I agree with much of what is being said regarding our changing society and the effect on young people - add to that the internet and easy access to some of the most disturbing images, ideas, thoughts, plans, etc out there and things get pretty scary. I also agree with those who shared their personal opinion that evil is a real force that exists in this world and many of the things that we expose ourselves and our children to make us easy targets to that very powerful force.
Having said that, I have to also add that I think that the one factor that continues to stand out in all these cases is the mental illness aspect. Most, if not all, of these cases involve perpetrators who had been or where being treated for mental problems. These are not normal people who become disturbed because of what they see or hear in the world around them - these are disturbed people who are pushed over the edge by the things that they see and hear in the world around them, COMBINED WITH the things they see and hear in their own heads. Mentally balanced people don't do the kinds of things these people do - in fact, most mentally ill people don't do the things these people do. Most people who feel about themselves (i.e., they want to die) the way he (apparently - judging by the outcome) felt about himself will kill only themselves... only a few decide to go out "in a blaze of glory". Why? Maybe some day we'll figure that one out.
As for the people who knew this man and say "there were no signs" I call bull----. There are ALWAYS signs. If you've ever dealt with mental illness of this degree in your own family (more than depression - not to discount the difficulty of that particular issue, but that tends to internalize more than externalize) you would know that, if you pay attention, there are ALWAYS signs. Unfortunately today we are so afraid of being un-PC that we don't dare say anything to anyone about the bizarre or outrageous behavior of the people around us. We also live in a world where we believe the mentally ill have rights, too - don't want to take your meds? This is America! That's your right! It can be very, very scary and frustrating to have a person like this in your own family and KNOW that things are going south... you worry about how they will act on their feelings - will they hurt themselves (again)? hurt someone else? And yet there's really nothing you can do. HIPAA laws prevent doctors or case workers from talking to family members without the patient's permission, and mentally ill people rarely make good decisions for themselves... no surprise, right? And yet we have a system that says they have the RIGHT to make those decisions for themselves. So as the family of an adult with mental illness, you can only sit back and wait... and pray.
In addition to mental issues, this man also apparently had a troubled home life - his family is reported to have had him committed to a mental facility at one point during high school or shortly thereafter and he also spent time in group homes and halfway houses. The people who knew him as a brilliant student and wonderful all-around guy obviously only knew one side of his story. Wait until we start to hear from his ex-girlfriend, or his roommate at U of I... I bet we'll hear about some signs then...
No real answers... I just don't think we can really control this problem by making it harder to get guns - they'll just make bombs or set fires or use machetes or you name it. People intent on killing other people will find a way to do it.
I add my prayers to those that have gone up before for the families of these young people who lost their lives on Feb 14, 2008 and for those who's lives were changed forever when they were injured in, or witnesses to, this tragic event.
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Great post, mythreesons.
Great post, mythreesons.
Right on, mythreesons.
And having just re-read LL's last post, let me just add one other thing... religious belief aside (and I suspect we would be more alike than different in that respect) pointing any fingers at public schools is simply unfair. How about the homeschooled teenager who murdered his girlfriend's parents so they could be together... should we blame that on the religious influences he received in his homeschool? Kids don't go to school and become evil or mentally ill, or even ill-behaved. They're already that way when they get there - schools just have to deal with the product that's delivered. Sometimes they can offer help, many times they can't.
I am a big supporter of a parent's right to homeschool, but the easy way in which we blame public schools for every single bad thing that happens in this country is just unfair. If parents sent well-balanced, well-nourished, undamaged kids to school every day ready to learn, schools wouldn't have these problems either. Sorry, just a pet-peeve of mine... and no, I'm not a school teacher. Just a parent who put five kids through the public school system and have seen with my own eyes that you only get out of it what you put into it. It starts and ends at home moms and dads.
