So are we just naive and this goes on all the time everywhere... sort of like steroids a decade ago???
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I am sorry, but he kid is likely guilty, bottom line. I mean rumors like that dont just all of a sudden happen. Hate me if you want but if we all use our reasonable thinking caps you will all think the same thing you just may not say it.
We all have skeletons in our closet. As one who has no allegiance whatsoever to Auburn, you wonder why it comes up now? And the "reporter" who broke the story, I am sure that person has things to hide as well. I don't want to say the individual is into child **** but that's how rumors start and unfounded rumors go viral via the internet.
Is Newton guilty of something? Sure he is as are a significant number of other athletes, coaches and Athletic Directors.
Is Newton guilty of something? Sure he is as are a significant number of other athletes, coaches and Athletic Directors.
When is the correct time to expose corruption? If he is innocent, this will blow over no big deal. If not, and some of the recordings sure should like it's real, there's never a bad time to expose corruption.
Well, as someone that does have direct ties to Auburn as a former student/athlete, I obviously have some opinions about Cam.
Best $200,000 Auburn has ever spent.....absolutely. LOL.
Seriously, if Newton and Auburn did a money deal to get him to sign then we deserve everything the NCAA throws at us in spades. Period, no discussion or debate. The real problem seems to be that suspicion itself is enough for most even after the Bond/Rogers allegations have been shot to pieces as neither is saying the same thing and have backtracked on their statements. Bond has even stated Urban Meyer of UF pushed Mullen to speaking to the SEC/NCAA after Mullen himself said the whole Newton thing amounted to nothing.
What most here do not know is that Auburn was originally Newton's top choice coming out of HS but he went to Florida only after Auburn had committment/signed Kodi Burns ( pretty widely sought after recruit himself) for QB. Somehow everybody neglects to mention that even after Newton has said this often in interviews during the season.
As far as rumors not starting all of a sudden, welcome to SEC football and its weekly warfare. We live with new rumors weekly about each school except for Vandy because no one has the heart to pick on Vandy. In conference, everybody dislikes everybody else....actually in the case of the fans, hate is a better term. Only during bowl season is there any unity in the SEC....then we hate everybody playing a SEC team.
I've been to TX/OU, OSU/Mich, FLA/FSU/UM, O/OSU, GA/FLA and pretty much every big rivalry game in the country during my travels but nothing comes even close to what goes on in the state of Alabama during the week of the Iron Bowl. More wills are changed, divorces filed and felony arrests made during that week than the entire rest of the year combined....not really something to be proud of but it is what it is. It is always a game where it is smart to leave the women and children home as it is not a place for the weak of heart. This year will be worse or better than most depending on your point of view. If you study the history, politics and culture of Alabama, everything will make perfect sense as this game is truly "The Alabama Showdown" that will dictate alot of what else goes on the other 364 days of the year.
Like I said, if Auburn dealt under the table with Newton than I will be the first to hang my alma mater out to dry but until something is proven...WAR EAGLE/BEAT BAMA and TO H#LL WITH GEORGIA.
****Thought I ought to make my position clear about our next two games. And I really hope we get a shot at Florida in the SEC Championship as Mr. Newton might have something to prove to Urban.
Best $200,000 Auburn has ever spent.....absolutely. LOL.
Seriously, if Newton and Auburn did a money deal to get him to sign then we deserve everything the NCAA throws at us in spades. Period, no discussion or debate. The real problem seems to be that suspicion itself is enough for most even after the Bond/Rogers allegations have been shot to pieces as neither is saying the same thing and have backtracked on their statements. Bond has even stated Urban Meyer of UF pushed Mullen to speaking to the SEC/NCAA after Mullen himself said the whole Newton thing amounted to nothing.
What most here do not know is that Auburn was originally Newton's top choice coming out of HS but he went to Florida only after Auburn had committment/signed Kodi Burns ( pretty widely sought after recruit himself) for QB. Somehow everybody neglects to mention that even after Newton has said this often in interviews during the season.
As far as rumors not starting all of a sudden, welcome to SEC football and its weekly warfare. We live with new rumors weekly about each school except for Vandy because no one has the heart to pick on Vandy. In conference, everybody dislikes everybody else....actually in the case of the fans, hate is a better term. Only during bowl season is there any unity in the SEC....then we hate everybody playing a SEC team.
I've been to TX/OU, OSU/Mich, FLA/FSU/UM, O/OSU, GA/FLA and pretty much every big rivalry game in the country during my travels but nothing comes even close to what goes on in the state of Alabama during the week of the Iron Bowl. More wills are changed, divorces filed and felony arrests made during that week than the entire rest of the year combined....not really something to be proud of but it is what it is. It is always a game where it is smart to leave the women and children home as it is not a place for the weak of heart. This year will be worse or better than most depending on your point of view. If you study the history, politics and culture of Alabama, everything will make perfect sense as this game is truly "The Alabama Showdown" that will dictate alot of what else goes on the other 364 days of the year.
Like I said, if Auburn dealt under the table with Newton than I will be the first to hang my alma mater out to dry but until something is proven...WAR EAGLE/BEAT BAMA and TO H#LL WITH GEORGIA.
****Thought I ought to make my position clear about our next two games. And I really hope we get a shot at Florida in the SEC Championship as Mr. Newton might have something to prove to Urban.
If you like to read, pick up Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer. Great read about the Alabama football experience.
Somebody has to step forward with hard evidence that he did something criminal or outside NCAA boundaries. Until that happens, he should play. There is enough dislike & hate in the SEC that if there is evidence, it will come out. Roasting the young adult in the court of public opinion is not fair to him or his team.
By the way, which of the 3 or 4 allegations are we discussing? Cash for recruit, stolen laptops or academic violations? Give me facts and I will change my position quickly. So far nothing concrete on him, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt per our legal system. Innocent until proven guilty did not change because he is a young star athlete at a high profile school.
By the way, which of the 3 or 4 allegations are we discussing? Cash for recruit, stolen laptops or academic violations? Give me facts and I will change my position quickly. So far nothing concrete on him, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt per our legal system. Innocent until proven guilty did not change because he is a young star athlete at a high profile school.
According to my Auburn Alum friend, exactly what S Abrams said. :-)
To paraphrase a Tuscaloosa minister when he was told that "Football is a religion in this state" by Bill Curry's wife....."No mam, football is a whole lot more important than that".
Anyone that moves to Alabama will be asked one very simple question, but is the most important question he will ever be asked while living in Alabama as the answer will somewhat dictate their future.....
"Who do ya root for...Auburn or Alabama"?
A definitive answer must be given (simply saying you don't care either way won't work) or you will be hounded until you commit one way or the other. From that point you will be "one of us" or "one of them". This may sound silly to those from the North or West Coast (places where football is a pastime) but the root of the question goes much deeper than football; is about the history of political and economic power in the State of Alabama over the past 100+ years.
