Coach May, very good points and, again, demonstrates why I'd let my kid play for you. Yesterday, my daughter and I spent about 3 hours hitting. We are trying to fix some flaws in her swing. Now, she has done extremely well hitting. Her first question was "why?" I told her that her swing was fine for playing against kids her age but if she wants to play in hs, those kids are going to be older and that she would have to be able to generate more bat speed. She understood. What we teach is somewhat more radical than most posters. However, the benefits statistically of what we've (my teams over the years) achieved can't be disputed. Know what? If her coach in high school wants to change that swing, I have two options. Keep my mouth shut or remove her from the team. I'm reasonably sure she can still get opportunities to gain scholarships from summer play. As for the coach having to explain to me the whys, I just don't see that happening.
quote:WHAT I HAVE WONDERED THROUGHOUT THIS THREAD IS THAT IF THIS COACH IS SO POOR, WHY ARE YOU LETTING YOUR SON PLAY FOR HIM. JEAPORDIZE YOUR SON'S HEALTH? YOU'RE THE PARENT. MAKE A DECISION AND LET YOUR SON PLAY SUMMER BALL. EVERYONE IN THE END WILL BE HAPPIER.
CoachB25, that is a whole different thread. That gets into private schools, changing schools, school districts making sure that good and qualified coahces are hired, and why parents aren't free to choose a quality school if there school has a bad coach. Not to mention who gets to judge if a coach is good or bad.
Try any suggestions from a coach. If they work, great. If not, your son will revert back to what he already did.
Just a question.
How many HS or select coaches try to change a players mechanics if the player is successful already? My thought is that they would concentrate on guys that were having problems to begin with.
I'm not saying that suggestions should not be listened to, as "improvement" is directly related to accumulated knowledge. However, with the short seasons that coaches have to deal with, the time and effort should be spent on players that have major issues.
How many HS or select coaches try to change a players mechanics if the player is successful already? My thought is that they would concentrate on guys that were having problems to begin with.
I'm not saying that suggestions should not be listened to, as "improvement" is directly related to accumulated knowledge. However, with the short seasons that coaches have to deal with, the time and effort should be spent on players that have major issues.
Coach B25,
My son is 17 and a RHP/OF. He pitches at around 82-86. In the Spring of 06 he made the Varsity team, and he practiced with the team and did everything that he was supposed to, the coach didn't let him play because he had "favorites/school board member children" that played all games. He held his tongue and continued to do what he was told because he thought that things would improve. JV coach also went to bat for him and tried to get him playing time and also gave him someone to vent with. Varsity coach called him over one day and told him that he had gotten a call from a college recruiter but decided that my son was not one of the kids that he wanted to see recruited by colleges so he told him that my son had quit the team. My son was so mad that he did quit. He continues to play summer and fall ball but now I'm not sure where he can go from here. He will be visiting a couple of colleges that he just became interested in, but what does he tell them when baseball doesn't show up on his transcript for 11th grade.
My son is 17 and a RHP/OF. He pitches at around 82-86. In the Spring of 06 he made the Varsity team, and he practiced with the team and did everything that he was supposed to, the coach didn't let him play because he had "favorites/school board member children" that played all games. He held his tongue and continued to do what he was told because he thought that things would improve. JV coach also went to bat for him and tried to get him playing time and also gave him someone to vent with. Varsity coach called him over one day and told him that he had gotten a call from a college recruiter but decided that my son was not one of the kids that he wanted to see recruited by colleges so he told him that my son had quit the team. My son was so mad that he did quit. He continues to play summer and fall ball but now I'm not sure where he can go from here. He will be visiting a couple of colleges that he just became interested in, but what does he tell them when baseball doesn't show up on his transcript for 11th grade.
quote:Varsity coach called him over one day and told him that he had gotten a call from a college recruiter but decided that my son was not one of the kids that he wanted to see recruited by colleges so he told him that my son had quit the team.
Dalesgal3,
Is this what the coach told you
? After you knocked him down, did he get back up
Either there is a severe personal issue between you/son and the coach, you are not getting the complete story, or this is a web myth. I cannot imagine this happening. If this is all legit I would go directly to the AD and get it resolved and an apology form the coach.