I am a big supporter of a parent's right to homeschool, but the easy way in which we blame public schools for every single bad thing that happens in this country is just unfair. If parents sent well-balanced, well-nourished, undamaged kids to school every day ready to learn, schools wouldn't have these problems either. Sorry, just a pet-peeve of mine... and no, I'm not a school teacher. Just a parent who put five kids through the public school system and have seen with my own eyes that you only get out of it what you put into it. It starts and ends at home moms and dads.
Mythree sons I agree with what you said. Unfortunatley I believe in limiting some civil rights for the sake of society as long as there are strong checks and balances.
How many times have we heard of paroled offenders hwo go out and murder etc. There comes a point when the public good is paramout.
It is hard for most people to understand what they are dealing with when a person is mentally ill. We try to make sense out of things with our logic and it just doen't work
How many times have we heard of paroled offenders hwo go out and murder etc. There comes a point when the public good is paramout.
It is hard for most people to understand what they are dealing with when a person is mentally ill. We try to make sense out of things with our logic and it just doen't work
mythreesons said:
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Answer yes, if those teaching are rooted in hatred for others because they are not of our skin color, ethnicity, economics position in the community and the like.
You would be surprised of the homeschooling that goes on, that is not considered homeschooling because it wasn't applied for to the state, and yet it feeds the GARBAGE IN part of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) paradigm.
The public school reference is based upon which environment, IMO, is having more influence in the formation of how your children implement what is called critical thinking.
After having raised 4 children I came to the conclusion that no matter how much you present good and decent information and provide a decent environment for your children at home, the world where their peers have influence on them through pressure for conformity, weighs much heavier in their consideration of compliance then does your relationship. If that were not so they wouldn't be called rebellious teens.
Lets deal with reality here and not some fantasy world of idealic nonsense. If all your children are getting is garbage, ie, message of loose life style, philosophy of "if it feels good do it" not "do whats right or wrong" no matter what the teacher tells you as she shows you how to put a condom over a banana.
To my way of thinking, this kind of instruction with a minor is tantamount to contributing to the delinquency of a minor and should be prosecuted for children abuse and endangerment, etc. The mix messages that our kids are getting from the stupidity of good intentions without concern for moral consequences is killing the spiritual righteousness our children and making them hate themselves...and they then they want to kill you too for making them attend and learn all the garbage.
JMO
quote:should we blame that on the religious influences he received in his homeschool? Kids don't go to school and become evil or mentally ill, or even ill-behaved
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Answer yes, if those teaching are rooted in hatred for others because they are not of our skin color, ethnicity, economics position in the community and the like.
You would be surprised of the homeschooling that goes on, that is not considered homeschooling because it wasn't applied for to the state, and yet it feeds the GARBAGE IN part of GIGO (garbage in, garbage out) paradigm.
The public school reference is based upon which environment, IMO, is having more influence in the formation of how your children implement what is called critical thinking.
After having raised 4 children I came to the conclusion that no matter how much you present good and decent information and provide a decent environment for your children at home, the world where their peers have influence on them through pressure for conformity, weighs much heavier in their consideration of compliance then does your relationship. If that were not so they wouldn't be called rebellious teens.
Lets deal with reality here and not some fantasy world of idealic nonsense. If all your children are getting is garbage, ie, message of loose life style, philosophy of "if it feels good do it" not "do whats right or wrong" no matter what the teacher tells you as she shows you how to put a condom over a banana.
To my way of thinking, this kind of instruction with a minor is tantamount to contributing to the delinquency of a minor and should be prosecuted for children abuse and endangerment, etc. The mix messages that our kids are getting from the stupidity of good intentions without concern for moral consequences is killing the spiritual righteousness our children and making them hate themselves...and they then they want to kill you too for making them attend and learn all the garbage.
JMO
either you guy's are wicked smart or you all stayed at a holliday inn express last night. lol
seriously very good post's,and very accurate i think. the whole thing is just so sad.
seriously very good post's,and very accurate i think. the whole thing is just so sad.
I agree, 20dad---they are "wicked" smart....