The Cam Newton situation will work itself out at the typical NCAA glacial speed (even with the hard evidence against Bush and his family it took years). Auburn will either be very proud to call Cam Newton "one of us" or we'll call him something entirely different and regret ever hearing his name while we serve what would be a very harsh (but deserved) NCAA probation. Auburn will come out smelling like a rose or like something you might occasionally step in...so far the Auburn admin. is handling the situation correctly.
To use a poker term....Auburn is "All in" at this point.
Anyone that moves to Alabama will be asked one very simple question, but is the most important question he will ever be asked while living in Alabama as the answer will somewhat dictate their future.....
"Who do ya root for...Auburn or Alabama"?
A definitive answer must be given (simply saying you don't care either way won't work) or you will be hounded until you commit one way or the other. From that point you will be "one of us" or "one of them". This may sound silly to those from the North or West Coast (places where football is a pastime) but the root of the question goes much deeper than football; is about the history of political and economic power in the State of Alabama over the past 100+ years.
The Cam Newton situation will work itself out at the typical NCAA glacial speed (even with the hard evidence against Bush and his family it took years). Auburn will either be very proud to call Cam Newton "one of us" or we'll call him something entirely different and regret ever hearing his name while we serve what would be a very harsh (but deserved) NCAA probation. Auburn will come out smelling like a rose or like something you might occasionally step in...so far the Auburn admin. is handling the situation correctly.
To use a poker term....Auburn is "All in" at this point.
quote:Originally posted by Proud Dad 24:
We all have skeletons in our closet. As one who has no allegiance whatsoever to Auburn, you wonder why it comes up now? And the "reporter" who broke the story, I am sure that person has things to hide as well. I don't want to say the individual is into child **** but that's how rumors start and unfounded rumors go viral via the internet.
Is Newton guilty of something? Sure he is as are a significant number of other athletes, coaches and Athletic Directors.
Clearly, these charges must be proven before we can convict this man ourselves. However, I thoroughly disagree with the above theory.
Just because "everyone else is doing it" does not make it excusable.
I know many current baseball recruits who are doing everything to the letter of the rule and will never be accused of these types of illegal activities. These boys should be celebrated as opposed to glossing over Newton's actions just because "we all have skeletons in our closet."
quote:Originally posted by S. Abrams:
To paraphrase a Tuscaloosa minister when he was told that "Football is a religion in this state" by Bill Curry's wife....."No mam, football is a whole lot more important than that".
Anyone that moves to Alabama will be asked one very simple question, but is the most important question he will ever be asked while living in Alabama as the answer will somewhat dictate their future.....
"Who do ya root for...Auburn or Alabama"?
A definitive answer must be given (simply saying you don't care either way won't work) or you will be hounded until you commit one way or the other. From that point you will be "one of us" or "one of them". This may sound silly to those from the North or West Coast (places where football is a pastime) but the root of the question goes much deeper than football; is about the history of political and economic power in the State of Alabama over the past 100+ years.
The Cam Newton situation will work itself out at the typical NCAA glacial speed (even with the hard evidence against Bush and his family it took years). Auburn will either be very proud to call Cam Newton "one of us" or we'll call him something entirely different and regret ever hearing his name while we serve what would be a very harsh (but deserved) NCAA probation. Auburn will come out smelling like a rose or like something you might occasionally step in...so far the Auburn admin. is handling the situation correctly.
To use a poker term....Auburn is "All in" at this point.
As an Alabamian, I'm proud to be among the War Eagle faithful.....want nothing more than this to be cleared up or punished.....
Both SI and HBO's Real Sports have recently featured this issue, not in the Newton context specifically.
Are we to think Reggie Bush is the only one?
I am not buying that!
Do I believe buying big time football and basketball recruits exists? Yes, I do.
While I have not seen it, ESPN's 30/30 has a program on this being done with Marcus DuPree many years back. The Real Sports interview is intriguing as is the SI article.
Do I have any facts to support that it happened at Auburn with Newton? Nope.
Do I think the NCAA wants to know the scope and extent of this issue? Nope.
Are we to think Reggie Bush is the only one?
I am not buying that!
Do I believe buying big time football and basketball recruits exists? Yes, I do.
While I have not seen it, ESPN's 30/30 has a program on this being done with Marcus DuPree many years back. The Real Sports interview is intriguing as is the SI article.
Do I have any facts to support that it happened at Auburn with Newton? Nope.
Do I think the NCAA wants to know the scope and extent of this issue? Nope.
The bottom line is there is way too much money in football.
America has become football, pretty women and whatever the media can make of it!
America has become football, pretty women and whatever the media can make of it!
I say follow the money. If Cam all of sudden starts driving a Hummer buys a new house etc, that money had to come from somewhere.
I put my money that some other Heisman candidate (one of their followers) is spreading rumors about Cam.
Cam has no way to defend himself against these rumors. I will stand with the student athlete until proof is shown.
Cam has no way to defend himself against these rumors. I will stand with the student athlete until proof is shown.
quote:Originally posted by ILVBB:
The bottom line is there is way too much money in football.
2009 Stats:
The average MLB player plays for nearly 6 seasons. The average salary is $3 million dollars. During the course of his career, the average professional baseball player will earn $18 million dollars.
The average NBA player plays for 5 seasons. The average player salary is $4 million dollars per year, providing average career earnings of $20 million.
The average NFL player plays only 3 years. The average player salary is $770,000 a year, bringing the average career earnings of an NFL player to $2,310,000 – 12% of the MLB player and 11% of an NBA player.
So what's your point? Cam's marking below average money at Auburn? 
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
So what's your point?
I was pointing out that football has far less money in it than either baseball or basketball, in response to the comment "far too much money in football", which was just one post further up the thread. and quoted in my post. Sorry if it wasn't more obvious.
Understood your comment...just making a sarcastic comment back on topic. 
quote:****Thought I ought to make my position clear about our next two games. And I really hope we get a shot at Florida in the SEC Championship as Mr. Newton might have something to prove to Urban.
Prove what, that he's not a thief? They should beat the Gators, but Newton was caught red-handed with a laptop stolen from a classmate and thrown off the Gator football team his freshman year.
He's a fabulous football player, who deserves the Heisman Trophy, but I don't want him living on my street. He might break in my house while I'm at work.
You can get you a pretty nice laptop for 180k.
This may sound like a truly dumb question but how does a player who had problems at UF get into Auburn?
Abrams... I love you reading your posts. Not only do they show great analysis but as is proven here they can also be very entertaining!
America has become football, pretty women and whatever the media can make of it!.... ILVBB please dont put pretty women in the company of these other two!