Think about it, what coach in his right mind would not promote a player as it can only help his program and the rest of his players.
So you're a new member as of today? First post here huh? Maybe I'm wrong but IMO this wasn't even a good attempt
After further review I'm leaning heavily toward HSBBW myth by an existing poster who knows what buttons to push
this happened.
Pre season game> I am giving a new kid a look. Put him in the game. He balks twice. Trying to explain what he did(and he did balk) his answer was that his PRIVATE INSTRUCTOR taught him etc etc etc. I could have told him the right way for nothing.
Pre season game> I am giving a new kid a look. Put him in the game. He balks twice. Trying to explain what he did(and he did balk) his answer was that his PRIVATE INSTRUCTOR taught him etc etc etc. I could have told him the right way for nothing.
I have seldom noticed improvement in a player without some sort of change. There is always room for improvement - a tweak here or there can make a noticable difference - particularly in pitching and hitting. Every year our head coach holds a mandatory meeting of all player's parents. It is primarily for parents who are new to the program but we all attend. He lets them know that HE is the head of the program. He also advises them of what he expects from players both on and off the field. Players are not to look at or speak to any spectators during the game. If they are focused on things off the field then they are not focused on the game. A lot of these Freshman dads have a hard time learning that their sons are not listening to the coaching from the stands. If a player throws a bat, glove, etc. he is out of the game - the other teammates make sure that doesn't happen. A player never argues with an official (the coach likes to do that). He expects self control from the parents watching the game. Parents are welcome to visit with him about their own son - but never on game day and never using another player as an example of how their son is being treated unfairly. I don't agree with all he does and I know he does have favorites (human nature)- but I didn't choose coaching as my career and he did. Therefore, my son gives his all to the program with the goal of being a starter in this highly competitive district that we live in. We never miss a single pitch, even if he is on the bench. So...give the coach the respect that his position deserves. Tell your boy to listen. He might learn something new.
Last season a college coach came to a game and asked the HS coach if he could put a kid on the mound for an inning to see him. HS coach refuses...college coach comes to another game later in the season to see the same kid throw...once again he asks the HS coach if he could put the kid on the mound for an inning or so....Once again HS coach refuses...The kid was not in the regular rotation so the only way for the college coach to see him would have been out of the bullpen. Don't believe the college coach ever returned. To make matters worse the kid was a senior and really didn't have any other options.
As a parent of such kid what action, if any, would you have taken?
As a parent of such kid what action, if any, would you have taken?
dalesgal3, in your case, as a parent, I'd be in front of that school's AD and Principal in a heartbeat. I'd make them put that coach there or I'd be in front of the school board.
BigHit15, I understand. Seems that a few dozen players and their parents suffer the same in the Triad School District.
I don't believe that there will ever exist a coach that is everything to everyone and perfect. There will always be those that know more, have sons that have more talent, ... who are ruined by that "idiot coach." Then again, there still exist those that appreciate ...
BigHit15, I understand. Seems that a few dozen players and their parents suffer the same in the Triad School District.
I don't believe that there will ever exist a coach that is everything to everyone and perfect. There will always be those that know more, have sons that have more talent, ... who are ruined by that "idiot coach." Then again, there still exist those that appreciate ...
RZ1,
No, I'm not an old poster. I'm from upstate NY and I want my son to go to college and play baseball (his wish). Yes, I talked to the coach and the AD. The AD said that how the coach runs his program is his issue and the coach told me that my son was in his opinion not Varsity quality and that all the ones he had sit were there because they were Juniors. All 5 kids on the bench were starters on JV and Juniors.
No, I'm not an old poster. I'm from upstate NY and I want my son to go to college and play baseball (his wish). Yes, I talked to the coach and the AD. The AD said that how the coach runs his program is his issue and the coach told me that my son was in his opinion not Varsity quality and that all the ones he had sit were there because they were Juniors. All 5 kids on the bench were starters on JV and Juniors.
Last season a college coach came to a game and asked the HS coach if he could put a kid on the mound for an inning to see him.
Now that is a first.
Now that is a first.
quote:Your son, a 14YO freshman, now has his HS coach telling him to throw a slider. The only thing this HS coach knows about good pitching is he can't hit it. Heck, he just got stuck with the baseball program anyhow. He is a football coach. What is the course of action?