LLorton, another great post.
LLorton, another great post.
Coach2709...Thanks for posting a little bit about each of the victims. It goes back to what I asked we do all along, and I wish I could have had the time in the last two days to put together that information. I personally am close to people who knew both Daniel and Julianna very well, and from what I've heard in talking to them is that these two were more than what the articles have given them credit for. I'm sure it's the same for the other victims.
ClevelandDad...you're right. We all need to make heroes out of ordinary people. I think someone like Julianna Gehant is that type of person, although she was actually extraordinary in the way she lived her life. First she gave years of her life to our country to preserve our freedom. Then she decided to go to school so she could teach elementary school to help educate the youth of our country. Other than using the aid from the military to pay for her education, I doubt she ever asked anyone for anything. Why isn't that the type of person our youth looks up to instead of some of the celebrities that have issues spread all over the news?
This doesn't need to be a topic about society or blaming anyone or anything for what happened. We need to recognize the people who've done well in life. That's where it starts, and that's where it should end. Treat others how you'd like to be treated.
In regards to our world, I'll leave you all with a saying from the church I attended while in college. Please think about what it means to you in your life, and put it into practice. It is something we all need to do no matter our religion, race, education, gender, or any thing else that ends up dividing us as people.
Love Wins.
ClevelandDad...you're right. We all need to make heroes out of ordinary people. I think someone like Julianna Gehant is that type of person, although she was actually extraordinary in the way she lived her life. First she gave years of her life to our country to preserve our freedom. Then she decided to go to school so she could teach elementary school to help educate the youth of our country. Other than using the aid from the military to pay for her education, I doubt she ever asked anyone for anything. Why isn't that the type of person our youth looks up to instead of some of the celebrities that have issues spread all over the news?
This doesn't need to be a topic about society or blaming anyone or anything for what happened. We need to recognize the people who've done well in life. That's where it starts, and that's where it should end. Treat others how you'd like to be treated.
In regards to our world, I'll leave you all with a saying from the church I attended while in college. Please think about what it means to you in your life, and put it into practice. It is something we all need to do no matter our religion, race, education, gender, or any thing else that ends up dividing us as people.
Love Wins.
LL, we'll just agree to hash that one out at another time (who has greater influence over a child - parent or school system). Reasonable people can certainly disagree.
I appreciate your thoughtful reply - it's caring parents like yourself who will raise up the generations of the future who will in turn find the solutions to the questions that plague us. "Raise up a child in the way he should go; when he is old he will not depart from it." I do believe that promise.
There are lessons in every life event - the joyful ones and the painful ones. We will learn from this and we will grow as a nation. This is yet another reminder that we have a long way to go.
God bless the NIU families as they move forward through the painful days ahead.
I appreciate your thoughtful reply - it's caring parents like yourself who will raise up the generations of the future who will in turn find the solutions to the questions that plague us. "Raise up a child in the way he should go; when he is old he will not depart from it." I do believe that promise.
There are lessons in every life event - the joyful ones and the painful ones. We will learn from this and we will grow as a nation. This is yet another reminder that we have a long way to go.
God bless the NIU families as they move forward through the painful days ahead.
There are all kinds of possibilities that could lead someone to murder people. On top of the things mentioned, society tells us that the keys to "success" are a good job, making money, good education, etc., and so when you go to college and you are failing that could result in someone thinking that they are a failure and see no future for them. Again, neglection, I hear a lot after events like this where the killer lived in a quiet neighbourhood, the neighbours on the News say "he was a quiet decent person who always kept to himself"....that's a problem! When you're by yourself a lot you can't build relationships with people and strengthen each other. In my sociology textbook they say that people in poor countries like India or Africa, where poverty is everywhere, people are actually happier than we are in North America, simply because in those poorer countries people are more collectivist; they are often around each other in groups and interacting with each other. Here in North America we are individualistic, we don't have the strong relationships that those poor countries do.