America has become football, pretty women and whatever the media can make of it!.... ILVBB please dont put pretty women in the company of these other two!
quote:Originally posted by Proud Dad 24:
We all have skeletons in our closet....
Exactly. However, every once in a while we make an effort to "clean that closet" but sooner or later it may get cluttered again.
These issues are much like the flu bug. This year its the Newton strain, and the media is the sneeze. Before you know it, every school, parent, and athlete is getting the flu shot hoping not to be infected. Awareness and prevention are the keys and when a new virus is detected Dr. NCAA quarantines those infected.
You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it
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The debate over how much off the field behavior should effect on the field opportutnity will continue, probably without resolution.
Added to that, forgiveness and second chances are a time honored American traditions.
I suppose everytime the issue comes up, where lines are drawn will be considered case by case.
Personally, I think Cam has come dangerously close to the line separating non-punished and punished offenses.
1. He has admitted to theft.
2. He was caught cheating (academics) multiple times at Florida.
3. Evidence is increasing that he, or at least his family, violated NCAA rules regarding solicitation of benefits.
4. If the testimony of friends and coaches who claim to have been present when solicitation of cash for enrollment were made are true, Auburn needs to suspend him and root out anyone dirty at the school before NCAA steps in,or the previous sanctions they received will be nothing compared to what's coming.
Just an opinion.
Added to that, forgiveness and second chances are a time honored American traditions.
I suppose everytime the issue comes up, where lines are drawn will be considered case by case.
Personally, I think Cam has come dangerously close to the line separating non-punished and punished offenses.
1. He has admitted to theft.
2. He was caught cheating (academics) multiple times at Florida.
3. Evidence is increasing that he, or at least his family, violated NCAA rules regarding solicitation of benefits.
4. If the testimony of friends and coaches who claim to have been present when solicitation of cash for enrollment were made are true, Auburn needs to suspend him and root out anyone dirty at the school before NCAA steps in,or the previous sanctions they received will be nothing compared to what's coming.
Just an opinion.
Let's see. Poor kid that has nothing much, gets 200K to play college football, then signs a 40 Million Dollar NFL Contract with no penalty other than "no Heisman for you". School left getting the punishment. Kid takes care of anyone who loses their job for paying him cause he's got mega bucks.
If he gets hurt in college, at least he got the 200K.
It's a no brainer for the player. How much money will the school make on the kid? Championship games, Jerseys, etc? Not ethical but dang sure hard to pass up being in his situation.
If he gets hurt in college, at least he got the 200K.
It's a no brainer for the player. How much money will the school make on the kid? Championship games, Jerseys, etc? Not ethical but dang sure hard to pass up being in his situation.
Can you hear all the other "high profile, high character" NCAA coaches commenting on this??? Neither can I.
The silence is deafening.
The silence is deafening.
Why doesn't the NCAA sue the player for damages in a case like this? I thought the NCAA should have sued Bush, if nothing more than to recover the investigation costs. I know a school would never do it. But if the NCAA did, then the the poor kid who has nothing to lose has a little more to think about.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
This may sound like a truly dumb question but how does a player who had problems at UF get into Auburn?
Go juco for a season and stay clean....running like a jet powered Peterbilt is helpful, as well.
quote:If he gets hurt in college, at least he got the 200K.
The "draft players" have insurance in place covering career ending injury, but $200K is $200K.
Moved to Al 23 years ago from South Florida, my point is I have no dog in the fight. Truth is, in this state, even after (or especially after) a national championship Bammers can't stand the thought of an Auburn nat. champ/Heisman winner doublewhammy and this is an intentionally timed smear campaign. Focus is now no longer on the team's success but on possible scandal. Mission accomplished.
PS. I know it started with Miss. State but in the SEC all 11 opponents are snakes that will conspire against you.
PS. I know it started with Miss. State but in the SEC all 11 opponents are snakes that will conspire against you.
quote:Truth is, in this state, even after (or especially after) a national championship Bammers can't stand the thought of an Auburn nat. champ/Heisman winner doublewhammy and this is an intentionally timed smear campaign. Focus is now no longer on the team's success but on possible scandal. Mission accomplished.
PS. I know it started with Miss. State but in the SEC all 11 opponents are snakes that will conspire against you.
So, Alabama did this to Auburn? If not directly, by ganging up with the other members of the SEC and MSU drew the "rat on them" straw? I don't buy it. Neither Newton nor Auburn are victims here. With that logic, Bernie Madoff was the victim because Harry Markopolos blew the whistle on Madoff. One word...silly.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
So, Alabama did this to Auburn? If not directly, by ganging up with the other members of the SEC and MSU drew the "rat on them" straw? I don't buy it. Neither Newton nor Auburn are victims here. With that logic, Bernie Madoff was the victim because Harry Markopolos blew the whistle on Madoff. One word...silly.
Agreed. Occam's Razor most likely applies.
One last word from an Auburn alum on why none of this stuff about Newton could possibly be true....
Do you know how many cows Auburn would have to sell just to come up with the $200,000? We'd have to become a liberal arts school and get rid of the comic books in the library. What was silly of Newton was to think Miss. State had anywhere close to enough cattle...must be why they were getting the discounted price.
****Thought the other SEC readers would understand. LOL
Do you know how many cows Auburn would have to sell just to come up with the $200,000? We'd have to become a liberal arts school and get rid of the comic books in the library. What was silly of Newton was to think Miss. State had anywhere close to enough cattle...must be why they were getting the discounted price.
****Thought the other SEC readers would understand. LOL
Cam Newton is the most dynamic player in college football. He threw for three touchdowns and rushed for another as the Tigers stage a historic rally to beat ‘Bama, 28-27. It was the largest comeback in school history.
No doubt, the guy delivers. WAR Eagle! GED10DaD
No doubt, the guy delivers. WAR Eagle! GED10DaD
Nationally ranked at #2, Auburn was actually the underdog going into the game with Alabama. It looked as if the analyst were "spot on" thinking they would lose, but Auburn and Cam Newton prevailed. Be nice to see another Heisman winner to come out of Auburn AND take home the national championship. They were 12-0 in '04 and were not selected to play in the National Championship.... Rip-Off!
Proud to be and Auburn Tiger!
Rest assured my son and daughter-in-law are both wearing their Auburn colors today! War Eagle!!!
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Proud to be and Auburn Tiger!
Rest assured my son and daughter-in-law are both wearing their Auburn colors today! War Eagle!!!
Fungo
War Eagle!!
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Added to that, forgiveness and second chances are a time honored American traditions.
It's our addiction to the "redemption" story. We disguise it as being a second-chance society, but the real motivation is hoping we'll get to see another Michael Vick plot unfold in front our eyes. Better than going to the movies...
quote:Be nice to see another Heisman winner to come out of Auburn AND take home the national championship.
Not so fast! The Ducks might have something to say about both of those things!