You're right - we have to err on the side of our kid's health and safety. Gotta protect him with the pitch count too. I did sit down with the coach one on one and chatted with him about pitch count, and what he threw. I considered it informational. I did not TELL him what to do - just let him know what he threw already and been coached to do. After that, the parent must step back and let the kid be an advocate for himself. A good coach is approachable.
NYDad,
First of all, in all due respect, most good college recruiting coaches call before games to make sure that he is able to see the player (if he is coming to watch that particular player) especially in a pitching situation.
I would feel that the HS coach deserves more respect from another coach coming to his field.
As a parent, my initial reaction would be that I would be upset. But being older and wiser now
, I can understand.
JMO.
Dalesgal3,
Never have heard such a story in all my years as a parent. Of course there are always firsts, but this sounds a bit too strange for me. I have to go with rz on this one.
In case you all did not read the original post, the player is 13, not in HS yet. If it were me, I wouldn't worry too much about saying no to anything until the player gets to HS, gets to know his coach and gets a spot on the team.
How does one decide so early how they are going to approach a situation, year or two before he reaches HS?
First of all, in all due respect, most good college recruiting coaches call before games to make sure that he is able to see the player (if he is coming to watch that particular player) especially in a pitching situation.
I would feel that the HS coach deserves more respect from another coach coming to his field.
As a parent, my initial reaction would be that I would be upset. But being older and wiser now
, I can understand.JMO.
Dalesgal3,
Never have heard such a story in all my years as a parent. Of course there are always firsts, but this sounds a bit too strange for me. I have to go with rz on this one.
In case you all did not read the original post, the player is 13, not in HS yet. If it were me, I wouldn't worry too much about saying no to anything until the player gets to HS, gets to know his coach and gets a spot on the team.
How does one decide so early how they are going to approach a situation, year or two before he reaches HS?
TPM, generally speaking, yes....however this was a local DIII school that is a stone's throw from the H.S. and the coach was looking for a lefty out of the bullpen...
BiggerPapi,
Goals are good - but I think talking about being the best player anywhere is a complete waste of time.
I think a better goal would be completely focused on the next game:
To hit the **** out of the ball - to run with purpose and passion - to catch the ball and throw it like a bullet - to support his teammates - and to never give up.
Those are good goals IMO - and if he does that every day - he may reach some loftier goals in the future as well.
Good luck.
Goals are good - but I think talking about being the best player anywhere is a complete waste of time.
I think a better goal would be completely focused on the next game:
To hit the **** out of the ball - to run with purpose and passion - to catch the ball and throw it like a bullet - to support his teammates - and to never give up.
Those are good goals IMO - and if he does that every day - he may reach some loftier goals in the future as well.
Good luck.
Even more great comments came through today...thank you all.
I like "itsinthegames" goals. Those are everyday goals that are certainly valid. However, my son's future goals are equally valid provided they are reachable.
And, to TigerPawMom, it may sound like we're starting a little early but High School is next year and we have the choice of two schools to attend. One with a coach we don't know and the other with a coach of questionable desire and ability.
Someone earlier mentioned "gossip" about these coaches and I agree we have to be careful listening to what other people think of these coaches. I'm sure the benchwarmers hate them and the stars love them.
Another thing is we look around and see other kids not working hard, parents not playng catch with them or pitching BP to them, kids more interested in playing video games than working on the off-speed pitch.
And we know our competition who lives in CA, TX, FL, etc is playing year round.
He wants to play ball in HS, in College and who knows where after that. And we're going to prepare as best we can starting right now.
I like "itsinthegames" goals. Those are everyday goals that are certainly valid. However, my son's future goals are equally valid provided they are reachable.
And, to TigerPawMom, it may sound like we're starting a little early but High School is next year and we have the choice of two schools to attend. One with a coach we don't know and the other with a coach of questionable desire and ability.
Someone earlier mentioned "gossip" about these coaches and I agree we have to be careful listening to what other people think of these coaches. I'm sure the benchwarmers hate them and the stars love them.
Another thing is we look around and see other kids not working hard, parents not playng catch with them or pitching BP to them, kids more interested in playing video games than working on the off-speed pitch.
And we know our competition who lives in CA, TX, FL, etc is playing year round.