You could probably think of all kinds of other factors that could motivate someone to do the unthinkable. These factors can all be sociological, political, financial/economical, psychological, spiritual, and medical.
You could probably think of all kinds of other factors that could motivate someone to do the unthinkable. These factors can all be sociological, political, financial/economical, psychological, spiritual, and medical.
mythreesons, Teluog
I don't care if individually or in a collectivist setting you sing cumbaya until the cows come home. That is not the issue.
The issue is, what drives people to become so disassociative or inhumane in their thinking that they come to the conclusion that the only way they can achieve justice for themselves is to kill indiscriminately?
We like to say they are insane or mentally impaired in order to provide some kind of definition to their behavior. We categorize everything to deal with it. We do this over time and our lives in order place ourselves in a superior role to that condition of behavior in order to feel good about the fact that we are not them.
But believe me, we are not dealing with it at all.
We want what we want and it isn't about caring or correcting the rotting, and corrosive effects that immorality is having in the corruption of the humanity of an individual. The true sense of our selves knows that the choiices we are making, and those choices that are been made for us by our political leaders is turning and twisting this country into a festering cesspool of aberrancy.
We watch it on our TV screens everyday, and we just shake our heads, hold our children closer to us and hope that the crud doesn't touch them. But it does, because there's no way to avoid it...why? Because it is our own government that is sanctioning the mandate for immoral sexual instruction and planting the seeds in our daughters to abort their own children. You have no idea how corrosive this action is to the human spirit as the value of the indivdual is diminshed into a petrie dish to be used in scientific experiment for a chance at immortality.
These are mixed messages that being sent to our kids, on the one hand you say that this is a great country, then turn around and aren't willing to protect the weakest entity amoungst us. You say that we are a great and grand people but turn around and allow our governmen to implement the seeds of promiscuity and aberant behavior starting at elementary levels in our school systems.
As I write this it angers me just thinking about. I am confused by it, because I love this country with all my heart and I think it has been taking over by people with good intentiosn but with no sense of what grounds a human being by their own spirit to our own humanity and our responsiblity for protection of those who are the weakest in their souls, spirits, and who need our help the most.
JMO
I don't care if individually or in a collectivist setting you sing cumbaya until the cows come home. That is not the issue.
The issue is, what drives people to become so disassociative or inhumane in their thinking that they come to the conclusion that the only way they can achieve justice for themselves is to kill indiscriminately?
We like to say they are insane or mentally impaired in order to provide some kind of definition to their behavior. We categorize everything to deal with it. We do this over time and our lives in order place ourselves in a superior role to that condition of behavior in order to feel good about the fact that we are not them.
But believe me, we are not dealing with it at all.
We want what we want and it isn't about caring or correcting the rotting, and corrosive effects that immorality is having in the corruption of the humanity of an individual. The true sense of our selves knows that the choiices we are making, and those choices that are been made for us by our political leaders is turning and twisting this country into a festering cesspool of aberrancy.
We watch it on our TV screens everyday, and we just shake our heads, hold our children closer to us and hope that the crud doesn't touch them. But it does, because there's no way to avoid it...why? Because it is our own government that is sanctioning the mandate for immoral sexual instruction and planting the seeds in our daughters to abort their own children. You have no idea how corrosive this action is to the human spirit as the value of the indivdual is diminshed into a petrie dish to be used in scientific experiment for a chance at immortality.
These are mixed messages that being sent to our kids, on the one hand you say that this is a great country, then turn around and aren't willing to protect the weakest entity amoungst us. You say that we are a great and grand people but turn around and allow our governmen to implement the seeds of promiscuity and aberant behavior starting at elementary levels in our school systems.
As I write this it angers me just thinking about. I am confused by it, because I love this country with all my heart and I think it has been taking over by people with good intentiosn but with no sense of what grounds a human being by their own spirit to our own humanity and our responsiblity for protection of those who are the weakest in their souls, spirits, and who need our help the most.