You're right on about the national championship. However I think the Heisman is Newton's if he remains clean of the allegations..... I watched the Ducks/ASU game last night. It would be a great matchup. With both teams being masters of the hurry-up offense, there would be a lot of football in that one game. If both get the nod, you can bet both will be practicing a hurry-up defense too.
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That game yesterday could easily have been something like 42-7 and over at halftime. Fumble through the end zone, dropped short TD pass, fumble caused and recovered by #90 inside the 10 yard line.
Cam Newton might win the Heisman, but the star of that come back was #90 and the defense. Bama 3 points after that early 24 point lead.
Cam Newton might win the Heisman, but the star of that come back was #90 and the defense. Bama 3 points after that early 24 point lead.
Saw a great poster yesterday:
"You couldn't pay me $180,000 to go to Miss State either"
Yea, Cam's 3 passing TDs and one rushing TD was easy against Alabama 
"You couldn't pay me $180,000 to go to Miss State either"
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Cam Newton might win the Heisman, but the star of that come back was #90 and the defense.
Yea, Cam's 3 passing TDs and one rushing TD was easy against Alabama
He is a great player and definitely deserves the Heisman for his on field performance, but Bama's QB was the star of this game in the first half. Newton and Pryor (OSU) are similiar players except I think Newton is the better passer.
Anyway I thought that play #90 made when Bama had a first and goal Sack/fumble and then fumble recovery was one of the best and most important defensive plays I saw this entire year. He should be the defensive player of the week IMO. Wish I could remember his name.
What an amazing year so far for Auburn. The AD is looking pretty good on this one. Took quite a chance hiring Chizik who had won 5 games in two years at IOWA STATE. I bet Auburn fans are much happier now than they were when Chizik was first hired.
Anyway I thought that play #90 made when Bama had a first and goal Sack/fumble and then fumble recovery was one of the best and most important defensive plays I saw this entire year. He should be the defensive player of the week IMO. Wish I could remember his name.
What an amazing year so far for Auburn. The AD is looking pretty good on this one. Took quite a chance hiring Chizik who had won 5 games in two years at IOWA STATE. I bet Auburn fans are much happier now than they were when Chizik was first hired.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Took quite a chance hiring Chizik who had won 5 games in two years at IOWA STATE. I bet Auburn fans are much happier now than they were when Chizik was first hired.
Who could ever amount to anything in Iowa?
Best QB in college football, in my view, plays in Palo Alto, hopefully for one more year.
He won't win the Heisman, but he may well be the #1 pick by the NFL. Something like a 3.5 GPA majoring in architecture.
His blocking back also is the middle linebacker,(on the field both ways close to 100 plays per game) and carries over a 3.5 in pre-med.
Interesting how the media, from the East and ESPN, drives many of our discussions of college athletics.
He won't win the Heisman, but he may well be the #1 pick by the NFL. Something like a 3.5 GPA majoring in architecture.
His blocking back also is the middle linebacker,(on the field both ways close to 100 plays per game) and carries over a 3.5 in pre-med.
Interesting how the media, from the East and ESPN, drives many of our discussions of college athletics.
quote:Who could ever amount to anything in Iowa?
Good point, but some have overcome.
Marv Levy
Bill Fitch
Dan Gable
Bob Feller
Herbert Hoover
Glenn Miller
Meredith Wilson
Grant Wood
Johnny Carson
Buffalo Bill Cody
Ann Landers
Harry Reasoner
Donna Reed
Billy Sunday
James Van Allen
Abigail Van Buren
Andy Williams
John Wayne
And well over 200 NFL players attended the U of Iowa.
I love watching Luck play the game. He is the total package. He might be the most ready to play in the NFL guy coming out of college I have seen in a long time , imo. Newton reminds me of Vince Young. A great great college qb. And probably a guy that can make a living at the position in the NFL. But Luck is in a class all by himself.
Based on history, a QB winning the Heisman is pretty much doomed in the NFL. Only a few in the past 50 years have become good/great NFL QBs. The number that just didn't pan out for one reason or another is amazing.
In many cases the best NFL QBs never got any Heisman votes.
I do think Luck is the #1 pro type QB amonst the well known guys. I think Newton might be better than Vince Young. Then again, I was the one that told Kurt Warner his best future was in baseball.
In many cases the best NFL QBs never got any Heisman votes.
I do think Luck is the #1 pro type QB amonst the well known guys. I think Newton might be better than Vince Young. Then again, I was the one that told Kurt Warner his best future was in baseball.
I agree. The spread option offense, and the QB's in college who are best at running it, doesn't translate well to the faster speed of the NFL.
Look at the best NFL QB's - they mostly came from college programs that had a pro-style offense.
The college game is a lot more exciting, in my opinion, but the fact seems to be that the NFL defenses are just way too quick and fast for the spread option to be a viable offense.
Maybe a Cam Newton type can transition to a pro offense, but many of these types have not.
Look at the best NFL QB's - they mostly came from college programs that had a pro-style offense.
The college game is a lot more exciting, in my opinion, but the fact seems to be that the NFL defenses are just way too quick and fast for the spread option to be a viable offense.
Maybe a Cam Newton type can transition to a pro offense, but many of these types have not.
This and that about Iowa...
Didn't know that about Bill Fitch but he is an outstanding coach and talent evaluator.
I thought Johnny Carson was from Nebraska?
I might also add Tim Dwight and Casey Blake to the list.
I am still not sure if anyone has ever "out-prodigeed" Bob Feller. I suppose the next time we see a 17 year old start in the big leagues...
Didn't know that about Bill Fitch but he is an outstanding coach and talent evaluator.
I thought Johnny Carson was from Nebraska?
I might also add Tim Dwight and Casey Blake to the list.
I am still not sure if anyone has ever "out-prodigeed" Bob Feller. I suppose the next time we see a 17 year old start in the big leagues...
Sorry to change the subject, but Jake Locker is not in the Heisman talk at all anymore, will he go play in the NFL, or will he take his $700,000 or whatever it was and go play in the Angels farm system?
Many former and current ML players from Iowa. The names of yesterday there PG, good list of names.quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:quote:Who could ever amount to anything in Iowa?
Good point, but some have overcome.
Marv Levy
Bill Fitch
Dan Gable
Bob Feller
Herbert Hoover
Glenn Miller
Meredith Wilson
Grant Wood
Johnny Carson
Buffalo Bill Cody
Ann Landers
Harry Reasoner
Donna Reed
Billy Sunday
James Van Allen
Abigail Van Buren
Andy Williams
John Wayne
And well over 200 NFL players attended the U of Iowa.
For hoops you could put in Fred Hoiberg and Korver.
BTW, Chizek was only at ISU for 2 years, a place that's not easy to recruit for compared to Auburn.