He wants to play ball in HS, in College and who knows where after that. And we're going to prepare as best we can starting right now.
Here is some more advice - for what little it is worth.
When your son is at the plate - he is facing ONE pitcher - and ONE pitch at a time.
He isnt facing the entire state of CA,FL,TX or anywhere else for that matter.
He shouldnt care about the pitchers' state of residency - the latest article in some Baseball magazine - or anything else - other than the one pitch.
When all is said and done - the ONE pitch is all that matters.
If he hits the **** out of it - noone will be talking about the latest article, or the state of residency - or the high profile school the pitcher will be attending.
They will be too busy watching the ball bang against the fence and watching your kid fly around the bases.
Its in the game.
When your son is at the plate - he is facing ONE pitcher - and ONE pitch at a time.
He isnt facing the entire state of CA,FL,TX or anywhere else for that matter.
He shouldnt care about the pitchers' state of residency - the latest article in some Baseball magazine - or anything else - other than the one pitch.
When all is said and done - the ONE pitch is all that matters.
If he hits the **** out of it - noone will be talking about the latest article, or the state of residency - or the high profile school the pitcher will be attending.
They will be too busy watching the ball bang against the fence and watching your kid fly around the bases.
Its in the game.
Biggerpapai,
You came and asked a question. I think you have gotten a good variety of answers.
And you seem to have added more as to why you are asking this question.
JMO, I think there is nothing wrong with 13 year olds playing video games, there is nothing wrong with dads not playing catch with them or not spending everyday practicing BP or practicing off speed pitching. Are you suggesting those who do not do those things at 13 will not succeed later on?
I have a confession to make. Mine at 13 was off doing a variety of different things playing video games, golf, street hockey, basketball, volleyball, s****r (we said no to football) his life was NOT centered around bb at 13.
And FYI at almost 21, he still loves his video games!
Good luck to you and your son.
You came and asked a question. I think you have gotten a good variety of answers.
And you seem to have added more as to why you are asking this question.
JMO, I think there is nothing wrong with 13 year olds playing video games, there is nothing wrong with dads not playing catch with them or not spending everyday practicing BP or practicing off speed pitching. Are you suggesting those who do not do those things at 13 will not succeed later on?
I have a confession to make. Mine at 13 was off doing a variety of different things playing video games, golf, street hockey, basketball, volleyball, s****r (we said no to football) his life was NOT centered around bb at 13.
And FYI at almost 21, he still loves his video games!
Good luck to you and your son.
This is exactly the time you have to be the most careful with them. When they're in their growth spurt is when they are the most vulnerable to injury and trying to be the best by not playing video games and other sports is a good way to get injured.
Hard work is good, but you have to be careful that it is building and not tearing down.
Hard work is good, but you have to be careful that it is building and not tearing down.
I understand how hard this is to believe and I'm not asking you too. We can't change what was already done but we can minimize the damage. What I want to know is did he screw up his college chances or does he still have a chance to play ball and what does he tell them when they ask about his junior year?
dalesgal3
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Tom Rizzi
College Select Baseball
800-782-3672
TRhit@msn.com
dalesgal3,
Sorry if I was mistaken about your identity. However I still find this the most outlandish behavior a coach could have.
This response in reference to the previous quote is the second most outlandish statement I have ever heard by an adult who's job is to oversee the athletic lives of kids, and critique the the job of his coaches. Who runs this Peyton Place program? It looks like the coach is the least of the problems. The spineless AD is where the problem originates.
Think about it. A collecge recruiter calls a HS coach asking to come and watch a player and the coach says don't bother he quit, when in reality he really hadn't quit at all.
There are no other parents who have issues? If this is all above board and you don't have a lawyer hired and a meeting scheduled with the school board this week than you become the 3rd obstacal in your sons vision of fulfilling a dream. The coaches head would be on my plate and the AD would be dessert. This would not only be for my son but any other future player that has to crawl through this program and if you say that some of the players parents are on the board, big deal, that's what a lawyer is for. This is so weird.
Again sorry if I seem rather rude, but......In the mean time, contact TR.
quote:...my son was not one of the kids that he wanted to see recruited by colleges so he told him that my son had quit the team.