JMO
I have not read so many fine words in a long time. More intellectual than anything I could right, but I have many of the same feelings on the subject.
As for schools, its the lost discipline that has really taken apart our young minds. And I don't mean physical discipline. Its life disciplines that are missing. How to act, how to behave, how to respond, how to resolve. We used to be much better at conflict resolution, and I said it here before. Guys took care of it between each other and then moved on. Bullies were usually confronted by a group of several guys.
Anyway, my simple question that many will disagree with is...
Why do these crazies with a chip on their shoulder and a gun under their coats, never go into a police station, a gun club, a hunting club or a redneck bar(or any bar) and threaten everyone with death or a shooting spree?
My answer is because they know they can go to schools and malls where there will be no confrontation and they will remain in control as long as they like. Its like, "I can go in here and shoot for an hour an get away with it because no one will confront me". JMHO. Whats yours on this matter?
As for schools, its the lost discipline that has really taken apart our young minds. And I don't mean physical discipline. Its life disciplines that are missing. How to act, how to behave, how to respond, how to resolve. We used to be much better at conflict resolution, and I said it here before. Guys took care of it between each other and then moved on. Bullies were usually confronted by a group of several guys.
Anyway, my simple question that many will disagree with is...
Why do these crazies with a chip on their shoulder and a gun under their coats, never go into a police station, a gun club, a hunting club or a redneck bar(or any bar) and threaten everyone with death or a shooting spree?
My answer is because they know they can go to schools and malls where there will be no confrontation and they will remain in control as long as they like. Its like, "I can go in here and shoot for an hour an get away with it because no one will confront me". JMHO. Whats yours on this matter?
quote:Originally posted by Coachric:
As for schools, its the lost discipline that has really taken apart our young minds. And I don't mean physical discipline. Its life disciplines that are missing. How to act, how to behave, how to respond, how to resolve.
It's because there is no respect and no shame anymore that allows there to be no discipline. Kids know that there are no consequences to what they do. Kids know that their parents will back THEM and not the teachers. "My child didn't do that" or "My child doesn't have to do (insert whatever task)". Maybe not everywhere, maybe not in every home nor in every school, but as a society. Little by little, it has disappeared ... so that we didn't notice it missing, until one day we realized that it was.
I sure wish that I knew what to do about it. But all I can do to fix the situation is to make sure that MY kids have limits, that they do what they are supposed to do and if they don't then they have appropriate consequences. And try to set a good example of living by The Golden Rule.
play baseball...
i agree with everything you've said, except I do believe there are far more kids who are taught right from wrong, who are taught limits, who are taught to be disciplined in their choices than it may appear. For whatever reason, we as a society have chosen to glorify the opposite. But again, my only point to LL (whom I may have mistakenly referred to as "reasonable") was that this is not a problem that starts when kids go to school... this is a home problem that becomes a problem for all of us when kids get to school. And I think you illustrated that when you referred to the lack of parental support for any kind of discipline that may be applied at school. Whatever happened to being even MORE afraid of what your parents would do to you once you got home?
As far as all that other stuff about *** ed and condoms and abortion and whatever else was thrown into that heap, if anyone really believes that seeing a condom applied to a banana leads to people wanting to shoot other people in a college auditorium... well, I'm not really sure what to say about that. Except maybe you've missed the recent reports that show that abstinence is being taught as the preferred method of protection against pregnancy and disease in 89% of American schools. I think someone needs to get out of San Francisco... it seems you may be stuck in the '80s.
To suggest that realizing that it's mental illness that drives people to commit horrible crimes (without apparent motive) is somehow sugarcoating the problem is just bizarre. If you've ever seen a mind in the grip of schizophrenia or mania or paranoid delusions, you wouldn't be thinking "I wonder how our society's acceptance of abortion led to this poor soul's mind being so messed up?". At least I hope not.