I'd love to see Stanford play Auburn! That would be a barn burner!
Maybe Harbaugh would look at Colorado? Hmmm...
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
I thought Johnny Carson was from Nebraska?
Born in Iowa...moved to Nebraska. He often said he considered Nebraska his home and referred to himself in his his early move to LA as "a kid from Nebraska
Both states claim him.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:quote:Who could ever amount to anything in Iowa?
Good point, but some have overcome.
Marv Levy
Bill Fitch
Dan Gable
Bob Feller
Herbert Hoover
Glenn Miller
Meredith Wilson
Grant Wood
Johnny Carson
Buffalo Bill Cody
Ann Landers
Harry Reasoner
Donna Reed
Billy Sunday
James Van Allen
Abigail Van Buren
Andy Williams
John Wayne
And well over 200 NFL players attended the U of Iowa.
And, The Best **** Sports Show's Tom Arnold,
Yea, But how many left Iowa to be successful?
Disclaimer: Born amd raised in Illinois.
Disclaimer: Born amd raised in Illinois.
Former Trojan QB Pat Haden and current USC AD, made a good point regarding this Cam Newton thing. The NCAA stated that there will be no repercussions to Cam Newton in this case, due to the fact that it was his father that initiated the situation(s). If this is true, isn't the NCAA a little two-faced? The Reggie Bush saga had his mom and dad right in the middle too, and at the time the NCAA's stance was that the parent/student relationship goes hand in hand...I don't condone what Reggie Bush and his family did, however, why is this being looked at differently than Cam Newton? Just thinking out-loud....
Well, the Bush thing was different. Money, or items of significant value, DID pass to someone associated with Bush. In Newton's case, there was proof there was an ASK for money but no proof money ever passed to anyone associated with Newton or Auburn.
Let's try and put this is a college baseball context.
The NCAA has concluded the Father attempted to negotiate a payment of up to $180,000 for Cam to play at MSU. MSU didn't pay.
I forget the Kentucky pitchers name, but he was a 1st rounder, Boras called the Blue Jays with the contract demand, the player didn't sign, the player didn't get one penny, and the player lost his collegiate eligibility.
What Cam's father did might be unlawful and an NCAA violation, but Cam is eligible.
What Boras did was lawful, was an NCAA violation but the player got penalized.
This is a slippery slope, very slippery for the NCAA.
The NCAA has concluded the Father attempted to negotiate a payment of up to $180,000 for Cam to play at MSU. MSU didn't pay.
I forget the Kentucky pitchers name, but he was a 1st rounder, Boras called the Blue Jays with the contract demand, the player didn't sign, the player didn't get one penny, and the player lost his collegiate eligibility.
What Cam's father did might be unlawful and an NCAA violation, but Cam is eligible.
What Boras did was lawful, was an NCAA violation but the player got penalized.
This is a slippery slope, very slippery for the NCAA.
Again, big difference. Boras was representing the pitcher WITH pitcher's consent and knowledge, whereas Cam was unaware of the efforts made by dad. Investigation isn't complete, but that is what the NCAA has to work on right now. I don't see how they could rule any differently with the info presently at hand.
Tx-Husker,
So it was more like ATTEMPTED murder, than murder, in this case. Well I guess that's ok then.
So it was more like ATTEMPTED murder, than murder, in this case. Well I guess that's ok then.
Was there an admission or finding by anyone that the player "knew" Boras called and made the demand on his behalf, or that the player consented to it?
I don't think so.
In fact Boras represented he did everything in accordance with the NCAA requirements.
What Boras did was lawful.
What Newton's father did was probably unlawful.
In the Boras situation, the NCAA demanded the player show up for an interview. When he did not, he was suspended.
If the NCAA interviewed Newton, it sure was quiet. Nothing I have seen says they did.
Yes, the investigation is ongoing.
I don't think so.
In fact Boras represented he did everything in accordance with the NCAA requirements.
What Boras did was lawful.
What Newton's father did was probably unlawful.
In the Boras situation, the NCAA demanded the player show up for an interview. When he did not, he was suspended.
If the NCAA interviewed Newton, it sure was quiet. Nothing I have seen says they did.
Yes, the investigation is ongoing.
I haven't checked the exact wording of the rule in question, but originally a spokesperson for NCAA stated that the rule applied equally to members of the family ,and that the student/ahtlete was held responsible for their actions in this matter as well as his own.
quote:So it was more like ATTEMPTED murder, than murder, in this case. Well I guess that's ok then.
I can see how you concluded that. You must be a Bama fan.
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:
I havne't checked the exact wording of the rule in question, but originally, a spokesperson for NCAA stated that the applied equally to memberss of the family and that the student/ahtlete was held responsible for their actions in this matter as well as his own.
That is my point of bringing this up today, and what Pat Haden's statement was reflecting. Why is this not applying equally to the Newton Family?
Tx-Husker,
Nope, totally neutral in this one. I'm a fan of a certain TX team that's having an err..shall we say slight off year.
Nope, totally neutral in this one. I'm a fan of a certain TX team that's having an err..shall we say slight off year.
quote:Nope, totally neutral in this one. I'm a fan of a certain TX team that's having an err..shall we say slight off year.
Couldn't happen to a nicer group of burnt orange people.
At some point they are going to have to change the name of the conference to the "Longhorn 10", right?
Ha Ha--Then there's that other team I was a fan of growing up--kind of in your neck of the woods there. You know kind of silver, blue and white--but mostly BLUE this year.
quote:Ha Ha--Then there's that other team I was a fan of growing up--kind of in your neck of the woods there. You know kind of silver, blue and white--but mostly BLUE this year.
Yes, a sorry bunch they are. But have no worry, "Red Jesus" is on the job now. They actually think they can beat Indy this weekend.
Perhaps I am a cynic but anyone else think that TCU being third in the BCS polls has something to do with Cam not being held responsible for the actions of his father? If Cam went to TCU, would this have been handled the same way?
From a totally BIASED point of view....
My understanding and all of the inconsistent statements made by MSU boosters/agents/fans or whatever is that Cecil Newton never actually solicited the money himself from MSU but rather the request came through Kenny Rogers, causing the NCAA and SEC a problem with exactly how to handle this. Do I believe Cecil Newton was up to something...yes I do but I also think he may have exploited a loophole as well as any lawyer could do. Is it all over...not by a long shot.
If I am correct, for somebody to act as an agent for a player, they must have written consent or oral consent from the actual player not the family. Rogers himself was not actually an agent but had ties to an agency in Chicago (I believe, may be wrong city). Rogers actual agent status presented another problem for the NCAA/SEC to figure out, along with the lack of a written agent contract.
Like I said, this thing is far from over. Wish it was but it would be foolish to think that.
