Again, Northern Illinois University.
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They just reported that 4 students died and 22 were shot. Unbelievable.
What on earth is wrong with us?????
My heart aches for all who are touched by another horrific and senseless act.
What on earth is wrong with us?????
My heart aches for all who are touched by another horrific and senseless act.
Why in the world are so many colleges having random mad men shoot up the schools?!?!?! Many of those crazies don't even go to school there! This is so horrible, what is going on that could make someone even think about doing such a thing?!?!?!?!
Now another student died---4 girls and 1 boy, including the teacher's assistant....The report is that 4 died at the scene, one in the hospital.
A nightmare.
May they rest in peace.
A nightmare.
May they rest in peace.
My prayers go out to the people and their families who were the victims in this senseless tragedy. Godspeed to the recovery of those who were injured and made it out without losing their lives.
Absolutely heart wrenching. My prayers for the students, families and friends.
It is so distreesing to me to try and get a a handle on this senseless killing that is happening in our country. what is going wrong with people to be killing other people like this .You send your child off to college and they get killed by some random person., I cant imagine the parents receiving those phone calls. I will lay in bed tonight and pray continuously for these families and hope we find some way to keep these young people safer .it just is breaking my heart to keep hearing this over and over.
Condolences to the families of the deceased. God bless those innocent young men and women whose lives were taken. Prayers and more prayer for those recovering and the students who witnessed this senseless, sickening act.
My son is a junior at NIU. I was fortunate to only have to wait about 15 terrifying minutes to hear he was safe.
I can't imagine the desperation of the thousands of friends and family who were wondering for hours if their loved ones were ok.
Can't begin to imagine the sorrow and anger felt by those whose loved ones were victims of this tragedy.
Why????
My son is a junior at NIU. I was fortunate to only have to wait about 15 terrifying minutes to hear he was safe.
I can't imagine the desperation of the thousands of friends and family who were wondering for hours if their loved ones were ok.
Can't begin to imagine the sorrow and anger felt by those whose loved ones were victims of this tragedy.
Why????
The tragedy of random violent deaths to young people shocks and saddens all of us.
During the early 1980s MADD took on their equally unacceptable issue, with significant success.
See the bottom of this link.
One statistic that also sticks out here is that states with the most severe restrictions of alcohol sales, demonstrate the lowest percentage of drunk driving fatalities. (UT, KY, ID) hmmmmm
Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait!
This is not a ban-all-handgun proposition!
No, America is not the most gun violent country in the world.
Yes, the vast majority of gun violence is done by convicted criminals.
I simply suggest must be legislative ways, somewhere this side of the second amendment, that can help reduce this increasing pattern of tragic, random multi-victim violence.
During the early 1980s MADD took on their equally unacceptable issue, with significant success.
See the bottom of this link.
One statistic that also sticks out here is that states with the most severe restrictions of alcohol sales, demonstrate the lowest percentage of drunk driving fatalities. (UT, KY, ID) hmmmmm
Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait! Wait ! Wait!
This is not a ban-all-handgun proposition!
No, America is not the most gun violent country in the world.
Yes, the vast majority of gun violence is done by convicted criminals.
I simply suggest must be legislative ways, somewhere this side of the second amendment, that can help reduce this increasing pattern of tragic, random multi-victim violence.
maybe we should make the swift kick in the backside by parents acceptable again?
prayers go out to those affected by this nightmare.
prayers go out to those affected by this nightmare.
Denis, I'm glad to hear your son is alright.
In all of this, I ask that we all do what we can to remember those who've died and those left behind. The media is going to pick the killer apart and say that something like his puppy being run over when he was 4 led him to do this, but those whose lives have been lost will be forgotten by the media. We here are not guilty of that, but we can not let that happen.
One of those killed was an alum of the high school I worked at last year. It is very hard for me personally to know that the kids and teachers that I worked with, spent a lot of time with, and care about are hurting right now. The head coach I worked under last year was not just connected to that young man, but also to the T.A., as she was also a former student of his and spent time in his classes when she was home while she was in the military.
My point being that what I've heard about both of these people over the last two days is simply amazing. Two of the most selfless people I've heard of. Please focus on how great of people they were and take that with us as we all move forward. We can't let the good that those lost did in their lives be forgotten. Even if the media is going to forget them, as a society we need to remember the good of those lost and do what we can to keep it going.
In all of this, I ask that we all do what we can to remember those who've died and those left behind. The media is going to pick the killer apart and say that something like his puppy being run over when he was 4 led him to do this, but those whose lives have been lost will be forgotten by the media. We here are not guilty of that, but we can not let that happen.