Excuse me now while I return to my campfire... I think my s'more is ready.
i agree with everything you've said, except I do believe there are far more kids who are taught right from wrong, who are taught limits, who are taught to be disciplined in their choices than it may appear. For whatever reason, we as a society have chosen to glorify the opposite. But again, my only point to LL (whom I may have mistakenly referred to as "reasonable") was that this is not a problem that starts when kids go to school... this is a home problem that becomes a problem for all of us when kids get to school. And I think you illustrated that when you referred to the lack of parental support for any kind of discipline that may be applied at school. Whatever happened to being even MORE afraid of what your parents would do to you once you got home?
As far as all that other stuff about *** ed and condoms and abortion and whatever else was thrown into that heap, if anyone really believes that seeing a condom applied to a banana leads to people wanting to shoot other people in a college auditorium... well, I'm not really sure what to say about that. Except maybe you've missed the recent reports that show that abstinence is being taught as the preferred method of protection against pregnancy and disease in 89% of American schools. I think someone needs to get out of San Francisco... it seems you may be stuck in the '80s.
To suggest that realizing that it's mental illness that drives people to commit horrible crimes (without apparent motive) is somehow sugarcoating the problem is just bizarre. If you've ever seen a mind in the grip of schizophrenia or mania or paranoid delusions, you wouldn't be thinking "I wonder how our society's acceptance of abortion led to this poor soul's mind being so messed up?". At least I hope not.
Excuse me now while I return to my campfire... I think my s'more is ready.
mythreesons said: But again, my only point to LL (whom I may have mistakenly referred to as "reasonable") was that this is not a problem that starts when kids go to school... this is a home problem that becomes a problem for all of us when kids get to school.
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No need to personalize your argument...attack the issue not the person.
Something is very wrong with what is happening in our schools. The shooters target is the perceived irritant of his sickness, and is where he developed his mindset, if it were not so he would have chosen another target of his scorn and hatred.
Our HOHUM is not an argument...it represents the status quo...why? because as in all momentus events in history the majority of people are comfortable before they realize the consequences of their HOHUM...as did the Jewish people before they were marched to the gas chambers as happened in a very enlightened Germany under the NAZI regime.
Only 20% of our own population was envolved in our own formation of our country during our countries revolutionary war against the British.
We are all being called to account by these indivduals who come into our schools and shoot up the children, teachers and administrators...yet our reaction is HOHUM.
These individuals are the fomentation of years of self-destructive instruction and environment of all the negative images of the existentialist philosophy that destroys all visages of hope for a better plight in their lives.
We can continue down this road and all we will acccomplish is waiting for the next one and having to listen to the next round of HOHUMS...and parents and families will continue to weep for their dead because of our HOHUMS.
JMO
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No need to personalize your argument...attack the issue not the person.
Something is very wrong with what is happening in our schools. The shooters target is the perceived irritant of his sickness, and is where he developed his mindset, if it were not so he would have chosen another target of his scorn and hatred.
Our HOHUM is not an argument...it represents the status quo...why? because as in all momentus events in history the majority of people are comfortable before they realize the consequences of their HOHUM...as did the Jewish people before they were marched to the gas chambers as happened in a very enlightened Germany under the NAZI regime.
Only 20% of our own population was envolved in our own formation of our country during our countries revolutionary war against the British.
We are all being called to account by these indivduals who come into our schools and shoot up the children, teachers and administrators...yet our reaction is HOHUM.
These individuals are the fomentation of years of self-destructive instruction and environment of all the negative images of the existentialist philosophy that destroys all visages of hope for a better plight in their lives.
We can continue down this road and all we will acccomplish is waiting for the next one and having to listen to the next round of HOHUMS...and parents and families will continue to weep for their dead because of our HOHUMS.
JMO
Wasn't personalizing LL, simply correcting an earlier comment.
So now you know why this guy did what he did? Why he chose NIU as his particular target? Why that classroom? Why those students? I don't think you have a clue. I think Coachric hit the nail right on the head - these people choose places where they are least likely to be stopped before their sick mission is accomplished.