Different from the Bush/USC case in that money and benefits were received as well as copies of Reggie Bush's signature on an agent's credit card receipts as evidence. Actually suprised it took so long for the NCAA to act given the evidence. USC denials didn't help the university.
Universities rarely win battles against the NCAA...a victory is simply breaking even. So far, I approve how Auburn/Chizik/Jacobs has handled this affair and cooperated with the NCAA. Most on this board don't know this but Auburn now has what is considered by many as one of the best compliance offices in the country (Heaven knows we need it).
All that being said...WAR EAGLE!!!!
S.Abrams
Class of '78
My understanding and all of the inconsistent statements made by MSU boosters/agents/fans or whatever is that Cecil Newton never actually solicited the money himself from MSU but rather the request came through Kenny Rogers, causing the NCAA and SEC a problem with exactly how to handle this. Do I believe Cecil Newton was up to something...yes I do but I also think he may have exploited a loophole as well as any lawyer could do. Is it all over...not by a long shot.
If I am correct, for somebody to act as an agent for a player, they must have written consent or oral consent from the actual player not the family. Rogers himself was not actually an agent but had ties to an agency in Chicago (I believe, may be wrong city). Rogers actual agent status presented another problem for the NCAA/SEC to figure out, along with the lack of a written agent contract.
Like I said, this thing is far from over. Wish it was but it would be foolish to think that.
Different from the Bush/USC case in that money and benefits were received as well as copies of Reggie Bush's signature on an agent's credit card receipts as evidence. Actually suprised it took so long for the NCAA to act given the evidence. USC denials didn't help the university.
Universities rarely win battles against the NCAA...a victory is simply breaking even. So far, I approve how Auburn/Chizik/Jacobs has handled this affair and cooperated with the NCAA. Most on this board don't know this but Auburn now has what is considered by many as one of the best compliance offices in the country (Heaven knows we need it).
All that being said...WAR EAGLE!!!!
S.Abrams
Class of '78
WAR EAGLE! I also believe Auburn/SEC/ and NCAA have handled the stuation correctly based on the situation as we presently know it. I think he learned some hard lessons at UF, and AU was a good choice for him. Look at past and current AU football players in the NFL. You don't read about them in the newspapers for the wrong reasons. Just possibly Cam thought it would be a great place to showcase his skills, with the super offensive supporting cast and coordinator he would have, and alomg the way he found a CAMILY.
One thing for sure, Auburn is just plain exciting to watch right now, and Cam Newton is flat out awesome. He has so much fun, you can't help but smile. When he put the cap on the ref and patted him on the back end I thought I would fall out laughing. I love what he brings to this game, and I sure hope the improper involvement stopped with Rogers and Cecil Newton. There is no doubt that we will find out if there is more to the story eventually.
WAR EAGLE! SEC CHAMPS! PLAYING FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Small Town Mom
Class of '79
One thing for sure, Auburn is just plain exciting to watch right now, and Cam Newton is flat out awesome. He has so much fun, you can't help but smile. When he put the cap on the ref and patted him on the back end I thought I would fall out laughing. I love what he brings to this game, and I sure hope the improper involvement stopped with Rogers and Cecil Newton. There is no doubt that we will find out if there is more to the story eventually.
WAR EAGLE! SEC CHAMPS! PLAYING FOR THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Small Town Mom
Class of '79
Cammo won the Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's top quarterback and the Maxwell Award as the best all-around player in the country. Next stop - New Yory City for the Heisman Trophy tonight. The real question is not if he'll win, but by how large a voting margin!
WAR Eagle!!! GED10DaD
WAR Eagle!!! GED10DaD
I think the real question is will he be returning it a year or so from now.
quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
I think the real question is will he be returning it a year or so from now.
Cam Newton's been cleared - no worries (sarcasim off).
It seems to be a large joke this thing called the NCAA. Andrew Oliver (a baseball player) merely had his attorney in the room on draft day and was sued by the NCAA and forced to miss out on the NCAA regionals.
It took them five years to figure out that Reggie Bush couldn't afford to drive around campus in an expensive car and live with his entire family in an expensive condominum. Of course, Pete Carroll never noticed any of that or was aware of any of that
I wonder how many test-takers are filling in for Cam at this very moment. Don't get me wrong, I think Cam Newton is a fabulous player but I am sick of the double standards.
I found this to be a more harsh viewpoint from where I sit on the NCAA, but he makes some interesting points about the NCAA, Cam and Cecil Newton. I think Cecil Newton has been identified as OOTD (igballs - One Of Those Dads)
Cam Newton Exposes NCAA
Cam Newton Exposes NCAA
quote:I wonder how many test-takers are filling in for Cam at this very moment. Don't get me wrong, I think Cam Newton is a fabulous player but I am sick of the double standards.
CD, I would be too, if indeed double standards come into play here. If evidence in the future reveals that Cam Newton violated NCAA rules then let the hammer fall. I have never felt the NCAA avoided punishing anyone that deserved it. If anything they are quick to pull the trigger. I don't know what Bush was driving but "Scootin' Newton" rides a scooter around campus ... as he did in FL.
Go Ducks!
quote:
2009 Stats:
The average MLB player plays for nearly 6 seasons. The average salary is $3 million dollars. During the course of his career, the average professional baseball player will earn $18 million dollars.
The average NBA player plays for 5 seasons. The average player salary is $4 million dollars per year, providing average career earnings of $20 million.
The average NFL player plays only 3 years. The average player salary is $770,000 a year, bringing the average career earnings of an NFL player to $2,310,000 – 12% of the MLB player and 11% of an NBA player.
The NFL salaries are low relative to the money the NFL makes is because the NFL players union sucks compared to MLB and even the NBA. It's the players fault for agreeing to the current salary strcture and hard caps and their union negotiators not playing hardball with the owners.
Even with the NFL salaries at the bottom, In all three examples, you can retire on those salaries and average years.
Most peeps will never make 2.3M in their lifetime.
How much more do these athletes need.
Congratulations to Cam Newton. Heisman Trophy winner.... by a landslide.
Per ESPN yesterday, Newton's Florida transgressions were he (1) stole a laptop, then threw it out a window when cops showed up, and (2) yanks a paper written by another student off a desk, changes it to his name, and turns it in as his own work?
Maybe he has since cleaned up his act, I sure hope so, but those are two pretty classless low life type acts.
He's a great athlete but the character part needed work 2 years ago..and it sounds like the ethics at the Newton home are somewhat fluid...
Maybe he has since cleaned up his act, I sure hope so, but those are two pretty classless low life type acts.
He's a great athlete but the character part needed work 2 years ago..and it sounds like the ethics at the Newton home are somewhat fluid...