Sorry if I was mistaken about your identity. However I still find this the most outlandish behavior a coach could have.
quote:...The AD said that how the coach runs his program is his issue
This response in reference to the previous quote is the second most outlandish statement I have ever heard by an adult who's job is to oversee the athletic lives of kids, and critique the the job of his coaches. Who runs this Peyton Place program? It looks like the coach is the least of the problems. The spineless AD is where the problem originates.
Think about it. A collecge recruiter calls a HS coach asking to come and watch a player and the coach says don't bother he quit, when in reality he really hadn't quit at all.
There are no other parents who have issues? If this is all above board and you don't have a lawyer hired and a meeting scheduled with the school board this week than you become the 3rd obstacal in your sons vision of fulfilling a dream. The coaches head would be on my plate and the AD would be dessert. This would not only be for my son but any other future player that has to crawl through this program and if you say that some of the players parents are on the board, big deal, that's what a lawyer is for. This is so weird.
Again sorry if I seem rather rude, but......In the mean time, contact TR.
I was just curious what a lawyer would sue for ? Lack of playing time ? giving his opinion right or wrong ?
The AD should not interefer with the running of the team.
If you could prove that the coach said discouraging comments to the college coach then you can complain about that but he is giving his opinion and obviously your sons days of playing for that school is over.
Find a good rep team and get on with playing ball. You don't need HS ball to get a scholarship and I would cut them out of the recruiting process. My son didn't play his final year chosing to work and concentrate on Elite ball. The worst thing you can do is cut up the HS coach to a college recruiter. Be positive and hopefully you will have a better experience with the travel team or move to a different HS.
The AD should not interefer with the running of the team.
If you could prove that the coach said discouraging comments to the college coach then you can complain about that but he is giving his opinion and obviously your sons days of playing for that school is over.
Find a good rep team and get on with playing ball. You don't need HS ball to get a scholarship and I would cut them out of the recruiting process. My son didn't play his final year chosing to work and concentrate on Elite ball. The worst thing you can do is cut up the HS coach to a college recruiter. Be positive and hopefully you will have a better experience with the travel team or move to a different HS.
Rz1,
Thanks for your input. The coach was more interested in his job prospects, he was trying to become the AD at another nearby district (which he did). There were other parents and kids who talked to the coach and AD, I and the other parents were told that it would be looked into. My son unfortunately was the only one who quit, the other kids were willing to sit on the bench and hope for their day but they still showed him alot of respect. Each of the benchsitters on the final game was given one inning. My son decided to spend more time working in the gym and with the JV coach learning more about his pitching.
I am glad that this may not be the end of his scholarship chances. He's not even worried about scholarships he just wants to play ball and he also accepts that he may not play all the time but that he can do more than carry the other guys equipment.
Thanks for your input. The coach was more interested in his job prospects, he was trying to become the AD at another nearby district (which he did). There were other parents and kids who talked to the coach and AD, I and the other parents were told that it would be looked into. My son unfortunately was the only one who quit, the other kids were willing to sit on the bench and hope for their day but they still showed him alot of respect. Each of the benchsitters on the final game was given one inning. My son decided to spend more time working in the gym and with the JV coach learning more about his pitching.
I am glad that this may not be the end of his scholarship chances. He's not even worried about scholarships he just wants to play ball and he also accepts that he may not play all the time but that he can do more than carry the other guys equipment.
BHD,
He is not giving his opinion. A recruiter called and the coach said don't bother he quit the team. Stand up for whats right, he had no right to lie about the situation, the kid was still part of the team. The college recruiter can make his own determination whether or not the player is worthy. He must have gotten his information from someone to even call the coach, now all he knows is the kids a quitter.
Nothing was said about sueing anyone, just being represented by someone whos profession is to represent people in accusational situations. You say that you would sit back and take that mentality.
Whether you believe it or not the recruiting process starts at the HS level whether it be athletically or academically the HS is part of the equation and the coach will be asked of the athlete. He lied once, he'll do it again. Your son chose not to play HS and had a pre-planned opportunity to concentrate on elite ball, this kid had his possible future determined by a liar.
So in your mind it's ok for a coach to lie at the expense of a players dream and reputation and he, and only he, will determine who will and who will not be recruited? Read the story, this kid was one the coach did not want recruited. In the end it's not about one kid, its about the power trip this coach is on and how it affects any player in the program as long as he's there.