One of those killed was an alum of the high school I worked at last year. It is very hard for me personally to know that the kids and teachers that I worked with, spent a lot of time with, and care about are hurting right now. The head coach I worked under last year was not just connected to that young man, but also to the T.A., as she was also a former student of his and spent time in his classes when she was home while she was in the military.
My point being that what I've heard about both of these people over the last two days is simply amazing. Two of the most selfless people I've heard of. Please focus on how great of people they were and take that with us as we all move forward. We can't let the good that those lost did in their lives be forgotten. Even if the media is going to forget them, as a society we need to remember the good of those lost and do what we can to keep it going.
As a parent the thought never crossed my mind that I could be sending my son or daughter off to college and something like this could occur or anything to harm them for that matter. Too much bad stuff happening on college campus' these days, I always looked at college as the "safe place".
Just a sad world we live in.
Just a sad world we live in.
I just heard about this, how tragic! MY thoughts and prayers go out to the families.
Well said CC!
Well said CC!
This is a complex issue and there are no easy answers...but for goodness sake lets not blame an inanimate object like guns which in doing so absolves the individual of personal responsibility for their actions.
I believe we are beginning to see the confluence of a triad of contributing factors beginning with permissiveness where absolutes of moral right-and-wrong are viewed as "bigotry" against an individual for their behavior & lifestyle selection. Then the melding of imagery and music being promoted by Hollywood and the Music Industry, which has such great sway and influence over the morays of our young people and how they relate to adversity. Finally the gaming experiences that our son's and daughters are being provided as part of the culture that is desensitizing them to the interrelationship between humanity and spiritual piety.
I fear for the worse as we see that the incidence of destructiveness is increasing as we continue to allow our society to become more secularized in its approach to solving human aberant behavior.
One can only have empathy for the parents of the victims of this horrific event. But we cannot absove ourselves from sharing in the responsibility for the continual conditions we are allowing to fester in our schools as Liberal ideology is been taught at the expense of sound moral absolutes dealing with whats right and whats wrong.
JMO
I believe we are beginning to see the confluence of a triad of contributing factors beginning with permissiveness where absolutes of moral right-and-wrong are viewed as "bigotry" against an individual for their behavior & lifestyle selection. Then the melding of imagery and music being promoted by Hollywood and the Music Industry, which has such great sway and influence over the morays of our young people and how they relate to adversity. Finally the gaming experiences that our son's and daughters are being provided as part of the culture that is desensitizing them to the interrelationship between humanity and spiritual piety.
I fear for the worse as we see that the incidence of destructiveness is increasing as we continue to allow our society to become more secularized in its approach to solving human aberant behavior.
One can only have empathy for the parents of the victims of this horrific event. But we cannot absove ourselves from sharing in the responsibility for the continual conditions we are allowing to fester in our schools as Liberal ideology is been taught at the expense of sound moral absolutes dealing with whats right and whats wrong.
JMO
LLorton, that might be the most intelligent post I've seen on this site...non-baseball related.
I'm tired of hearing, "he was a nice quiet young man" and "we never saw any indication this would happen."
People need to start paying attention to what's going on with the loved ones in their lives and start drawing some lines.
I'm tired of hearing, "he was a nice quiet young man" and "we never saw any indication this would happen."
People need to start paying attention to what's going on with the loved ones in their lives and start drawing some lines.
The problem is that we are all born selfish. On top of that, because we are selfish, some parents don't give their kids positive attention and treat them like dirt, and don't provide for them a safe and emotional supportive environment. Bullies at school(and teachers and teachers/principals who don't try to stop the bullying) can also have the same effect. As a result you have some kid who goes out and about with no sense of meaning in purpose, who feels the world is against him/her, and they are correct to think this, cause most people are too selfish, especially in North America, and only look out for themselves.
Or parents will not give their kids much attention at all; neglection is just as painful as rejection. As a result, you have some kid going out and about with a big empty whole in his soul, who also feels rejected and that the world is against him/her.
Combine that with the fact that we were originally designed to serve each other with our hearts through our actions. So when your heart is full of bitterness and meaninglessness and hatred because of the way you were mistreated/untreated your whole life, OF COURSE you're going to go out and kill someone!...or beat your spouse/children, commit suicide, do tons of drugs. It's kind of hard not too when you have had so many burdens put on you and you can't deal with them all. We were neither born to be treated that way, made to treat that way, nor created to deal with the injustices that happen to us.