Initial charges of theft differ from the final charges of possession of stolen property when Cam admitted he bought the laptop from the trunk of a car. He said he figured the laptop was hot when he bought it. The cheating incident is rumored and not substantiated by anyone including Urban Meyer or Florida. So, what really happened? I KNOW what really happened. Cam Newton won the Heisman Trophy, Auburn went undefeated and is ranked #1 in the nation.
Fungo
Fungo
He did indeed win the award and is a great football player, but it's no wonder Circuit City went under if college students are buying laptops out of trunks of cars. "He figured it was hot"? Duh.
Receiving stolen property is normally punished the same as though the "recipient" stole it.
It seems there is so much smoke surrounding this thing I suspect the committee will put a gps device on the trophy so they can find it when they eventually recall it.
Great athlete-no question.
Receiving stolen property is normally punished the same as though the "recipient" stole it.
It seems there is so much smoke surrounding this thing I suspect the committee will put a gps device on the trophy so they can find it when they eventually recall it.
Great athlete-no question.
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Wow! Cool GPS. Is that a TomTom©?
Naw...it's a CamCam©!
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Wow! Cool GPS. Is that a TomTom©?
Naw...it's a CamCam©!
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quote:Originally posted by infielddad:
Do I believe buying big time football and basketball recruits exists? Yes, I do.
Do I have any facts to support that it happened at Auburn with Newton? Nope.
Do I think the NCAA wants to know the scope and extent of this issue? Nope.
No doubt he won because he truely deserved to win for his talent. I think it's rather unfair to assume Auburn paid under the table for him to attend because his dad was willing to take money from another program. The Heisman Trophy is not about being the nicest or smartest college football player.
Regardless of the other stories and when he stole and cheated, people do turn their lives around and head in the right direction.
I don't know about anyone else, but IMO I witnessed a young man receive an award last night, no matter how grateful he appeared, he certainly did a poor job of expressing it. It was sort of like a whatever you beleive it doesn't matter this is how it is in your face attitude.
No doubt someday if there is a more to it than there is it will come out in the wash eventually.
After the presentation ESPN presented 30 for 30, pony expre$$, the story of the paying of recrutis that went to SMU and the death to the football program. It was so involved it included the Governor.
The last statement in the program was appropriate, there is soooo much money to be made in college football it can't be all legit.
Luck will no doubt be the first round pick and make millions upon millions being so, good for him, it's great to see an academic achiever with mega talent get rewarded for his efforts, that to me is what the NCAA should be all about.
I was kind of disappointed. My opinion of the NCAA and what they actually stand for has changed somewhat over the years, not sure why they go after some in some sports and not others as in football and when they do they drag their feet doing so.
quote:Originally posted by Fungo:
So, what really happened? I KNOW what really happened. Cam Newton won the Heisman Trophy, Auburn went undefeated and is ranked #1 in the nation.
Fungo
Fungo - with all due respect, the issue is not sour grapes over Auburn being ranked #1 or Cam winning the Heiseman - more power to them. For me, after Ohio State lost to Wisconsin, I could give a flying cr-ap who wins what.
off the cuff thoughts...
The thing that perturbs me is selective enforcement. They are out chasing mythical baseball demons when football and basketball cheating is 1,000 times worse.
I would encourage people to watch the 30/30 program on the SMU Mustangs that was ironically broadcast right after the Heisman presentation. Eric Dickerson and Craig James talked about it like it was a big joke how much money was thrown around college football back then and I suspect it is still being thrown around now. It only took the NCAA one off-season to come down on SMU and rightfully so I might add. My guess here is we have another USC situation. It will take them 5 years to determine, that Cam Newton ought to have his Heisman taken away.
Auburn kind of reminds me of the 1981 Clemson Tigers right now. They'll get their one national title but we might not hear from them for a long, long time - if ever again. Still waiting for Clemson to win their second one. IMHO, it is no accident Pete Carroll is in the NFL. I believe the posse was after him and the NFL provided a nice golden parachute. Similar to how Ron Meyer took the golden parachute with New England all those years ago when he abruptly left SMU. I am also beginning to wonder if Urban Meyer knows the club is going to come down on Florida as well - perhaps ironically related to none other than the "great" Cam Newton.
Facts:
1. Newton is great college football player.
2. NCAA did not enforce its rule to the letter of the rule as it did with Reggie Bush
Opinions.
1. Newton will demonstrate he has turned his life around and excel in pro football.
OR
2. Newton's character will remain suspect and, regardless of where his pro career begins, it will end in Oakland.
1. Newton is great college football player.
2. NCAA did not enforce its rule to the letter of the rule as it did with Reggie Bush
Opinions.
1. Newton will demonstrate he has turned his life around and excel in pro football.
OR
2. Newton's character will remain suspect and, regardless of where his pro career begins, it will end in Oakland.
There is no changing minds of people who have their minds made up, so even though there is no current evidence or money trail to tie Cam to accepting money, I will not go there. Or the fact he went to a JUCO to get a new start and possibly try to rehab his life.
I want to focus on a recent post topic. Can a player who has lost respect regain it? I will admit bias, but Cam has conducted himself with true class while at Auburn this season. His teammates love him. He is a leader on and off the field. Go to Auburn's website and read the Heisman article. I believe that not only has Auburn benefitted (obviously) from his play, but along the way Cam has possibly regained some character and values, possibly from the AU role models he is surrounded by. Maybe I just choose to see life this way, but I want him to do well and be a role model. Professional sports need excitement and fun, and he provides it. I know actions are greater than words, and only time will truly tell, but I amm hoping a few years from now we will see the Cam that I see now. I am glad I still believe that people can, and do change.
As Fungo has already stated, comparing Reggie Bush and Cam Newton is comparing apples to oranges. Bush obviously took money, and there was too much evidence along the way to prove this. Auburn had an undefeated 13-0 season as recently as 2004, has always been considered an SEC power, and has beaten Alabama 7 out of the last 9 years. That anyone could think they won't be heard of again within the next few years is stretching it.
WAR EAGLE!
I want to focus on a recent post topic. Can a player who has lost respect regain it? I will admit bias, but Cam has conducted himself with true class while at Auburn this season. His teammates love him. He is a leader on and off the field. Go to Auburn's website and read the Heisman article. I believe that not only has Auburn benefitted (obviously) from his play, but along the way Cam has possibly regained some character and values, possibly from the AU role models he is surrounded by. Maybe I just choose to see life this way, but I want him to do well and be a role model. Professional sports need excitement and fun, and he provides it. I know actions are greater than words, and only time will truly tell, but I amm hoping a few years from now we will see the Cam that I see now. I am glad I still believe that people can, and do change.
As Fungo has already stated, comparing Reggie Bush and Cam Newton is comparing apples to oranges. Bush obviously took money, and there was too much evidence along the way to prove this. Auburn had an undefeated 13-0 season as recently as 2004, has always been considered an SEC power, and has beaten Alabama 7 out of the last 9 years. That anyone could think they won't be heard of again within the next few years is stretching it.