And this doesn't only happen in schools - it's happened in homes, in churches, in shopping malls. Is there also something very wrong happening in our shopping malls? Our churches? The common thread in all of those is people, and where you have people you will always have people who have problems, whether they be physical, emotional, mental or spiritual.
Not one person on this thread has suggested doing nothing, and yet you imply that we have all taken an attitude of "oh, well" or as you say "ho-hum". Everyone who has a brain and a heart wants to stop these kinds of tragedies from happening ever again - the challenge is to figure out the very complex reasons why.
So now you know why this guy did what he did? Why he chose NIU as his particular target? Why that classroom? Why those students? I don't think you have a clue. I think Coachric hit the nail right on the head - these people choose places where they are least likely to be stopped before their sick mission is accomplished.
And this doesn't only happen in schools - it's happened in homes, in churches, in shopping malls. Is there also something very wrong happening in our shopping malls? Our churches? The common thread in all of those is people, and where you have people you will always have people who have problems, whether they be physical, emotional, mental or spiritual.
Not one person on this thread has suggested doing nothing, and yet you imply that we have all taken an attitude of "oh, well" or as you say "ho-hum". Everyone who has a brain and a heart wants to stop these kinds of tragedies from happening ever again - the challenge is to figure out the very complex reasons why.
My position from the beginning if I haven't made in absolutely clear is our need to face the truth of the polluted policies of those who are in control of what people are learning through the mediums I have discussed previously.
I am not in variance to your positions. I'm just more adamently incensed by what seems a lack of identifiable chagrin with the complete collapse of the lack of consideration of the moral consequences assigned to these circumstances. We are blinded by our own wishful thinking that we can continue to ignore the precepts well established as the cornerstone of our Judeo-Christian civilization and then wonder why these mass murderers continue to happen to us.
Until we take control of the schools and bring discipline, morality, and justice (punitive consequences) back into the learning process and get rid of existentialism as the basis for socia behavior andl consequence we will continue to see an increase in the incidence of these horrific events.
JMO
I am not in variance to your positions. I'm just more adamently incensed by what seems a lack of identifiable chagrin with the complete collapse of the lack of consideration of the moral consequences assigned to these circumstances. We are blinded by our own wishful thinking that we can continue to ignore the precepts well established as the cornerstone of our Judeo-Christian civilization and then wonder why these mass murderers continue to happen to us.
Until we take control of the schools and bring discipline, morality, and justice (punitive consequences) back into the learning process and get rid of existentialism as the basis for socia behavior andl consequence we will continue to see an increase in the incidence of these horrific events.
JMO
GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Possibly another school shooting was averted today at Fern Creek High School in Louisville Kentucky. A girl saw a person dressed in the typical shooter black trenchcoat and was acting like he had guns hidden in his coat.
She alerted school personnel and they locked the school down. Making sure just under 2000 kids (elementary school was on same campus and they were locked down too) were not in the hallways while police searched the school for the potential shooter.
Around noon the police said the school was safe and reopened it up. Several hours later they arrested some boys who are thought be the shooter. This kid used to be a student at Fern Creek and possibly had a problem with a current student. He has a criminal record.
Finally some good news and a heroic young girl MAYBE saved a lot of lives today,
Possibly another school shooting was averted today at Fern Creek High School in Louisville Kentucky. A girl saw a person dressed in the typical shooter black trenchcoat and was acting like he had guns hidden in his coat.
She alerted school personnel and they locked the school down. Making sure just under 2000 kids (elementary school was on same campus and they were locked down too) were not in the hallways while police searched the school for the potential shooter.
Around noon the police said the school was safe and reopened it up. Several hours later they arrested some boys who are thought be the shooter. This kid used to be a student at Fern Creek and possibly had a problem with a current student. He has a criminal record.
Finally some good news and a heroic young girl MAYBE saved a lot of lives today,