And yes it is the AD's job to oversee a program, what else is he there for? bottom line it is not the coaches program it's the schools program but this coach has annointed himself the grim reaper of all players futures.
Yes this players days are done at this HS, but, in my house any adult that lies about my kid will have to deal with me also. Maybe I should turn my cheek and walk away like you say...Not.
Because of the outragiousness, I still wonder if we are getting the whole story. Maybe the kid is not worthy to be looked at. My point now is IF this story is completely factual and the potential. Ask any of the coaches that post on this site if that coach was in the right and I'll bet to the man they would never lie about one of their players in order to turn away a recruiter.
He is not giving his opinion. A recruiter called and the coach said don't bother he quit the team. Stand up for whats right, he had no right to lie about the situation, the kid was still part of the team. The college recruiter can make his own determination whether or not the player is worthy. He must have gotten his information from someone to even call the coach, now all he knows is the kids a quitter.
Nothing was said about sueing anyone, just being represented by someone whos profession is to represent people in accusational situations. You say that you would sit back and take that mentality.
Whether you believe it or not the recruiting process starts at the HS level whether it be athletically or academically the HS is part of the equation and the coach will be asked of the athlete. He lied once, he'll do it again. Your son chose not to play HS and had a pre-planned opportunity to concentrate on elite ball, this kid had his possible future determined by a liar.
So in your mind it's ok for a coach to lie at the expense of a players dream and reputation and he, and only he, will determine who will and who will not be recruited? Read the story, this kid was one the coach did not want recruited. In the end it's not about one kid, its about the power trip this coach is on and how it affects any player in the program as long as he's there.
And yes it is the AD's job to oversee a program, what else is he there for? bottom line it is not the coaches program it's the schools program but this coach has annointed himself the grim reaper of all players futures.
Yes this players days are done at this HS, but, in my house any adult that lies about my kid will have to deal with me also. Maybe I should turn my cheek and walk away like you say...Not.
Because of the outragiousness, I still wonder if we are getting the whole story. Maybe the kid is not worthy to be looked at. My point now is IF this story is completely factual and the potential. Ask any of the coaches that post on this site if that coach was in the right and I'll bet to the man they would never lie about one of their players in order to turn away a recruiter.
quote:And yes it is the AD's job to oversee a program, what else is he there for?
Don't they just order busses and trophies?
The kid got a raw deal but being a dormat like Bobblehead suggests is not going to help him or anyone else at that school. Lawyers don't just file lawsuits. Professional advice and representation is nice to have when your rights have been violated. Unfortuneately, occasionally goverment officials will only do their job upon receipt of a letter from a lawyer.
Coaches are not really exposed to much in the way of lawsuits being successful. You do see suits filed by folks with various screws loose, and that causes a lot of stress and litigation expense. But you don't see the coaches actually losing player/parent disgruntlement cases.
You might see a real case if a coach committed an act of violence.
Knowingly making an untruthful statement in order to deprive someone of an opportunity, however, could -- and by rights ought to -- get you sued. But like others, I find this tale hard to believe. I suspect it's like a fish tale, just keeps getting bigger in the retelling.
You might see a real case if a coach committed an act of violence.
Knowingly making an untruthful statement in order to deprive someone of an opportunity, however, could -- and by rights ought to -- get you sued. But like others, I find this tale hard to believe. I suspect it's like a fish tale, just keeps getting bigger in the retelling.
quote:Originally posted by dalesgal3:
The coach was more interested in his job prospects, he was trying to become the AD at another nearby district (which he did). ...There were other parents and kids who talked to the coach and AD, I and the other parents were told that it would be looked into...My son decided to spend more time working in the gym and with the JV coach learning more about his pitching.
quote:Originally posted by Midlo DAd:
I suspect it's like a fish tale, just keeps getting bigger in the retelling.
I'm with Midlo dad here and think my chain has been yanked. Sorry BHD if I went off a bit personal in the last post as 3 hours meetings where I've been told to "go with the flow" can put me on edge.