WAR EAGLE!
When I posted "professional sports needs...", that is what I meant. I am assuming he will turn pro, and I know I would want to watch him on Sundays. Don't want anyone to think the word professional was a slip.
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- "...regardless of where his pro career begins,it will end in Oakland."
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quote:I want to focus on a recent post topic. Can a player who has lost respect regain it? I will admit bias, but Cam has conducted himself with true class while at Auburn this season. His teammates love him. He is a leader on and off the field. Go to Auburn's website and read the Heisman article. I believe that not only has Auburn benefitted (obviously) from his play, but along the way Cam has possibly regained some character and values, possibly from the AU role models he is surrounded by. Maybe I just choose to see life this way, but I want him to do well and be a role model. Professional sports need excitement and fun, and he provides it. I know actions are greater than words, and only time will truly tell, but I amm hoping a few years from now we will see the Cam that I see now. I am glad I still believe that people can, and do change.
I am not directing my anger at Cam Newton. My beef is with the NCAA. When they asked Cam last night how confident he was that he would be cleared he stated "Very confident." That was a lawyers answer. He could have said I am 100% confident because neither me nor anyone I am associated with did anything wrong. The real key here is where was Cecil Newton last night? The story the NCAA is going with right now is that Cecil Newton is a rogue parent. If you believe that (that Cam didn't know), then we are talking about way, way, more than apples and oranges. BTW, apparently $180,000 wasn't enough to entice him at Mississippi State so it seems we are talking apples to apples with Reggie Bush. The conclusion I have drawn is Auburn (their boosters) offered more. Otherwise, Cecil would have been there last night. Would you have been there if your son won the Heisman?
quote:Auburn kind of reminds me of the 1976 Clemson Tigers right now. They'll get their one national title ...
Hey! Not so fast!
quote:Originally posted by Rob Kremer:quote:Auburn kind of reminds me of the 1976 Clemson Tigers right now. They'll get their one national title ...
Hey! Not so fast!
Whoa yeah, leave poor Clemson out of this!
I got a feeling the competition is so great among SEC football anything is possible. I also feel that Meyer left for a reason other than family stuff. I also beleive that Saban also left LSU years ago until some things cooled down.
I don't blame it on the kids, I don't blame it on the coaches. There was a story about a shall remain nameless SEC school where the boosters came and picked the kids up and brought them to games and made phone calls. I think they got a slap on the wrist from the NCAA?
I got the date wrong on Clemson...
I am guessing that since the NCAA has already determined this is all on Cecil Newton, that Auburn will also be allowed to keep their title. Yes Rob, I see Auburn beating Oregon handily.
I am guessing that since the NCAA has already determined this is all on Cecil Newton, that Auburn will also be allowed to keep their title. Yes Rob, I see Auburn beating Oregon handily.
quote:In 1981, Danny Ford led Clemson to a 12-0 record and the national championship—the first national title in the school's 98-year history. They won the title by defeating Nebraska in the 1981 Orange Bowl--the third top-10 team upended by the Tigers that year (the others being defending national champion Georgia and North Carolina). As of the 2010 season, Ford is still the youngest coach to win a national championship (he had turned 34 only two months before the Orange Bowl). Just days after the 1982 season ended, however, the Tigers were found guilty of massive recruiting violations. While most of them occurred under Pell, the NCAA found they had continued under Ford. The Tigers were barred from bowl games in 1982 and 1983, and kicked off live television in 1983 and 1984. However, since no active players were involved in the violations, Clemson was allowed to keep its national title.
quote:Yes Rob, I see Auburn beating Oregon handily.
Really? I think it will be a competitive ball game. I don't think anyone will win easily. Auburn almost lost four games, so clearly they are beatable.
Cam Newton is an incredibly exciting player to watch. I don't think Oregon will be able to stop him, but they might be able to outscore him.
The SEC is obviously the best conference this year by a long shot, so Auburn has to be given its due for navigating that conference undefeated.
But Oregon is very SEC-like in its speed. So I think the Ducks will be able to contain the Auburn offense as much as any SEC team was able. Then the question becomes the Ducks offense. It can put points up fast.
I think this will be a great game.
I'll be cheering for Oregon. But, can you please ask them not to wear camo clown suits in the game? Tell Phil Knight to give it a rest.
quote:The SEC is obviously the best conference this year by a long shot
Football National Championships are always an area of contention as the NCAA doesn't recognized a football national champion. Auburn has been declared a national champion in football 5 times by various organizations but only claims the 1957 season. In '04 ESPN and others declared Auburn the national champions.
Since the BCS started here is how it stacks up:
Bowl Championship Series
SEC (6 - Tennessee, 1998; LSU, 2003, 2007; Florida, 2006, 2008; Alabama 2009)
Prior to the 1998 season, the Divsion I-A national championship was awarded, by the AP and various other polling organizations. The only thing any team "won" was a popularity contest. The big bowl games rarely pitted the best teams against each other, and in any event, until the 1970s, were played after the national championship was awarded. It was only with the establishment of the BCS that teams actually had to win the national championship, on the field. Since that time, SEC teams have won 6 national championships. No other conference has won more than 2 (Big 12, and ACC, if you include Miami's national championship in the ACC total, even though they were not part of the ACC at that time). The Big 10 and Pac 10 have one each (Ohio State and USC). The Big East has one, but only if you count Miami's national championship, since Miami was in the Big East at the time they won it. So:
If you go with conference affiliation at the time of the championship:
SEC (6)
Big 12 (2)
ACC (1)
Big 10 (1)
Big East (1)
Pac 10 (1)
All other Division I-A Conferences (0)
If you go with current conference affiliation:
SEC (6)
ACC (2)
Big 12 (2)
Big 10 (1)
Pac 10 (1)
Big East (0)
All other Division I-A Conferences (0)
quote:The SEC is obviously the best conference this year by a long shot, so Auburn has to be given its due for navigating that conference undefeated.
Given that I often sing the praises of the West at CWS time, I will certainly have to acknowledge that the SEC is king of the football world...recently for sure if not overall.
But I do think Oregon has a shot...a good shot at this title, this year.
There is an (outside) chance that the Pac-10 will finish 1-2 in the final rankings if Oregon wins, TCU loses and Stanford wins. All possible. Maybe in a strange way thats what I'll root for. (BTW, Va. Tech is where I spent my childhood and Stanford my adulthood...my father went to both schools (undergrad and grad))...so I'm very conflicted right now!
But in a 1-game situation...Auburn or Oregon?...I like Fungo and as far as I know RobKremer doesn't have firm ties to Oregon, so for now I'll root for Auburn.
I'll take a stab. I'll guess it will come down to which defense wears out the most.
Oregon wins by 6.
Oregon wins by 6.