It's not like someone woke up one day and thought "what the heck, I'll just kill someone today." People have reasons for doing these things, and they usually stem from their development where they were not given the love and support that we were meant to receive. Here's a solution: Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour.
Or parents will not give their kids much attention at all; neglection is just as painful as rejection. As a result, you have some kid going out and about with a big empty whole in his soul, who also feels rejected and that the world is against him/her.
Combine that with the fact that we were originally designed to serve each other with our hearts through our actions. So when your heart is full of bitterness and meaninglessness and hatred because of the way you were mistreated/untreated your whole life, OF COURSE you're going to go out and kill someone!...or beat your spouse/children, commit suicide, do tons of drugs. It's kind of hard not too when you have had so many burdens put on you and you can't deal with them all. We were neither born to be treated that way, made to treat that way, nor created to deal with the injustices that happen to us.
It's not like someone woke up one day and thought "what the heck, I'll just kill someone today." People have reasons for doing these things, and they usually stem from their development where they were not given the love and support that we were meant to receive. Here's a solution: Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour.
gotwood4sale said: Location:San Francisco...wow!
Born and raised here and I believe I'm the last living Christian here. All others have succumbed to the hoard of flesh eating barbarians. LOL
JMO
Born and raised here and I believe I'm the last living Christian here. All others have succumbed to the hoard of flesh eating barbarians. LOL
JMO
Teluog: I have tears in my eyes as I read what you wrote. You are absolutely right--but I will say that neglect IS rejection. My heart is aching not only for the parents of the victims and the witnesses, but for ALL of us who have children in college---and in high school---and in junior high/middle school--and for all of us who know any children-----and for all of us who shop and go to the post office and to the courthouse. And who just happen to be driving down the wrong street at the wrong time or sitting on the wrong end of the couch inside your home when a shot will ring out. We aren't safe anywhere.
What LLorton said is brilliant.
I have a 12 year old daughter who just doesn't understand why we won't let her watch R rated movies at her friend's house (or ANYWHERE, for that matter)---because, after all, her friend is allowed to watch them.....She apparently likes "horror" movies...or her friend TELLS her that she will like them.....and her father and I tell her that there is enough "horror" in this world that she doesn't need to spend her precious free time watching manufactured horror. We've told her that life really isn't like the video games that one of her older brothers likes to play....the killing is for real. Not just to get to another level or to beat the game. Game over forever.
I don't know how to make my children understand that just because something is on tv, or you can buy something to listen to or pay money to watch on a movie screen, or play on a game system, and that everyone that you know is doing so, it doesn't mean that it is acceptable or appropriate or that you should. We do need to "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour." And pray like crazy.
What LLorton said is brilliant.
quote:I believe we are beginning to see the confluence of a triad of contributing factors beginning with permissiveness where absolutes of moral right-and-wrong are viewed as "bigotry" against an individual for their behavior & lifestyle selection. Then the melding of imagery and music being promoted by Hollywood and the Music Industry, which has such great sway and influence over the morays of our young people and how they relate to adversity. Finally the gaming experiences that our son's and daughters are being provided as part of the culture that is desensitizing them to the interrelationship between humanity and spiritual piety.
I have a 12 year old daughter who just doesn't understand why we won't let her watch R rated movies at her friend's house (or ANYWHERE, for that matter)---because, after all, her friend is allowed to watch them.....She apparently likes "horror" movies...or her friend TELLS her that she will like them.....and her father and I tell her that there is enough "horror" in this world that she doesn't need to spend her precious free time watching manufactured horror. We've told her that life really isn't like the video games that one of her older brothers likes to play....the killing is for real. Not just to get to another level or to beat the game. Game over forever.
I don't know how to make my children understand that just because something is on tv, or you can buy something to listen to or pay money to watch on a movie screen, or play on a game system, and that everyone that you know is doing so, it doesn't mean that it is acceptable or appropriate or that you should. We do need to "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour." And pray like crazy.
I am bummed......NIU is my alma mater.....I had many classes in Cole Hall, the location of the shooting...my prayers go out to all......it appears they learned lessons from VA Tech....1st officer on scene within 4 minutes.........not sure how much more could have been done on site...................
It makes you wonder if there was no media coverage of incidents like this if they would stop? I know this is never going to happen. It seems to me that alot of this stuff is done to gain attention. What would happen if that was taken away from these troubled folks?
You sit there and you wonder what in the world is going through someones mind to do something like this? I certainly dont know what the answer is all I know is it makes you sick to your stomach everytime it happens.
You sit there and you wonder what in the world is going through someones mind to do something like this? I certainly dont know what the answer is all I know is it makes you sick to your stomach everytime it happens.