Like I said, I'm not asking you to believe me just what does he tell the coaches that he is going to meet? Does he tell them why he quit or does he tell them personal reasons. The coach is a former alumni at this high school with friends in high places. This is also a very small town in upstate NY. I talked with a few people that were on the school board who told me that they would look into it but that I should understand that many kids and coaches don't get along and that parents should not get involved. Right now I'm not worried about the past I can't change that. I am worried about his future, this has been his dream and I hate to see it gone because of this coach. He is looking at SUNY IT, Castleton, Clarkson, Alfred State.
quote:The coach was more interested in his job prospects, he was trying to become the AD at another nearby district (which he did).
So now the coach is an AD in a different district and still the baseball coach at your school. That I thought would be be unheard of
Where does he get the time to order the busses and buy trophies ?
rz1,
Last time I went with the flow, I ended up waaaaayyy down stream.........
Last time I went with the flow, I ended up waaaaayyy down stream.........
quote:Right now I'm not worried about the past I can't change that. I am worried about his future, this has been his dream and I hate to see it gone because of this coach.
dalesgal,
I'm confused, with all due respect... You say your not worried about the past, your worried about the future because of what happened in the past.
There is no one person capable of ruining your son's future more than your son and his parents. IMO - He should pick up the pieces and go with a new plan. Find a new way for him to accomplish his goals.
Go to Pro Tryouts, get on another team, go to college camps, go to showcases, find supporters, do anything, but don't live in the past! We all get the short end of the stick once in awhile.
IMO - his first mistake was quitting, if I read that correctly, especially with no other plan. And it sounds like the JV coach works in a different world. This does sound like a mess if your stating everything correctly.
Here is an old saying your son should read...
Failure to prepare is preparing to fail! He needs to start preparing if baseball is really his dream.
Good luck
Dad04,
Thats why I think I have some Salmon in my blood as I always seem to be swimming upstream and getting eaten by something. But time after time I keep on doing it. I think it has to do with the FOFT (Father of Female Twins) mentality, A real sucker for punishment
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Thats why I think I have some Salmon in my blood as I always seem to be swimming upstream and getting eaten by something. But time after time I keep on doing it. I think it has to do with the FOFT (Father of Female Twins) mentality, A real sucker for punishment
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RZ1 no problem.
I just feel that getting into a confrontation, assuming this stuff is true is more harmful that going off on the coach.
I suspect there was some parental interference to get to the point he would say anything close to what we are told.
Being a negotiator I feel the situation has gotten out of control. I understand the lie but I don't understand why he would lie. Some where along the way something has happened to turn the coach against this kid. It is not right but the only objective at this point of the parent can be to get the coach in trouble with the AD. The AD does not interfer with the running of the team but does have a say in wrongful behaviour of the coaches. The problem is you have the word of a parent who is out to get the coach. This may make you very angry,me too but once a parent gets involved it becomes a slippery slope and you will lose. Some of the most successful coaches can be real jerks. If you can't resolve the issue in a friendly manor it is time to find a new avenue to get to where you want to go.I know how big HS is in the US but it is not the only way. The parent/player must be carefull not to say anything negative about his HS coach. The college guy might see the player as a troublemaker.
I have seen this situation many times. One guy who comes to mind was having a hard time finding an Elite team that would take him because he was a trouble maker. His dad was unbelievable. I felt sorry for him as he was very talented LHP. I talked to a couple coaches on his behalf and it was a No all around. I saw him last summer and he hadn't played ball in 2 years and was pushing dope.
Parents should stay out of the problem and teach the son to be a team player and respect the coach good or nad. When you get to the ball park the coach is the only one who is right.
I just feel that getting into a confrontation, assuming this stuff is true is more harmful that going off on the coach.
I suspect there was some parental interference to get to the point he would say anything close to what we are told.
Being a negotiator I feel the situation has gotten out of control. I understand the lie but I don't understand why he would lie. Some where along the way something has happened to turn the coach against this kid. It is not right but the only objective at this point of the parent can be to get the coach in trouble with the AD. The AD does not interfer with the running of the team but does have a say in wrongful behaviour of the coaches. The problem is you have the word of a parent who is out to get the coach. This may make you very angry,me too but once a parent gets involved it becomes a slippery slope and you will lose. Some of the most successful coaches can be real jerks. If you can't resolve the issue in a friendly manor it is time to find a new avenue to get to where you want to go.I know how big HS is in the US but it is not the only way. The parent/player must be carefull not to say anything negative about his HS coach. The college guy might see the player as a troublemaker.
