being pitch, one being location and 2 being decoys.  Changed which were which during the game.  Made the game go very quick and no work on the catcher.  I gave sign normally immediately after catcher caught pitch so the pitcher could work at his pace.  Never felt like anyone picked them up but a few tried. 

Typically 1&5 were FB, 2&6 were CB, 3&7 were Changeup, 4&8 were slider and 9 was FB,  If you mix your numbers up enough, it is hard to pick up but easy to understand. 

Ole Ball Coach posted:
I was not a big fan of coaches calling pitches when I was still coaching, but it is just a fact of life now.

Beyond the mechanics of calling the pitches, make sure that you use that as a teaching opportunity to let the catcher know the "why" of what your calling between innings, teach the infielders to make their adjustment based on the catcher's or coach's signals, the outfielders to look for their cues from the infielders, etc. It always is, but especially early in player development, teaching them the "why" of defense is extremely important and its good to get them thinking and talking baseball throughout the game.

Like HR04 said, it's a great thing your doing; be patient and I hope you enjoy it every step of the way!

OBC

I'm with you.

Only thing that I might like to call is a pick off, or pitchout, if I smell something about to happen. In general, I like the boys to call their own game.  The catcher has the best seat in the house for gauging the pitcher's stuff and making calls, IMO. If he can use a bit of coaching regarding strategy then you do it in between innings, at practice, or if there is an emergency at a mound meeting. 

 I used to love calling games as a catcher...to me, it's part of the position.

57special posted: I'm with you.

Only thing that I might like to call is a pick off, or pitchout, if I smell something about to happen. In general, I like the boys to call their own game.  The catcher has the best seat in the house for gauging the pitcher's stuff and making calls, IMO. If he can use a bit of coaching regarding strategy then you do it in between innings, at practice, or if there is an emergency at a mound meeting. 

 I used to love calling games as a catcher...to me, it's part of the position.

I’m with both of you. “Usually” in baseball, major changes in how the game is played are based on some kind of factual evidence. For example, the shift is employed more and more because it can be proved it works. But that’s not what happened with pitch calling moving from the catcher to the dugout.

As far as I know, there’s never been any kind of study done to use as a basis for calling pitches from the dugout. Instead, its assumed coaches calling pitches produce better results. But even if that were true, you’d think those brilliant coaches could teach catchers how to call pitches before they got to professional baseball.

Well, in the majors they probably have all sorts of equipment to view the pitches, and info to help them with their pitch selection, so I can sorta go with it. There is nothing happening in youth, HS, and some college besides some guy sitting on a bucket touching his body parts. I did coach with a guy who was a really good baseball man, and he called everything for 13yo's...he was right, most of the time about what to call, but most of the kids couldn't execute his calls anyway.

   I would also argue that calling your own pitches makes you a smarter player. My youngest(P) complained about some of the pitch calls the other day when he was on the mound .

  I said, "Did you shake him off?"

  Him, "No."

I simply held my hands up and shrugged.

  

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