I have seen this situation many times. One guy who comes to mind was having a hard time finding an Elite team that would take him because he was a trouble maker. His dad was unbelievable. I felt sorry for him as he was very talented LHP. I talked to a couple coaches on his behalf and it was a No all around. I saw him last summer and he hadn't played ball in 2 years and was pushing dope.
Parents should stay out of the problem and teach the son to be a team player and respect the coach good or nad. When you get to the ball park the coach is the only one who is right.
Rz1,
He is an AD in another district, right now we don't have a Varsity baseball coach. I only talked to the coach once and that was about a fundraising project he wanted done.
Thanks for your input though and I feel better that he may still have a chance with colleges. He would also never intentionally trash a coach to another one even if that coach made comments about him.
He is an AD in another district, right now we don't have a Varsity baseball coach. I only talked to the coach once and that was about a fundraising project he wanted done.
Thanks for your input though and I feel better that he may still have a chance with colleges. He would also never intentionally trash a coach to another one even if that coach made comments about him.
If the old coach has left, why doesn't he try out for the team again?
dalesgal3,
I can believe it. Honest coaches with integrity tend to have a hard time believing that one of their one would do such a thing.
However, coaches are human and they are just as capable of petty acts as the rest of us. There are always going to be individuals who, when presented with a set of facts that call into question their beliefs, react by entrenching themselves into their disproved mindset.
But that still doesn't completely explain the why of the matter does it? It could be something seemingly inocuous said to the coach but taken the wrong way, it could be that he felt your son was not college material and wanted the spotlight to shine elsewhere. It could be what I implied above. Success by your son would call into question his judgement.
And let's not pretend something similar doesn't happen at many schools. The coaches won't lie. However, they won't put in any effort to find colleges for kids who can legitimately play at some division of college.
I can believe it. Honest coaches with integrity tend to have a hard time believing that one of their one would do such a thing.
However, coaches are human and they are just as capable of petty acts as the rest of us. There are always going to be individuals who, when presented with a set of facts that call into question their beliefs, react by entrenching themselves into their disproved mindset.
But that still doesn't completely explain the why of the matter does it? It could be something seemingly inocuous said to the coach but taken the wrong way, it could be that he felt your son was not college material and wanted the spotlight to shine elsewhere. It could be what I implied above. Success by your son would call into question his judgement.
And let's not pretend something similar doesn't happen at many schools. The coaches won't lie. However, they won't put in any effort to find colleges for kids who can legitimately play at some division of college.
Redhead,
He will be trying out for the team in the Spring but is it too late for him to show colleges what he is capable of?
MadRussian,
Thank you. You summed it up.
He will be trying out for the team in the Spring but is it too late for him to show colleges what he is capable of?
MadRussian,
Thank you. You summed it up.
Ok, I read this over a number of times and think I got it. Even after thinking that this story had to be made up, you are a new poster sometimesit's hard to express oneself.
The player quit last year, the coach is no longer there, the player, like everyone else has to try out in the spring. Is that it?
Poster only wants to know what to tell college coaches if they ask why he didn't play last year. Did he play this past summer somewhere?
First of all, get son on a fall ball team, work hard in school and start the recruitiing process on own ...NOW. Go to showcases. Be proactive. It's NOT too late.
If a college coach asks why he didn't play last year, tell them the truth, whatever that may be!
Good luck.
By the way, I don't blame rz for being so angry, if it was mine, I would have gone after the coach and AD, for son and for all future players.
The player quit last year, the coach is no longer there, the player, like everyone else has to try out in the spring. Is that it?
Poster only wants to know what to tell college coaches if they ask why he didn't play last year. Did he play this past summer somewhere?
First of all, get son on a fall ball team, work hard in school and start the recruitiing process on own ...NOW. Go to showcases. Be proactive. It's NOT too late.
If a college coach asks why he didn't play last year, tell them the truth, whatever that may be!
Good luck.
By the way, I don't blame rz for being so angry, if it was mine, I would have gone after the coach and AD, for son and for all future players.